Prediabetes Six months on and still so confused, whingefest

SlimLizzy

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Massive amounts of choice now that just didn’t exist then, and awareness of them. It was hard to be complicated when there no alternative.
Also far better idea of nutrition now and how different foods have different effects. Ignorance was simplicity at least.
Better awareness of allergies and intolerances now.
More concern shown to personal preferences across life now, not just diet.
Different attitudes towards kids being seen and not heard and being entitled to opinions.

Some changes for the better, others less so. But whatever you think of those changes it’s pretty much impossible to go back to how life used to be, because it’s not like that as soon as you step outside the front door even if you manage to recreate it inside.
Some people have better understanding of nutrition now. Lot of others are affected by advertising and the massive choice of sugary, processed foods available. Also our more sedentary lifestyle now makes choices that were sustainable a decade or two ago, distinctly unhealthy now.
 

SlimLizzy

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Really sorry to read of your struggles.

I empathise because I know temptation and now I worry whether I’m eating too much, too little ...the right things, the wrong things. I feel overwhelmed.

I hope you find your way through this. You can drink tea at least as you should never become dehydrated.

Good luck!
thank you for you sympathy Patrick, sounds as if we are twin souls. At least on our bad days
 

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Massive amounts of choice now that just didn’t exist then, and awareness of them. It was hard to be complicated when there no alternative.
Also far better idea of nutrition now and how different foods have different effects. Ignorance was simplicity at least.
Better awareness of allergies and intolerances now.
More concern shown to personal preferences across life now, not just diet.
Different attitudes towards kids being seen and not heard and being entitled to opinions.

Some changes for the better, others less so. But whatever you think of those changes it’s pretty much impossible to go back to how life used to be, because it’s not like that as soon as you step outside the front door even if you manage to recreate it inside.
In the same vein, 50 years ago who knew anyone with an allergy? Foods were not labelled with allergens and everyone ate peanuts and gluten. Last week I bought some pork chops from Sainsbury's butcher's counter and they had a warning that they might contain just about any allergen you can think of.
 

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thank you for you sympathy Patrick, sounds as if we are twin souls. At least on our bad days
Indeed we are.

Pity there are so many bad days when the struggle is real.
 

SlimLizzy

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Wow, thanks, I must try that. I can handle one piece of fruit at a time, I will usually spike if i have 2 pieces. I have a daughter who says "what's for dinner?" and generally groans when she hears the answer. I then go into mother mode "food doesn't have to entertain". It's a bit like that for me too now, food just isn't so entertaining. For breakfast I often have an orange, brazil nuts and a chunk of parmesan regiano. I haven't mastered this yet, still haven't built up the urge to cook a big plate of greens, stir-fry etc. though I do like veg. A menu plan would be good, it's just finding the will to make one. Shopping so that there are always rashers, berries, cheese and nuts in the house means that when you eventually eat there is something there. I never liked dark chocolate but have now developed a taste for Godiva 72% and I seem to tolerate it well. I roast and salt almonds too, which are good, though I think I need to add a little oil, to make the sea-salt stick to the nuts better. I went to bereavment counselling once and she told me that at six months you feel that you are going mad because that is when reality bites. Maybe you are grieving and are coming to a full realization, that this is for life and not just for a little while?
You are right, its the neverendingness of it. Each new season brings new grief. Mince pies? Ok, never really liked those anyway. no big deal. This time its hot cross buns. Now those I love, but they must be the real thing, some versions omit the spices. How cheapskates can you get? I love them, smothered, or dripping in butter. Must work out how to fit one in now and again. Or I will be feeling deprived.
 

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I think we've all felt burned out, frazzled and at our wits end at times *hug*.

I find it easiest to think about and plan food / meals once a week which takes food preferences, shift patterns, needs, wants and allergies in to account. I draw up a weekly menu (which gets attached to the fridge the day before food shopping or Asda delivery) and any changes are made then. The idea is that i know what I'm cooking and when and it also works out much cheaper than me just winging it while going round the shops as i found out this week when I didn't get the opportunity do do my weekly planning.

If i were in your shoes I'd be thinking about meals that are suitable for all of your family so you can all eat the same food and it simplifies preparation. I have a list of about twenty dishes that are 'regulars' but I often try out new ones when i discover something suitable.

This forward planning isn't set in stone in my house but it is something I've done most weeks for the last 40+ years to stop me getting frazzled as i am not a natural born cook who can create delicious meals out of a couple of random ingredients and a clove of garlic.

As for low carbing, its not supposed to be a 'diet' just a way of eating thats suitable for you. Try making a list of breakfasts, lunches and dinners plus snacks that you are happy are suitable (and that you enjoy) and get enough of them in each week so that when you are hungry there is always something in your kitchen that you can and want to eat (in my house its generally a variety of cheeses).

I'm not sure why you think you can't drink tea but if you think there's an issue with the milk or whatever then use your meter to find out how your body reacts to it - if you do get a BG rise which you aren't happy with then try switching to lactofree milk.
 

Emily D.

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You are right, its the neverendingness of it. Each new season brings new grief. Mince pies? Ok, never really liked those anyway. no big deal. This time its hot cross buns. Now those I love, but they must be the real thing, some versions omit the spices. How cheapskates can you get? I love them, smothered, or dripping in butter. Must work out how to fit one in now and again. Or I will be feeling deprived.
Have one the best one you can find, smothered in more butter than usual. Make an occasion of it and relish it because deprivation is so bad for your head and your head/emotions need to be somehow satisfied too. And, if you want them regularly, can you get mini ones somewhere and have them every so often?
You are right, its the neverendingness of it. Each new season brings new grief. Mince pies? Ok, never really liked those anyway. no big deal. This time its hot cross buns. Now those I love, but they must be the real thing, some versions omit the spices. How cheapskates can you get? I love them, smothered, or dripping in butter. Must work out how to fit one in now and again. Or I will be feeling deprived.
 

SlimLizzy

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Have one the best one you can find, smothered in more butter than usual. Make an occasion of it and relish it because deprivation is so bad for your head and your head/emotions need to be somehow satisfied too. And, if you want them regularly, can you get mini ones somewhere and have them every so often?
Smothered in butter is the only way to have them. Mini ones good idea
 

SlimLizzy

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I think we've all felt burned out, frazzled and at our wits end at times *hug*.

I find it easiest to think about and plan food / meals once a week which takes food preferences, shift patterns, needs, wants and allergies in to account. I draw up a weekly menu (which gets attached to the fridge the day before food shopping or Asda delivery) and any changes are made then. The idea is that i know what I'm cooking and when and it also works out much cheaper than me just winging it while going round the shops as i found out this week when I didn't get the opportunity do do my weekly planning.

If i were in your shoes I'd be thinking about meals that are suitable for all of your family so you can all eat the same food and it simplifies preparation. I have a list of about twenty dishes that are 'regulars' but I often try out new ones when i discover something suitable.

This forward planning isn't set in stone in my house but it is something I've done most weeks for the last 40+ years to stop me getting frazzled as i am not a natural born cook who can create delicious meals out of a couple of random ingredients and a clove of garlic.

As for low carbing, its not supposed to be a 'diet' just a way of eating thats suitable for you. Try making a list of breakfasts, lunches and dinners plus snacks that you are happy are suitable (and that you enjoy) and get enough of them in each week so that when you are hungry there is always something in your kitchen that you can and want to eat (in my house its generally a variety of cheeses).

I'm not sure why you think you can't drink tea but if you think there's an issue with the milk or whatever then use your meter to find out how your body reacts to it - if you do get a BG rise which you aren't happy with then try switching to lactofree milk.
Hi Chook,
Its that list of twenty or so dishes i need... Currently its about six dinners, 3 different soups, (several salads, great in the summer, not so much in winter) and one, possibly two breakfasts - if you count eggs as one. However have got recipe for grain free granola to try :)
Snacks are usually cheese or nuts, sometimes olives, if they are not already included in meals.
I get the way of eating idea, but not found it yet.
Thank you for commenting and being so supportive.
 

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maybe i have got it a bit out of proportion

I think maybe you have.

It’s easy to read these forums and think that everything is hugely complicated, and one big science experiment.

It’s not.

If you have been diagnosed with pre-diabetes then your only aim should be to ensure that it doesn’t get worse and become full blown T2D.

Your health, physical and mental must come first.

Whatever you choose to do must work in a way that means your overall life improves.

Combating Diabetes is an total lifestyle not a single thing like a diet.

You know you will always get support on this forum.

Good luck.
 

woollygal

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Feeling pretty useless as after over six months am still almost as confused. :confused:
Have been posting in what have you eaten today.:brb:
Tonight cant be bothered, feel like giving up all efforts to control this pernicious condition. Am trapped into a way of life and thought that I dont want and cannot escape. All day its what to eat? how much of it? In which combination? Was that enough? How long since last meal? My brain aches with the complexity of it.
Is it ok to have a cup of tea? As if a simple pleasure like a cup of tea now has to be rationed, doled out at appropriate times only. Or is a source of guilt. Possibility am not getting enough fluid as a result. How can I live like this for the rest of my life? Have I got to give up bread? museli, pastry, potatoes, pasta, rice, cakes, bicuits, most fruits and some vegetables. Have never dieted. Never needed to. Naturally slim all my life. Did not especially like cooking and now sick of the "home cooked is the only way to go" mantra. Those who spout it have never tasted my cooking! Its ok, but thats all. My lack of interest or enthusiasm shines through. Now am cooking three sometimes four times a day, drives me mad, all that time in the kitchen - and the washing up - never ending. No more onepot rice meals.
Weight at diagnosis (July 2018) was 9st 4lb, 58.9 kg. Now 49.8kg feel as am stuffing myself all day yet still losing weight.
Doctor is not concerned, come back in six months for HbA1c.
Better understanding of how diabetes affects most people but still not sure how to apply it to myself. I NEED to get this sorted, its driving me mad.
Bought a meter and an Ap.
Have been testing and discovered that BG is often highest at one hour after a meal.
Why is two hours the recommended time?
Is a rise of just under two points after two hours mean its an acceptable food/portion, even if at that point the BG is coming down from a four-five point rise?
What is good for breakfast ? Something that isn't cooking.
Nearly all the advice is cut carbs and lose weight. Well, have done that, even though it wasn't intentional. My new nickname is BonyBird.
How do people stop losing weight once they get to target?
Dinner at parents house. Mother is type2, yet still has meringue roulade as the pudding. It had been a favourite of mine, I gave in. Am sure thats why it was there. They think I am too thin - am begining to feel that myself.
Today too stressed and depressed to eat at for hours. Then its reversal, full on Stuff it am going to have that Pain au Raisin, glass of wine and Creme Caramel. :greedy: 40g carbs in that tiny little pot:eek: Umm maybe not... :stop: Rationality returns. If not good humour:sour: Glass of wine instead.
Sorry for whngefest peeps, its feeling really tough and the hard stuff hasn't even happened yet. Thats all to come in the next few weeks.

Hold on in there.

Completely understand where you are coming from.

I was diagnosed August 20 last year. Officially.

Unofficially on August 11 when I went in with kidney stones.

I’m several months in and the constant preparing fir meals and snacks to make sure I eat properly is a nightmare. Sometimes I just can’t. I have to go wild and wing it. Those days are usually disastrous.

I still can’t be around sweets. Still eat too many.

I seem to have this constant dull bland taste in my mouth that doesn’t disappear. I just want to eat something that has a strong flavour. I never seem to find that anymore.

Tonight out of nowhere I’ve got very low. Started crying and no idea why.

Possibly because I have hospital appt tomorrow as check up for kidney stones (only 9 months later). So for some reason this has bought everything flooding back. Yet I then feel utterly stupid because I’ve lost weight (could have done better) and levels have dropped. I also feel pathetic for whingeing because it’s just type 2. I’m not in insulin, I don’t inject, I have a good life.

But god, the constant preparation. I feel like I work in the week then the weekend is just cooking fir the week. It is so interminably boring and responsible.

I know I have to do it, but time off would be lovely.

So whinge away. Because I think we all deserve that sometimes.

If we don’t allow ourselves to feel sorry for ourselves sometimes we would go mad.

So big hugs and good luck. You have fir this. We all have.
 

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It’s having to cook for my mob, all having different needs....

This is a problem I am having. And they have no real idea why my diet has to be as it is.

And the new restrictions on the diet is frustrating.

I am really enjoying Greek yoghourt and mixed berry coulli right now but I am eating it every day and am sure I will get brassed off with it eventually.
 
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SlimLizzy

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Hold on in there.

Completely understand where you are coming from.

I was diagnosed August 20 last year. Officially.

Unofficially on August 11 when I went in with kidney stones.

I’m several months in and the constant preparing fir meals and snacks to make sure I eat properly is a nightmare. Sometimes I just can’t. I have to go wild and wing it. Those days are usually disastrous.

I still can’t be around sweets. Still eat too many.

I seem to have this constant dull bland taste in my mouth that doesn’t disappear. I just want to eat something that has a strong flavour. I never seem to find that anymore.

Tonight out of nowhere I’ve got very low. Started crying and no idea why.

Possibly because I have hospital appt tomorrow as check up for kidney stones (only 9 months later). So for some reason this has bought everything flooding back. Yet I then feel utterly stupid because I’ve lost weight (could have done better) and levels have dropped. I also feel pathetic for whingeing because it’s just type 2. I’m not in insulin, I don’t inject, I have a good life.

But god, the constant preparation. I feel like I work in the week then the weekend is just cooking fir the week. It is so interminably boring and responsible.

I know I have to do it, but time off would be lovely.

So whinge away. Because I think we all deserve that sometimes.

If we don’t allow ourselves to feel sorry for ourselves sometimes we would go mad.

So big hugs and good luck. You have fir this. We all have.
So generous of you to take time to reply, when you are feeling low yourself. hope you brighten up soon
 

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In the same vein, 50 years ago who knew anyone with an allergy? Foods were not labelled with allergens and everyone ate peanuts and gluten. Last week I bought some pork chops from Sainsbury's butcher's counter and they had a warning that they might contain just about any allergen you can think of.
And 50 yrs ago there weren’t all the additives and chemicals in our foods and around us in everyday life to mess with our systems, nor the excessive amounts of sugar etc to ****** up our metabolism. Plus some people had allergies but didn’t know it, albeit not the life threatening ones as they probably did notice these, or die.
 

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SlimLizzy - It's entirely up to you what you do, if anything, about your prediabetes A1c, and overall where you set the risk dials in your life. It's your life.

Some time ago, a member posted a link to an Aussie study suggesting that for those developing pre-diabetes, and take no action whatsoever, only something like 30% actually go on to develop T2. Now, don't ask me for the link to it, because I don't have it on this machine and won't be at my other machine for severasl weeks from now, but the study is out there. Others may know if it.

Also, you are pre-diabetic, not the whole hog. I'm not going to make any assertions of mountains and molehills, but in reality your changes, once you know what your blood sugar rocket fuel is, could be relatively modest, in terms of the range of the possibles. But, the only person who can do that research, along with the recording of results etc, is you.

As a household, we have always has a sketched out weekly meal plan. We're certainly not wedded to any sort of Monday = X, Thursday = Y or whatever, but we plan a week's meals when doing our shop and then consume them during the coming week. That way we know we have what we need and the choices are 1 from 7 (evening meals), diminishing as the week progresses. That reduced all that brain ache for me at least. When I went LC, it was merely a variation of that situation, without the bread, potatoes etc.

Nobody can live your life for you or define what your acceptable changes will be.

If you did nothing and became diabetc, there is an opportunity that you might be able to reverse it. I say might, because nobody can predict accurately which T2s will or won't reverse.

If you did end up T2, and supported by meds, would that be the end of the world?

Personally, I like to do without meds where I possibly can, but sometimes quality of life trumps ego (in what I do or don't want).

As I say, only you can decide where you set the acceptable risk dials. One man's risk is another's no risk at all, in terms of acceptability.

If you must set your dials to a very low acceptable risk level, then you probably have more work to do to get yourself to a menatlly comfortable place. This self-flagelation and self torture isn't doing you any good.

Nobody can tell you what to do. Change has to come from within, and for it to be sustainable, there has to be a clear answer to the "what's in it for me" question. For many an answer of "I might not become diabetic (or whatever)", or I might be a bit healthier just don't cut it.

This comes from someone who studied and worked in Change for a long time. I'm not saying I know it all, but I do know some stuff.

My suggestion would be that you step away from the keyboard. Plan some foods for a few days, so you are eating from "what's there", without shopping trips of decision making, and get a pad and paper out and just empty your mind. The answers arein there, in my view.
 

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Feeling pretty useless as after over six months am still almost as confused. :confused:
Have been posting in what have you eaten today.:brb:
Tonight cant be bothered, feel like giving up all efforts to control this pernicious condition. Am trapped into a way of life and thought that I dont want and cannot escape. All day its what to eat? how much of it? In which combination? Was that enough? How long since last meal? My brain aches with the complexity of it.
Is it ok to have a cup of tea? As if a simple pleasure like a cup of tea now has to be rationed, doled out at appropriate times only. Or is a source of guilt. Possibility am not getting enough fluid as a result. How can I live like this for the rest of my life? Have I got to give up bread? museli, pastry, potatoes, pasta, rice, cakes, bicuits, most fruits and some vegetables. Have never dieted. Never needed to. Naturally slim all my life. Did not especially like cooking and now sick of the "home cooked is the only way to go" mantra. Those who spout it have never tasted my cooking! Its ok, but thats all. My lack of interest or enthusiasm shines through. Now am cooking three sometimes four times a day, drives me mad, all that time in the kitchen - and the washing up - never ending. No more onepot rice meals.
Weight at diagnosis (July 2018) was 9st 4lb, 58.9 kg. Now 49.8kg feel as am stuffing myself all day yet still losing weight.
Doctor is not concerned, come back in six months for HbA1c.
Better understanding of how diabetes affects most people but still not sure how to apply it to myself. I NEED to get this sorted, its driving me mad.
Bought a meter and an Ap.
Have been testing and discovered that BG is often highest at one hour after a meal.
Why is two hours the recommended time?
Is a rise of just under two points after two hours mean its an acceptable food/portion, even if at that point the BG is coming down from a four-five point rise?
What is good for breakfast ? Something that isn't cooking.
Nearly all the advice is cut carbs and lose weight. Well, have done that, even though it wasn't intentional. My new nickname is BonyBird.
How do people stop losing weight once they get to target?
Dinner at parents house. Mother is type2, yet still has meringue roulade as the pudding. It had been a favourite of mine, I gave in. Am sure thats why it was there. They think I am too thin - am begining to feel that myself.
Today too stressed and depressed to eat at for hours. Then its reversal, full on Stuff it am going to have that Pain au Raisin, glass of wine and Creme Caramel. :greedy: 40g carbs in that tiny little pot:eek: Umm maybe not... :stop: Rationality returns. If not good humour:sour: Glass of wine instead.
Sorry for whngefest peeps, its feeling really tough and the hard stuff hasn't even happened yet. Thats all to come in the next few weeks.
Feeling pretty useless as after over six months am still almost as confused. :confused:
Have been posting in what have you eaten today.:brb:
Tonight cant be bothered, feel like giving up all efforts to control this pernicious condition. Am trapped into a way of life and thought that I dont want and cannot escape. All day its what to eat? how much of it? In which combination? Was that enough? How long since last meal? My brain aches with the complexity of it.
Is it ok to have a cup of tea? As if a simple pleasure like a cup of tea now has to be rationed, doled out at appropriate times only. Or is a source of guilt. Possibility am not getting enough fluid as a result. How can I live like this for the rest of my life? Have I got to give up bread? museli, pastry, potatoes, pasta, rice, cakes, bicuits, most fruits and some vegetables. Have never dieted. Never needed to. Naturally slim all my life. Did not especially like cooking and now sick of the "home cooked is the only way to go" mantra. Those who spout it have never tasted my cooking! Its ok, but thats all. My lack of interest or enthusiasm shines through. Now am cooking three sometimes four times a day, drives me mad, all that time in the kitchen - and the washing up - never ending. No more onepot rice meals.
Weight at diagnosis (July 2018) was 9st 4lb, 58.9 kg. Now 49.8kg feel as am stuffing myself all day yet still losing weight.
Doctor is not concerned, come back in six months for HbA1c.
Better understanding of how diabetes affects most people but still not sure how to apply it to myself. I NEED to get this sorted, its driving me mad.
Bought a meter and an Ap.
Have been testing and discovered that BG is often highest at one hour after a meal.
Why is two hours the recommended time?
Is a rise of just under two points after two hours mean its an acceptable food/portion, even if at that point the BG is coming down from a four-five point rise?
What is good for breakfast ? Something that isn't cooking.
Nearly all the advice is cut carbs and lose weight. Well, have done that, even though it wasn't intentional. My new nickname is BonyBird.
How do people stop losing weight once they get to target?
Dinner at parents house. Mother is type2, yet still has meringue roulade as the pudding. It had been a favourite of mine, I gave in. Am sure thats why it was there. They think I am too thin - am begining to feel that myself.
Today too stressed and depressed to eat at for hours. Then its reversal, full on Stuff it am going to have that Pain au Raisin, glass of wine and Creme Caramel. :greedy: 40g carbs in that tiny little pot:eek: Umm maybe not... :stop: Rationality returns. If not good humour:sour: Glass of wine instead.
Sorry for whngefest peeps, its feeling really tough and the hard stuff hasn't even happened yet. Thats all to come in the next few weeks.

Do not worry or stress! It seems that your issue is not knowing what to eat. Have a look at the Patrick Holford website. He is a reputable dietician who focuses on a low GL, carb, fat and calorie diet that is specifically designed to lower your blood sugar. You can eat as much as you want of the right stuff!
 

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Do not worry or stress! It seems that your issue is not knowing what to eat. Have a look at the Patrick Holford website. He is a reputable dietician who focuses on a low GL, carb, fat and calorie diet that is specifically designed to lower your blood sugar. You can eat as much as you want of the right stuff!
 

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@cured are you cured? From what?

Low GL,Low fat and low calorie are different animals from low carb and pretty impossible to do all 4. The success on this forum tends to be from the last in my list.
 
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Some time ago, a member posted a link to an Aussie study suggesting that for those developing pre-diabetes, and take no action whatsoever, only something like 30% actually go on to develop T2. Now, don't ask me for the link to it, because I don't have it on this machine and won't be at my other machine for severasl weeks from now, but the study is out there. Others may know if it.

My GP quoted 20% - so similar.