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Strange mid morning numbers

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Margarettt

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
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Diet only
Over the past four weeks or so I've only had a couple of low 8s and they have been connected to dawn phenomenen so not really a problem.
For the last three days I have had a peculiar mid morning rise.
Yesterday it was 8.1 om waking at 6.30 then 6.8 at 7am before breakfast and 8.1 two hours later. Yoghurt and a couple of strawberries has never done this before so I tested again at 10.30am and it was 8.9. By lunchtime I was at 5.4 and 5s and 6s the rest of the day.
Similar picture today 7.9 om waking 5.7 an hour later but two hours later after breakfast it was 9. I haven't seen a nine since I started low carb six weeks ago and poached egg and salmon has never spiked me. By lunchtime it was back to 6
I understand that it varies weather , illness stress etc.but I'm not eating or doing anything new and find a three day run of random higher mid morning readings bizarre and if I'm honest a bit frustrating.
Any thoughts?
 
Margarettt said:
Over the past four weeks or so I've only had a couple of low 8s and they have been connected to dawn phenomenen so not really a problem.
For the last three days I have had a peculiar mid morning rise.
Yesterday it was 8.1 om waking at 6.30 then 6.8 at 7am before breakfast and 8.1 two hours later. Yoghurt and a couple of strawberries has never done this before so I tested again at 10.30am and it was 8.9. By lunchtime I was at 5.4 and 5s and 6s the rest of the day.
Similar picture today 7.9 om waking 5.7 an hour later but two hours later after breakfast it was 9. I haven't seen a nine since I started low carb six weeks ago and poached egg and salmon has never spiked me. By lunchtime it was back to 6
I understand that it varies weather , illness stress etc.but I'm not eating or doing anything new and find a three day run of random higher mid morning readings bizarre and if I'm honest a bit frustrating.
Any thoughts?
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Can't be 100% certain but in my early days I had a similar sort of random ups and downs for no particular reason. I now think it was my liver not being very sure about topping up my BG - sometimes yes, sometimes no. Lasted a few weeks.

After a bit it gets used to lower levels and the flipp-flopping stops. Give it a few weeks - I think it's generally a good sign that your liver is starting to adjust.
 
KennyA said:
Give it a few weeks - I think it's generally a good sign that your liver is starting to adjust.
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Thanks @KennyA That is reassuring. I woke up to 8.8 this morning. These recent random numbers are absolutely the highest in the six weeks since I have been diagnosed and low carb so I suppose it is making me feel a bit defeated. Nevertheless I have lost 8lb and I am enjoying the food so onwards it is.
 
Margarettt said:
Thanks @KennyA That is reassuring. I woke up to 8.8 this morning. These recent random numbers are absolutely the highest in the six weeks since I have been diagnosed and low carb so I suppose it is making me feel a bit defeated. Nevertheless I have lost 8lb and I am enjoying the food so onwards it is.
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Morning readings were always my highest anyway, so after a bit I rarely bothered, because there was nothing I could do about them. I think I've taken a morning reading maybe once in the last two years, and that was only after a particularly interesting and unusual night.
 
Just a thought, any activities that could account for the higher numbers, gardening, housework, even the stress of navigating the morning traffic or a disagreement with someone can affect levels.
 
catinahat said:
Just a thought, any activities that could account for the higher numbers, gardening, housework, even the stress of navigating the morning traffic or a disagreement with someone can affect levels.
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Thanks @catinahat . I do understand that and I understand the dawn and foot on the floor stuff (even though it annoys me) but there has been nothing at all different ( I sneezed once yesterday and thought aha maybe I'm going to be ill but no)and the past three days there has been a big rise between breakfast and mid morning to numbers I've never had yet it is food that normally stays flat numbers or even drops. By lunchtime its back down to 5s.
Its perplexing. I'll just have to wait it out like @KennyA says.
 
Margarettt said:
Thanks @catinahat . I do understand that and I understand the dawn and foot on the floor stuff (even though it annoys me) but there has been nothing at all different ( I sneezed once yesterday and thought aha maybe I'm going to be ill but no)and the past three days there has been a big rise between breakfast and mid morning to numbers I've never had yet it is food that normally stays flat numbers or even drops. By lunchtime its back down to 5s.
Its perplexing. I'll just have to wait it out like @KennyA says.
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In addition to what @KennyA said, I'd also add that if you're going as low carb as I think I remember you saying on other threads, you're changing how your body functions for its primary energy source.

If you're under 20g of carbs per day, it takes 2-3 months for your body and its cells to fully adapt to primarily using fat for energy. The liver can always make glucose and it can dump it out into your system whenever it deems necessary. It could be that during this phase of adapting, where you don't have the carbs you've been previously used to, your liver is what could be described as "on the wonk" (can you believe I'm not a qualified doctor?! :) ) and releasing glucose into your system due to the morning's activity.
 
Paul_ said:
If you're under 20g of carbs per day, it takes 2-3 months for your body and its cells to fully adapt to primarily using fat for energy. The liver can always make glucose and it can dump it out into your system whenever it deems necessary. It could be that during this phase of adapting, where you don't have the carbs you've been previously used to, your liver is what could be described as "on the wonk" (can you believe I'm not a qualified doctor?! :) ) and releasing glucose into your system due to the morning's activity.
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You're probably right. I'm always under 20g mostly under 10g so my insides won't have the first clue whats going on.Lets hope, as I'm prone to saying about my almost grown children, "its a phase"
 
Margarettt said:
You're probably right. I'm always under 20g mostly under 10g so my insides won't have the first clue whats going on.Lets hope, as I'm prone to saying about my almost grown children, "its a phase"
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If you're not eating the carbs but your BG is rising, there are really only two probable options: 1) dodgy BG meter reading, which while possible, is less likely if it occurs often, or 2) it's something your liver is doing.

I've tried reassuring my liver that I'm never getting up out of bed to run a marathon, so it should maybe chill out a bit, but it doesn't seem to want to listen. Probably taking revenge on me for how I treated it in my younger years! :)
 
Paul_ said:
I've tried reassuring my liver that I'm never getting up out of bed to run a marathon, so it should maybe chill out a bit, but it doesn't seem to want to listen. Probably taking revenge on me for how I treated it in my younger years! :)
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Aha..... Maybe mine knows I'm gearing up for the mad dash sprint to the loo!
 
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