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Sugar Tax

chris lowe said:
Wish he would! He really gets on my nerves telling us what we should & shouldn't be doing. If he does happen to read any posts
can I just say to him "mind your own *€$%#>¥ business"
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Chris on the rampage lol, yes , Mr Jamie Oliver can be very annoying
 
I think we forget that the peasants from middle ages up to victorian times existed on a diet primarily consisting of potage and gruel. Bread was a luxury. Meat was usually poached~(as in stolen) or purloined (as in stolen) since most of the populace did not own or have rights to cultivate pasture. The advent of strip farming opened things up a bit (aka allotments today) but generally the 'upper classes' or 'gentry' made sure they kept the best for themselves. Seems this practice survives today.

The peasant diet was carb intensive.
http://people.eku.edu/resorc/Medieval_peasant_diet.htm
http://www.victorianweb.org/science/health/health8.html
 
It seems reasonable to assume that as a formerly diagnosed T2, non-medicated - for anything, without any form of condition (thankfully) to qualify me for an exemption certificate, I will have a differing viewpoint to those with T1 or serious co-morbidities, but it strikes me that a bit of expanded thinking could be useful in certain instances.

Having never knowingly had a hypo, and certainly never a serious one, I cannot know what it feels like to do so, however surely if an individual is experiencing very frequent hypos that needs to be addressed by other means than drinking sugary drinks? I don't necessarily mean during the hypo itself, but a review of the preventative steps the individual could employ, whether that be diet, medication, testing or any other relevant factors.

Where I have greatest issue is where individuals are looking for support for their preferred way of managing their blood sugars during regular exercise and the like. I find it much harder to oooooooze much empathy there. That an individual chooses to exercise is clearly good, but again, if hypos, or near hypos, are being induced by the exercise, could there be an alternative to necessarily a fizzy drink - whether by exploring earlier feeding or drinking non-taxable fluids?

Sadly, the NHS is financially very strapped. I don't believe it is financially stable enough to support lifestyle choices which could be incredibly open to abuse. How many bottles of Lucozade are appropriate to prescribe a month, or is it "as required"?

I read somewhere (but can't find the time or inclination this morning to dig back through and find where) that the estimated cost of the levy would be about 8p. Would an extra 8p for a bottle of Lucozade really prevent anyone going to the gym, or having a run, when those activities involve other costs too, such as subscriptions and decent footware?
 
History Cookbook
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Victorian Food Picture Gallery

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The Victorians valued good cooking and food.
However, there were great differences between what the rich and poorer people ate. More

The rich ate a tremendous amount and wasted even more. This wastage was at a time when a large proportion of the population were living on bread, dripping, vegetables and tea.
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The diet of the very poor was terrible.
The unemployed, and others with little money, survived on little more than potato parings, rotten vegetable refuse and scraps. More

For the destitute, hunger often forced them to seek a place in the workhouse where a diet of potatoes, cheese, bread and gruel was provided.
3

Those employed on better wages and farm labourers ate reasonably well.
Those on a slightly higher wage could occasionally purchase some bacon, cheese or sausage and workers in better-paid jobs had more choice and more wholesome food. More

There would be meat for the main midday meal and a lighter evening meal of cheese and bacon. In rural areas, farm labourers ate bread and vegetables such as onions, turnips or potatoes, with cheese or bacon two or three times a week.
 

I concur with you Sir. The history is there. It has even been known to be highlighted by certain "socially conscious" authors too!



The "great unwashed" didn't spend the time dancing about with cheeky faces, singing about sausages...
 
My wife got suckered enough by the TV adverts to buy a JO Xmas cookbook. I was shocked to the core over what JO considered to be healthy eating. I chucked it in the bin.
Not only was it bad dietary wise, it was very, very expensive and used obscure ingredients that the Supermart did not stock, and which could only be obtained mail order from high class retailers (Fortnum & Masons etc). Total waste of space IMHO
 
or faggots! I think that even the not-so-great, but washed, had it a bit rough too. Personally my informative years occurred in parallel with sugar rationing, followed swiftly by parent rationing, then pocket money insufficiency. I have developed a sweet tooth in adulthood, then lost them all in older age. I can live without added sugar, so have a biased opinion in this debate.
 
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Jaylee said:
They did during the Vetnam war. According to the musical "Hair".
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Wasn't that a different type of faggot they were singing about? So PC in those days.

EDIT: USA call our culinary masterpiece meatballs or rissoles, but you have to be careful how you say it.
 
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I am puzzled why you quoted my post before you wrote the above.
Thought I made my point clearly.
It was all about keeping a sense of perspective.
 
Oldvatr said:
Wasn't that a different type of faggot they were singing about? So PC in those days.
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In fairness, the song was about same sex interracial relationship barriers being broken down. So quite PC.. & a little "light relief" from the tunes about getting stoned...
Though this was overshadowed by the main plot about young men getting "drafted" into a war & sent to certain death...
 
I've had same bottle of lucozade in my kit bag for about 4 months. If I spread the cost of the 8p it's 4p per month. I'm not going to be evicted over that. It was off by the way but sugar is sugar so hey ho and crack on with the spin class.
We are not victims. We have diabetes. We get free prescriptions on insulin. If you are having that many hypos that buying lucozade will put you behind with your rent or mortgage please go back to the hospital/ clinic and get advice.
I feel the need to shout "won't someone think of the children!"

LMAO 2p per month!
 
Ok my point on the history has been lost, totally! I was not saying that history was perfect, nor was I saying thy everyone had it cushy! My point was solely on the sugar intake!
 
Brunneria said:
I am puzzled why you quoted my post before you wrote the above.
Thought I made my point clearly.
It was all about keeping a sense of perspective.
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My apologies I seem to have quoted the wrong post there! I I read several there trying to change the way in which many deal with their hypos that must pressed reply at the wrong thing!
 
RoseofSharon said:
Ok my point on the history has been lost, totally! I was not saying that history was perfect, nor was I saying thy everyone had it cushy! My point was solely on the sugar intake!
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Your "point in history" may have traveled back In time just before the Big Bang. Thus ripping the very fabric of space causing a reality paradox. Affecting your perception of this dimension...

 
Nothing nicer than a feast icecream (ok-its 20 carbs-a little OTT) when hypo...

I just can't believe that I'm the only one that doesn't stick to horrible lucozade and that I actually treat myself!!
Next to my bed I have sugar cubes but also kendal tablet..
Kendal tablet needs less than a 1cm square to stave off a hypo and just sits in a paper bag... Even at night if hypo I count it as a treat... And that means no faffing around unscrewing bottles tops and gulping too much.

Years ago when I had unrecognised night hypo hubby just got milk n sugar in a tommee tippee mug for me..-again easy peasy... And I will take it like a baby..

I don't know why people are so riled up about tax on lucozade. Its beyond me...
 
What about milk shakes from the fast food chains? 88g of carbs for a large shake. Normal had with a large fries and burger. Lol. Sugar me that.
 
Nuck said:
What about milk shakes from the fast food chains? 88g of carbs for a large shake. Normal had with a large fries and burger. Lol. Sugar me that.
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Yes my kids used to skyrocket on Nesquik shakes, and we actually banned them (the shakes, not the kids).

At the moment there is no plan to raise levvy on soft drinks made with milk, but, like many here. I too raise an eyebrow on this.

Are you in mourning for McD? I found that I can actually eat the occasional takeaway now, now my liver has dumped most of its excess stores of glycogen (the burger is ok, just dump the bap.).
 
I tend to steer clear of the shakes. My son is 9 and so quick meals between activities are required. Mostly we eat healthy. I do sense an air of desperation from the Chancellor. He has no where to go, the additional tax I pay on the sensors gets my back up. I feel I am and will continue to be a burden on the health service unless they get a cure for T1.
I am happy to take the place of the poor mice I keep reading about.
 
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