I have been following an ultra low carb diet for the past 10 months and am pretty well fat adapted. I try to be in a ketogenic state for as long as possible although I have only just started to measure this. After reading and listening to lot of Dr Jason Fung's work (which seems to me to make the most sense of all) I started fasting for extended periods.
From my diagnosis I gave up breakfast so immediately was fasting for 16-17 hours a day I then extended this to 40 hours then 3 days then 5 days and tonight will break my first 7 day fast.
Because my body is running on fat most of the time then I don't get any carb withdrawal symptoms so don't get the extremes of hunger. I have also started to have a pseudo bullet proof coffee everyday around lunchtime 11-1 pm 2 tablespoons of coconut oil in a latte made with cream and water with 3 coffee shots. This keeps you feeling satiated for a long time.
Who told you that we are not supposed to go without food except when sleeping? They were obviously incorrect in my case.
Umm . . . the liver is not heavy enough for 27% of the total weight lost during weeks on an 800 calorie diet to come from the liver. Much more likely that the liver loses 27% of its own weight (although I don't specifically recall that from my research).
Thanks for that Twin Cycles study - i just skim read it, and need to revisit it for a detailed reading.
I like Fung. His work bears out all my experiences, and I think he talks a great deal of sense - with just one niggle. So far, everything of his that i have seen/read implies that all T2s will benefit from Fasting. I just can't accept absolutes like that.
Anyway, i digress
You asked about how i think the vlc fit with fasting.
Fung says that you can probably get away with up to 500 cals a day, and count them as a fasting day.
More than that is not fasting, and counts as severe calorie restriction.
Well, as I said, I don't find absolutes very helpful.
I think that a petite framed woman may be very low calorieing on 500 cals, and a rugby player might be fasting on 800.
See what i mean?
My personal experience (i have severely dysfunctional hormones) is that a 330 cal per day Cambridge diet plan slowed my metabolism and it took years to get my basal metabolic rate back up. It still reduces as the drop of a hat.
So I am wary (understatement) of any generalised concepts.
Plus, of course, the importance of the macro nutrients in the food used to make up the 500 or 800 calories.
Fung uses fasting to reduce insulin resistence. So eating carbs will sabotage that effect even if those carbs stay under the 500 cal ceiling, while eating fats will encourage ketosis...
So, after all that waffling prevarication, all i can really state is that, at the moment, i combine intermittent fasting with VERY low carbing, in an attempt to lower insulin resistance. Weight loss is a nice side effect, reversal not even a dream, but my blood glucose and insulin resistance are very pleasing.
how many carbs do you eat every day ?I have a managed to or did manage to control my T2 by diet .I was diagnosed three years back pre diabetic .
So I did every thing to fix it .And and eventually got my three month reading down too 4.7 .But I ended up walking a round like a skeleton .Now I am back to my normal weight after stopping smoking. My three month readings now are 5.3 for the last two quarters .Diet controlled .Tell me you guys am I wasting my time. I power walk half hour a day don't scoff lollys or sweets .No white breads and eat that many greens I look like a cabbage .WHATS NEXT??????
@britishpub could you fill us in on your height too? Thanks.,.
Was all fine so far.. didn't collapse broke fast with a chicken tikka, mushroom bahji and spinach with minced lamb combo from our local takeaway. I'll keep tomorrow mornings results a secret I think...Wow - good luck! Let us know how you get on.
Why ?
What has that got to do with anything at all, least of all my BG levels ?
Was all fine so far.. didn't collapse broke fast with a chicken tikka, mushroom bahji and spinach with minced lamb combo from our local takeaway. I'll keep tomorrow mornings results a secret I think...
Are you taking any meds that might impact on how your BGs behave?I gave up fasting after 68 hours when I felt very weird with what seems like a hypo. My bg reading at the time was 4.65 mmol/L or 83mg/dl and I've tested this morning for FBG of 6.3 mmol/L or 114mg/dl . So back to the program. I had read Richard Doughty's account of his Newcastle diet https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/may/12/type-2-diabetes-diet-cure and I'd had beaten his lowest FBG with my 3.7mmol/L . So its start all over with fasting again today..
Are you taking any meds that might impact on how your BGs behave?
@Bebo321
Nope. I think that cycling 100+ miles / week is way better than drugs + what drugs do is lower sugar levels. What I am suffering from is insulin resistance, not high sugars disease. High sugars are a symptom and not the disease. Its important to remember that. I hope that makes sense.. When drug companies start making a drug to remove insulin resistance then we'll all be fixed. In the mean time we may (or may not) be debt slaves to doctors and big pharma.
One more thing if I am fasting what spikes in sugar levels am I meant to be lowering as I am not eating real food. Just broths and coffee and Bovril drinks..
@Bebo321
Nope. I think that cycling 100+ miles / week is way better than drugs + what drugs do is lower sugar levels. What I am suffering from is insulin resistance, not high sugars disease. High sugars are a symptom and not the disease. Its important to remember that. I hope that makes sense.. When drug companies start making a drug to remove insulin resistance then we'll all be fixed. In the mean time we may (or may not) be debt slaves to doctors and big pharma.
One more thing if I am fasting what spikes in sugar levels am I meant to be lowering as I am not eating real food. Just broths and coffee and Bovril drinks..
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