Still drinking Cola drinks? Not such a good idea...

[Oldvatr]

Am I right in thinking that as a T2D then drinking this muck in quantity should allow me to drop my gliclazide med completely? Seems to have the same effect, and I can flip a coin to see which set of side effects I want since they both are bad for me in the long run.

I take it Creme Brulee is also out if I buy it ready made? Maybe a burst of imbibing Coke before the blood tests would gain tick box points from GP. I once used alcohol to drop my spotcheck bloods at the GP surgery the next day, but then I was only fooling myself so what was the point? Coke might have been a cheaper route, but not as much fun.....

The report is stating that this additive is carcinogenic, but does not go on to prove it, so is this scaremongering or what? Anyone got a report that 'proves' the link to Big C? in fact apart from hyperinsulinemia then the report is not demonstrating any other harmful aspect apart from maybe needing to bolus less if using insulin {Ducks below parapet and puts blotting paper down trousers}

Edit to add: I was impressed with their knowledge of modern research techniques - Immunoblotting is fun to do. almost as good as fly blatting

 

[porl69]

There was originally cocaine added to the recipe for coke, but it had to go when it was rumbled. The ingredients are and remain a closely guarded secret.

One of Pable Escobars plans was to smuggle coke thru in Coca Cola....how ironic

 

[zand]

Aaaaaarrrrggggggghhhhh! Why do you guys think this is funny? This is no laughing matter. It really isn't. I suggest @Oldvatr that you drink a lot of the stuff just like I did and then tell the forum what you have discovered.

 

[Geordie_P]

I used to like to drink fruit juice and milk but when I was diagnosed I switched to diet sodas: I lost 30kg, 'reversed' my diabetes according to the doctor, and reduced my triglyceride and cholesterol levels from dangerously high levels, to optimal levels.

 

[Oldvatr]

Aaaaaarrrrggggggghhhhh! Why do you guys think this is funny? This is no laughing matter. It really isn't. I suggest @Oldvatr that you drink a lot of the stuff just like I did and then tell the forum what you have discovered.

I am sorry @zand but if you had read my post properly, you would have seen that in fact it contained a very serious question that goes far beyond hypo's and high insulin levels. In the report they blandly state the following, without any reference:
" Previous studies revealed the neurotoxic and carcinogenic potential of 4-MEI in animals"

Remember that this is one of the most common food additives that feed into so many products we all may use, so IMHO that is of much greater importance. I asked if anyone had supporting evidence to this statement of theirs, or is it scaremongering? If the first then we need to be very concerned, otherwise it reduces the impact of this study report.

Just because a report is published does not make it right. The NATURE site is reknowned for publishing rubbish pseudo science and sensationalist articles (but not to the same extent as the Daily Tabloids) and so I query all that I read from that source.

Yes I have drunk larger quantities of cola in my time, but have reduced my intake in recent years coz it tastes too sweet even for my sweet tooth. I have not myself suffered anything except dispepsia and I do not test my sugars after drinking it. My T1D friend did test diet coke and found that it seemed to raise his bgl slightly, it was not a scientific observation, and it was not enough for him to adjust his pump output.

May I return the compliment, and suggest that you share YOUR experiences with coke since we are at present in the dark on that.

 

[Robinredbreast]

One of Pable Escobars plans was to smuggle coke thru in Coca Cola....how ironic

Diet Coca Cola and really cold and would only be in the summertime, if it is very, very hot and I'm out and about for the day, then it would be just one, I rarely drink it.
Tbh, I find it is so gassy and really bloats my stomach

 

[zand]

@Oldvatr I did read your post properly. I thought the neurotoxic potential was simply an extension of what happens when metabolisms are broken, after all some doctors are calling Alzheimers another kind of diabetes. So that all fits.

I am fed up with sharing my experiences with diet coke on this forum as I am often ridiculed when I do so. Right now I don't have the mental or physical energy to type a lot only to be told that my experiences are not valid. All I ever wanted to do was to stop people making the same mistakes that I made.

In short it caused me to develop fatty liver, insulin resistance and gain weight which all resulted in T2. It upset my gut flora and dissolved my tooth enamel. It gave me horrendous pains from my jaw to my temple. It took me a long time to give it up as it is so addictive. It sometimes brought on a mild asthma attack.

Please don't laugh at me and say it was the junk food that I ate that caused T2 (as someone did recently on another thread) , whilst I did have junk sometimes it was all calorie counted. I am an all or nothing type of person and when I counted calories I did it well, never cheated. When I switched from full sugar drinks in my teens I never turned back, not once, so please don't tell me it was sugary drinks that caused my obesity, it wasn't.

Once you have destroyed your gut flora and become IR through fatty liver it is very hard to turn back the tide of ill health. It is very hard to stop gaining weight too even though you aren't consuming many calories. 11 years after giving up diet drinks I have still not won the fight.

Obviously a few diet cokes in the Summer like @Robinredbreast has is fine. I used to drink a lot to stop myself from feeling hungry because I was desperate to lose the weight I put on after a car accident. Nothing in the mainstream told me that this was a bad idea, although looking back how can drinking something with a whole list of chemicals be good?

If I could go back and tell my teenage self one piece of advice it would be never to touch diet drinks.

This is absolutely the last time I will speak about this. Folk must find out the hard way like I did. I cannot set myself up to be scoffed at anymore (I don't mean by you @Oldvatr, but by others)

 

[KibbyRose]

I stopped a 30-year cigarette habit easier than Diet Coke. I quit for 2 years, then fell off the wagon. Still using today.

 

[Deleted member 308541]

I stopped a 30-year cigarette habit easier than Diet Coke. I quit for 2 years, then fell off the wagon. Still using today.

Coke or nicotine...

 

[Oldvatr]

I seem to be missing a trick here. This supplement apparently increases insulin in the blood as measured by c-peptide tests, and lowered bgl levels by clearance, Post mortem inspection shows that the number of beta cells had increased significantly, so unlike a sulfonylurea drug, the increase is due to new beta cells being created, Surely this is of major impact since this is the first I have heard of beta cell propagation in vivo, This would be of interest to T2D approaching their end stage insulin therapy - in fact to possibly ALL T2D if confirmed,

The other thing I note was that the mechanism for glucose clearance was not investigated Was it by kidney extraction or hepatic extraction, i.e. was the liver increased in size or suffering fatty liver, or finally did more get stored as glucogon in the muscle tissue. Where did it go? They PM'ed the pancreas, but not the liver??????

So my unanswered question is did the substance lead to increased Insulin resistance via increasing fatty liver deposits, or excreted by other means? The GTT seems to have been affected, bur this was not picked up either as being of significance.

Finally on a lighter note: if mice can suffer severe hypo episodes by taking this stuff, what of mere mortals not on meds? Should coke drinkers be hypo aware, or drive home from the pub without testing? Would this also apply to non diabetics?

 

[1EYESCOT]

This was interesting reading, as I work within the Hospitality and Hotel Industry, hold my Personal Licence and been a Licensee since 1990, and obviously have come into daily working contact with such drinks. Plus, as a Scot, I have always had a tendency to possess a Sweet Tooth, but since being diagnosed as Diabetic T2 back in 2006, I have altered my drinking habits, especially with Soft Drinks and Cola's in particular.

Almost all licensed premises, plus cafes, restaurants and so on will have Soft Drinks dispensed via the Hand Held Dispenser, or "gun" as we know it in the trade. But I am sure, from taste tests once the product syrup in its box in the cellars begins to finish stock wise, or may lack Gas, both requiring changing, that the concentrated version via Hand Held guns, is far sweeter than the Bottled or Canned equivalent. One or two brands too, tend to have an almost "soapy" taste, but when customers use a Cola as a mixer, then any negative taste isn't noticeable.

Over the past 2 years or so, what with Obesity and Sugar issues being highlighted, I have noticed a shift in tastes, in that more people are shifting over to Low Calorie or Sugar Free versions of drinks. We've all no doubt read of Media reports about people complaining like mad about major changes to their favourite soft drinks brands to revised reduced or no sugar versions! Irn-Bru was a typical example, where regular drinkers went and stockpiled their full sugar version in protest; had any one of them thought once their stockpile had reduced to nothing, they'd have to revert to the newer version? In my mind, the taste difference was negligible.

One last fact about Coca-Cola, which if read from a physical perspective, makes one wonder whether the full strength version actually harms our digestive systems. In the USA, where in some of their manufacturing plants, the Cola Syrup is actually made at separate sites and transported by road to the Bottling site, by tankers holding up to 30,000 litres of the stuff in each tank.

Each trailer tank is manufactured in Stainless Steel, as is common within the Food Industry, but Coca-Cola have found from experience, they can only run these trailers for a maximum of 1 year, before they have to dispose of them as the inside surfaces, despite very regular cleaning, have corroded so badly, they've become unfit for safe transportation.

 

[Oldvatr]

This was interesting reading, as I work within the Hospitality and Hotel Industry, hold my Personal Licence and been a Licensee since 1990, and obviously have come into daily working contact with such drinks. Plus, as a Scot, I have always had a tendency to possess a Sweet Tooth, but since being diagnosed as Diabetic T2 back in 2006, I have altered my drinking habits, especially with Soft Drinks and Cola's in particular.

Almost all licensed premises, plus cafes, restaurants and so on will have Soft Drinks dispensed via the Hand Held Dispenser, or "gun" as we know it in the trade. But I am sure, from taste tests once the product syrup in its box in the cellars begins to finish stock wise, or may lack Gas, both requiring changing, that the concentrated version via Hand Held guns, is far sweeter than the Bottled or Canned equivalent. One or two brands too, tend to have an almost "soapy" taste, but when customers use a Cola as a mixer, then any negative taste isn't noticeable.

Over the past 2 years or so, what with Obesity and Sugar issues being highlighted, I have noticed a shift in tastes, in that more people are shifting over to Low Calorie or Sugar Free versions of drinks. We've all no doubt read of Media reports about people complaining like mad about major changes to their favourite soft drinks brands to revised reduced or no sugar versions! Irn-Bru was a typical example, where regular drinkers went and stockpiled their full sugar version in protest; had any one of them thought once their stockpile had reduced to nothing, they'd have to revert to the newer version? In my mind, the taste difference was negligible.

One last fact about Coca-Cola, which if read from a physical perspective, makes one wonder whether the full strength version actually harms our digestive systems. In the USA, where in some of their manufacturing plants, the Cola Syrup is actually made at separate sites and transported by road to the Bottling site, by tankers holding up to 30,000 litres of the stuff in each tank.

Each trailer tank is manufactured in Stainless Steel, as is common within the Food Industry, but Coca-Cola have found from experience, they can only run these trailers for a maximum of 1 year, before they have to dispose of them as the inside surfaces, despite very regular cleaning, have corroded so badly, they've become unfit for safe transportation.

As an adjunct to your last point, my uncle was a dental surgeon, and he used to keep a bottle of coke in a window in his surgery. When asked why he said it was to dispose of molars he extracted, since the average molar lasted about 3 days in the bottle. Every so often he would refill it snce it had become full of unwanted fillings that had to be disposed of as hazardous waste (mercury amalgam in his time) He demonstrated to his younger clientele that fizzy drinks are bad by shaking the bottle and rattling it in front of them. I was impressed, However, I think my plastic ones will last a bit longer, (single use plastic, the bane of crematoriam managers) My teeth are like stars - they come out at night... Boom Boom!