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"Self flagellation..."

Doczoc

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LOL I read this elsewhere on the site, apparently if you follow low carb you must be some kind of masochist. This is such a misguided opinion, it's just wrong, wrong, wrong!

When I have attempted weight loss in the past I have followed the low fat diet approach and I was eating this way when diagnosed. It's never lasted, always staving and bloody miserable.

I have always loved eating, have always loved cooking (puddings being my fave to make, even though not having a particularly sweet tooth) and I am still able to cook the most amazing meals, where I can eat till I'm stuffed, never feel hungry and not have to worry about my BG ever getting out of the 6s. Oh and I lose weight in the process LOL It's just perfect, I don't think about food anymore, it's just soooooo bloody liberating!

What exactly am I missing?

Sugar? Eh we're diabetics folks, this is a forgone conclusion.

Potatoes? Have you tasted how bland potatoes are without butter, salt, vinegar or sauce? Likewise pasta and rice? I do a fantastic carbonara with cabbage as a replacement for the pasta, so much tastier. Excuse me but I really am not going to lose sleep over missing those (literally, my sleep apnea disappeared within two weeks of dropping carbs LOL).

Chocolate?
Well I'm not aware of many healthy eating plans that allow chocolate but my tastebuds have certainly developed a liking for the finer things in life over the years, 85% cocoa solids anyone?

Bread? Hmmmm ok I was a bread monster. I lived my life by the motto of 'if it tastes good, it'll taste better in a sandwich'. But where did that get me? Twenty three and a half stone and climbing, horrendous mood swings, high blood pressure and a feeling of constant lethargy and depression. I am a completely different person now. Bread doesn't taste anywhere near as good as I FEEL now...

Processed ****** snack foods?
You can keep them, never indulged in that rubbish anyway, my cooks tastebuds are far too refined for that LOL I eat 'real' food. Home cook everything, despite working full time and bringing up two kids, takes a bit of planning I guess, but then it always did.

So I can't eat sweets, what sensible diabetic would though? I can't do potatoes, pasta and rice, no big loss there. No bread, well I can in moderation but I choose not to, I don't miss it that much, but it's probably the thing that would tempt me most.

So the choice is do I go for the low fat high carb approach and feel starving, miserable, short tempered, lerthagic, depressed, constant sugar highs and plummets and lacking in any kind of motivation whilst slowly piling on the pounds, increasing by blood pressure, fatty liver, and sleep apnea. Or do I think, OK I need to give up bread, but the trade off is sooooo much better, alertness, energy, motivation, reversal of high blood pressure, sleep apnea, fatty liver and over 4st of weight losss. I'm not hungry, I eat cheese, cream, butter, olive oil dressings, fatty meats, creamy sauces, the list goes on.

Is this is self flagellation pass me another whip! LOL

:D
 
Reading that back I mentioned eating till I was stuffed. Just realised I don't actually do that anymore. When I was a carb monster I seemed to have two stomach sensations 'starving' and 'stuffed'. All those thin people who say, 'just eat until you're satiated' made me wonder what was I doing wrong. I just ate till I got that feeling of stuffedness LOL I couldn't register any other levels of fullness. Now I more often than not leave food on the plate, I NEVER did that eating lots of carbs! I accept that low carb is not for everyone, but it's right for me, I just wished others could respect that.

Just had some full fat greek yogurt, blueberries and nuts for a snack. I'm so deprived LOL
 
Doczoc said:
When I was a carb monster I seemed to have two stomach sensations 'starving' and 'stuffed'. All those thin people who say, 'just eat until you're satiated' made me wonder what was I doing wrong. I just ate till I got that feeling of stuffedness LOL
And the reason for this is from what you have described you had a predominantly starch diet. One of the problems with starches, and why diets that recommend starchy foods can never work, is that they are temporary fillers. They leave you feeling stuffed for a short while after a meal, but within an hour or two you feel hungry again. The most famous example of this is Chinese meals, which are often criticised for leaving you wanting another one an hour later! This is because most Chinese dishes comprise at least ⅔ starch in the form of rice and MSG.

Incidentally have you ever noticed that the majority of diabetics who are most opposed to low carb diets have very poor HBA1Cs? It does make you wonder how much of their opposition is fuelled by envy of the results! :mrgreen: Rather than get angry about it, maybe we should just feel sorry for them. :lol:
 
Hi Doczoc,
I'm a cook too and I also tried the "so called" healthy eating plan, with low fats and hih carbs. I didn't hit 23 stones, but I got to 17+
Like you, I'm now no longrer hungry, but I've stopped losing unless it's at about 1/2 pound per month. Still I'm NOT GAINING and BGs are good.. You just reminded me of that box of blueberries in the fridge and I missed lunch and breakfast. Been chasing round local pharmacies trying to find the antibiotic that T1 is meant to be taking. Found it in the 3rd, with 1/2 hour wait. for it.
I'm happy to swap recipes with you
Hana
 
Dennis said:
Incidentally have you ever noticed that the majority of diabetics who are most opposed to low carb diets have very poor HBA1Cs? It does make you wonder how much of their opposition is fuelled by envy of the results! :mrgreen: Rather than get angry about it, maybe we should just feel sorry for them. :lol:

I'm sure that this is going to sound patronizing buy it's more disappointing than anything else, I feel like I've found an amazing solution, yet most people don't want to hear it. I'm convinced that history will show us right. ADA have reduced their daily rec CHOs from 300 to less than half that, I wonder when DUK will do the same? It'll still be worded to sound like it's not about the carbs though I'm sure. We'll still be seen as 'fanatics'. Ho hum.

It must be hard for someone with high HBA1Cs to see the results of lowcarbers, but I don't know of any lowcarber on here that has rubbish HBA1Cs, it just doesn't happen if you stick with it! I wonder how many of those who have 'tried' it have really tried it. Believe me there was no bigger carb monster than me, really! The first month was bloody hard, but I felt I had no choice. Carbs raise BGs so reducing them reduces BGs, that isn't rocket science is it? After a month it became easier, now it's a breeze. I went off the wagon for a week when camping, felt horrendous for a week after. I'm back on it and feeling better than ever. I will NEVER go back to eating loads of carbs. I'm hoping that when I've lost more weight I can introduce more,but itll only ever be in moderate amounts and whole foods. If I can do it, ANYONE can do it.'
 
Doc ...........You really shouldnt beat yourself up over the "feelings", Its happened before in history.
The best known was responsible for Easter, getting kids hooked on chocolate, fluffy bunnies and the Crusades.
The other went looking for India by sailing West for which we got Tobacco, Spuds, Sugar, Coca Cola and Big Macs.

Being a visionary isnt healthy and no good will come of it Mark my words .... No Good !!!

On the other hand i am on a bit of a guilt trip what with all this row about the MP`s expenses and all. I wonder how much ive contributed to the National Downfall by reducing my dependance on Meds and actually stopped a couple. The implication being how many are now out of work because of my selfish actions is almost too much :D

Ahmen
Dave P
 
People like you simply don't care who you hurt, do you Dave? It's self self self, isn't it?
Self improvement, self control, and self help.
I don't know, is no-one going to do the decent thing and sacrifice themselves for the greater good of our processed food industry? Jeez, low carbers.......

fergus
 
Sorry Fergus ............didnt mean to cause grief. Am now off to deepest tibet to participate in that Falling flat on your face on a mountian pilgrimage that they seem to specialise in. :oops:

Maybe gone some time
Dave P
 
Dennis said:
Incidentally have you ever noticed that the majority of diabetics who are most opposed to low carb diets have very poor HBA1Cs? It does make you wonder how much of their opposition is fuelled by envy of the results! :mrgreen: Rather than get angry about it, maybe we should just feel sorry for them. :lol:

Not only that but mediocre lipids at best.

Yes I completely agree, I spent most of my life eating Healthy Whole Grains. Now I don't have to eat them there's more room for the stuff with flavours and nutrients.
 
Incidentally have you ever noticed that the majority of diabetics who are most opposed to low carb diets have very poor HBA1Cs? It does make you wonder how much of their opposition is fuelled by envy of the results! Rather than get angry about it, maybe we should just feel sorry for them.

I hadn't intended to post here but this sniping from the sidelines is becoming ridiculous
I also resent this comment , moreover I resent remarks, frequently expressed by one poster on this thread, that the only people who can eat a balanced diet ( note I don't say high carb, the term is meaningless because it depends on so many variables) are type 1s on insulin or even worse on pumps. I kept my BG levels down for three years with a low GI, high, exercise regime, in spite of having negligible insulin of my own, perhaps some of the things I did were useful. I had some plaque in my arteries, this has now almost disappeared, again perhaps I have some useful experience. I have a pump because with it I can attempt to mimic normal insulin release, in order to avoid hypos rather than hypers.
I don't particularly like boasting of my HbA1c, its not a good conduct certificate, everybody has different problems and I'm maybe more fortunate than others, I don't use vast quantities of insulin. You can look up my HbA1c if you want to know it.
It is the constant hectoring and ridicule as demonstrated by the above statement which makes me wonder if it is possible to stay here.
On reason I haven't yet left is that I still hope that I can help someone.
 
The way things are going they will need Moderators to moderate the Moderators. Like those at Westminster there appears to be on set of rules for the elite .......
 
phoenix said:
It is the constant hectoring and ridicule as demonstrated by the above statement which makes me wonder if it is possible to stay here.
On reason I haven't yet left is that I still hope that I can help someone.

Doesn't it cut both ways? The quote above was in response to the hectoring and ridicule shown by non low carbers elsewhere on this board. The assumption is that if you follow a low carb diet you are some sort of obsessive carb counting automaton, holding up Bernstein as some sort of demi-God. Take a look at some of the signatures and sniggering, caustic posts elsewhere. Those following low carb are seen as being 'nuts' and not having a mind of their own. This whole post is about others making out that low carbers are some sort of masochists remember. It's all pretty pathetic really, everyone just needs to grow up.
 
Personally I couldn't care a rats left whisker how people control their diabetes as long as they have control.I have spent all day policing,and I use that term advisedly, these posts which just are so counter-productive to anything on the forum.I would like to get back to helping and supporting new members which is what some seem to forget we are here for.
If you do not agree with another members way of control then just ignore it.Respect that we all have our own ways but do not dismiss or deride just because it is not for you.
 
iHs said:
My hba1c is currently at 6.4 and I am fairly happy with that.

My last HbA1c was 5.5% and I'm not happy with that.

Why? Because I know that I can still spike over a BG of 10 when I eat carbohydrate - especially bread or cereals in the mornings.

However, I am a Type 2 and I recognise that is a different situation to you.
 
Errrrrr, am I missing something?

Been away for a few days but I'm sure this is the low-carb forum? Has Dan asked that the low and non-low carbers stick to their own forums?

wiflib
 
Thanks Sue.

I kept scrolling back and re-reading the posts. I knew somebody had got it wrong!

I've been very quiet lately as I've not only been busy, I've also been up and down with the old betus.
My control on my diet of no visible/obvious carbs had my BS sooooo well controlled, I was questioning the original diagnosis and I decided I was pre-diabetic. This gave me licence to eat what shouldn't have done and I 'ran out' (hid them in the bottom of a cupboard) of strips.

The result was sobering kick up the jacksie. One particularly frustrating day saw me eat a pretty standard pre-diagnosis food intakel. Two hours after my evening meal I was 12.6

I tell you, I could hear my heart beating in my ears I was so shocked.

I have diabetes.

I also have my body back and the type of self-control I've never had before.
I don't want to give up bread, potatoes, pasta, crisps, crackers all all other things carby, but all I have is Hobsons choice.

wiflib
 
Oh dear. I seem to have caused yet more controversy and problems for the mod team by making an off-the-cuff comment which was intended to be humorous. Should anyone think that I don't take this horrible illness seriously, then please be assured that I do; I don't enjoy the stress and worry it causes any more than the rest of you, and there plenty of people here who are far more severely affected by diabetes than I.

There was a point behind my comment, however; mainly that we all have to deal with diabetes as well as we are able and that there are different approaches available. Finding the right one for you is the important thing.

Sincere best wishes,

Nick.
 
Thirsty said:
Oh dear. I seem to have caused yet more controversy and problems for the mod team by making an off-the-cuff comment which was intended to be humorous. Should anyone think that I don't take this horrible illness seriously, then please be assured that I do; I don't enjoy the stress and worry it causes any more than the rest of you, and there plenty of people here who are far more severely affected by diabetes than I.

There was a point behind my comment, however; mainly that we all have to deal with diabetes as well as we are able and that there are different approaches available. Finding the right one for you is the important thing.

Sincere best wishes,

Nick.

Don't take it to heart Nick, I didn't use your name deliberately as the remark itself is less important than the misguided notion that following a low carb diet is torture. It isn't. That was all my post intended, it wasn't a dig at you personally. If you are used to eating really food then the transition is fairly easy. If you eat a diet high in processed foods then I can see why moving to low carb might be tricky.
 
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