What I really do not understand is that if we as lay people can find all this information then why are these drugs being so fervently pushed by HCPs who have chosen to be part of a profession whose first law is 'Do No Harm'.He is not good at interviews. I have listened to radio programs where he said he had not tested statins for adverse side effects, another where he said that that he did hold pre trial tests and weeded out some people and each time I got the impression that the world would have been a better place if he mentioned all that earlier.
With all those revelations I wonder what evidence N.I.C.E. used to recommend that everyone with a certain risk should be offered statins. Even the positive evidence which we assume exists has not been made available.
I feel happy that I have been there, done that, got the T shirt, and now have the comment "Intolerant of Statins" on my record.
Hi,
I remember that on Trust Me I'm a Doctor programme Dr M Moseley found out that he had high cholesterol and as a result of the research he was doing weighed up the pros and cons.... And everyone correct me if I remember this wrong but he opted to take and so start using statins...
I remember from the program that he took the state of his health quute badly as he hadn't been expecting it...
I have no time for people who just follow the herd.
I have no time for people who just follow the herd.
Which herd? Those who blindly take everything they're told to or those who exercise some caution? I'm being pedantic, I think?
You definitely have to try Statins before making a decision about whether to take them or not.
You definitely have to try Statins before making a decision about whether to take them or not.
Forgive me, I should try stains for the purpose of lowering cholesterol even though the evidence of benefit from lowered cholesterol levels is founded on dodgy research?
We're on the same side here, I think. What I'm suggesting is that it's obvious some people take these rotten things without the slightest bit of trouble, whether they are better off with cholesterol as low as you can get it is another matter all together. We need cholesterol! What is important is if you try them and you get the muscle pain which in my case was not insignificant, and if you get the brain fog, again something that affects me to today and then there's the poor sleep, also a problem for me today, if you experience any of that, the GP shouldn't be forcing you (and by you I mean one in general, not you personally) or expecting you to take anything, never mind statins.
You definitely have to try Statins before making a decision about whether to take them or not.
Everyone?
A GP has no place 'forcing' any treatment on any patient.
ignoring reports from a patient of side effects
The GP panicked me with the qrisk nonsense so I gave in and took them for one week.
During that week I added to my knowledge on statin use/evidence or lack thereof and came to the conclusion that my initial decision to refuse the drug was correct, for me.
(sky high) cholesterol level
By the way, I'm not disagreeing, but . . . . .
Of course they don't have any right to do that . . . . it's just that they do, often.
Have you reported the side effects you experienced, not just to your GP? Have you used the yellow card system?
https://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/ for anybody experiencing side effects, please report it, otherwise the like of a certain Professor will have all the evidence stacked in his favour as will his colleague who is supposed to be looking into the extent of people suffering side effects, despite having made her mind up as to the outcome.
It's a naff assessment which doesn't include life style choices like diet and exercise.
I've read so many books and watched so many videos over a much longer period than a week or two, my brain is a mess, totally addled. I'm not a medic and in theory should take notice of medics, only they seem to be economic with the truth. I'm also totally depressed that I was being asked to take something that quite clearly has some pretty awful side effects. I keep coming back to the Merck patent of 1990, that's how long ago they knew about the prevention of the uptake of CoQ10 which causes the muscle pain. Surprise, surprise, we need CoQ10.
That must make your decision making more difficult. I've been lucky enough to have had some thorough checking of my heart and tubes, albeit because of a greedy US MD who was going to refer me for a triple bypass until I said my travel insurance didn't cover it. Bit of a pain as the insurance company were going to send a nurse to accompany me home until I told them that I hadn't felt better and that just before going on holiday I'd been digging 5m X 3m X 500mm foundations which I then filled with 2500 kgs of pea-stones, bought at Wickes and transported by me in my car 15 bags at a time and taken to the end of garden by me, 3 bags in a wheelbarrow at a time. The point being perhaps GPs should look at the state of people's heart and tubes before deciding whether statin therapy is required. Somehow I can't see them spending any of their precious money, just dish out the tablets.
I'm lucky with my GPs, they know why I now don't take statins and as I've shown I can manipulate my BG and TC by diet alone, they're happy.
My knowledge is not based on a coupla weeks reading.
There's a lot out there, it was driving me potty because I couldn't remember half of what I read or saw. It's why I could only make a decision based on how it was affecting my life. Backed up by the fact that my GP, knowing CoQ10 was the problem, could notprescribe it or recommend how much to take.
Wish my doctor would check me every 3 months. I get checked every 12/14 months depending when appiontment available. At least every 3 months you know if your on the right track &. If not can make some adjustments
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