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PNJB

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Location
Hertfordshire
Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Tablets (oral)
I have been T2 since 2011, and try to eat a low carb diet.I spent a number of years on Metformin and Gliclazide, before adding Sitagliptin to control my BG. I also have High Blood pressure (typically 147 /101) and peripheral pneuropathy in the right foot and an artificial left hip limiting mobility. My fasting BG is usually around 8.5 each morning before meal or tablets and stays progressively higher during the day, . From an all ready too high starting point which rises after I eat food, what can I do to lower my BG effectively? Any tips would be helpful.
 
What do you mean by try to eat a low carb diet, do you sin occasionally like me or every day


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There are many interpretations of a LC diet @PNJB and you have to find a level of carbs that suits you and your meter.
If you read around the forum you will see that member's intake of carbs varies from 20 and up to 150 and they all describe themselves as a LCer.
If you have not read it yet, I suggest you read the advice that @daisy1 forwards to new members. I have tagged her to include it in this thread.
Finding an eating plan that you enjoy and which stabilises your blood sugars is what you should be aiming for. Other members will tell you what they can and cannot eat but we are all unique in our reactions to carbohydrates. There is no blueprint that will work for everyone.
Sometimes medication for other conditions will have an impact on out blood sugars as will stress, lack of or too much exercise.
Tell us what you would eat in a typical day, what you eat for snacks and treats and then I am sure we can all try and help you to get those numbers down.
 
If you give us some idea of your meals in a typical day we may be able to spot something and help you.
Blood sugar control is basically down to dietary choices.
 
What do you mean by try to eat a low carb diet, do you sin occasionally like me or every day


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I do eat a low carb diet which I monitor on "My Fitness Pal", and am quite skilled in this, and eat approx 150 carbs per day. I compensate for this with enhanced protein. However still need a way to reduce my too high BG even before eating anything.
 
If you give us some idea of your meals in a typical day we may be able to spot something and help you.
Blood sugar control is basically down to dietary choices.
I recognise the link between eating and BG butafter sleeping (fasting) for 8 hours I wake with a too high BG before food! Here is my yesterdays consumption.
 

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I recognise the link between eating and BG butafter sleeping (fasting) for 8 hours I wake with a too high BG before food! Here is my yesterdays consumption.

What jumps out at me are the peas and carrots, both of which are high carb and eaten together will cause problems. There are many other vegetables you could switch to. I can't eat carrots at all, but I can manage a few peas. My meter tells me this.

We all have different carb thresholds, and I suggest that 150g is too high for you. I reduced my carb consumption gradually over about 12 months, but had to get right down to 30g before I saw normal levels all day. Please don't worry about your FBG. It is best to concentrate on your rise from before a meal to a couple of hours after a meal and keep this rise as low as possible. Once you crack that your before readings will come down. The FBG is usually the last to come down, and sometimes in some people never does reach "normal". (Whatever normal is) because many factors affect it, and many of these are outside our control. In my opinion it is the least important reading of the day.

Remember also that a certain amount of protein is also converted to glucose.
 
@PNJB

Hello and welcome to the forum :) Here is the information, mentioned above, which we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you’ll find over 150,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.
There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates

Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

Another option is to replace ‘white carbohydrates’ (such as white bread, white rice, white flour etc) with whole grain varieties. The idea behind having whole grain varieties is that the carbohydrates get broken down slower than the white varieties –and these are said to have a lower glycaemic index.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/food/diabetes-and-whole-grains.html

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes

LOW CARB PROGRAM:
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/low carb program


Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to bloodglucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
Hi. Can you let us know your BMI/weight? Have you lost weight over recent months without trying?

My BMI is 38 (Obese) and this morning I weighed in at 131.4Kg. (Height 6ft 1 ")

I lost weight following a hip replacement operation but sadly this has had no lasting impact. My GP offset 1/2 of my Gliclazide with a Sitagliptin replacement to counter the weight increase.
 
Thank you for your guidance BlueTit. It was enlightening. The reason I aimed for 120 - 150g Carbs was because thhis 10 week programme called for that in week 1 (I was eating more carbs and less protein before this.) I am however now confused. 150g Peas = 23 carbs and 250g Carrots =21 carbs (which is my main meal of the day) Further, If I eat an apple and a pear and an orange in a day I would be consuming another 57 carbs a day. Should I be ignoring health advice to consume 5 a day? Should I REALLY attempt to survive on 30 carbs per day? What would eat to remain healthy? Advice gratefully received.
Could you show me a typical days menu for you?
 
You might want to consider lower carb fruits and veggies, for example...

Swap your peas and carrots for a lower carb veg like cabbage or broccoli.

Swap your apple and pear to raspberries and blueberries et voila! 4 of your 5 a day and much lower carbs

Have a look at menu suggestions in the LCHF threads.
 
Thank you 1abRat!

I will try this suggestion, and als I have noticed Bluetit and others have an egg only for breakfast, whilst others just have coffee. I will also try these to seek improvement. I will check out LCHF threads as suggested. ♥
 
Thank you for your guidance BlueTit. It was enlightening. The reason I aimed for 120 - 150g Carbs was because thhis 10 week programme called for that in week 1 (I was eating more carbs and less protein before this.) I am however now confused. 150g Peas = 23 carbs and 250g Carrots =21 carbs (which is my main meal of the day) Further, If I eat an apple and a pear and an orange in a day I would be consuming another 57 carbs a day. Should I be ignoring health advice to consume 5 a day? Should I REALLY attempt to survive on 30 carbs per day? What would eat to remain healthy? Advice gratefully received.
Could you show me a typical days menu for you?

Yes @1abRat is right. Just change the veg and fruit you eat to lower carb ones. Berries are lower carb, and generally speaking veggies that grow above ground rather than root veg. You can still get your 5 a day this way.

I survive on up to 30g carbs a day, but I need to in order to meet my personal threshold. That's not to say I don't have a bit more than this occasionally. I am human after all!. Some folk on here survive on a lot less than 30g.

Yesterday I had:
breakfast - a soft boiled egg and a mug of tea
lunch - 2 boiled eggs with lots of real mayo, salad leaves, half a dozen cherry toms, half a Lidl high protein roll toasted with lots of butter and a mug of tea.
dinner - roast chicken, cauliflower, broccoli, peas (!), 2 small roast spuds, very tiny dollop of Bisto gravy, red wine, coffee with cream.
No fruit yesterday, but most days I have full fat Greek yogurt with either 2 strawberries or a few raspberries. I am not a big fruit eater.
 
Yes @1abRat is right. Just change the veg and fruit you eat to lower carb ones. Berries are lower carb, and generally speaking veggies that grow above ground rather than root veg. You can still get your 5 a day this way.

I survive on up to 30g carbs a day, but I need to in order to meet my personal threshold. That's not to say I don't have a bit more than this occasionally. I am human after all!. Some folk on here survive on a lot less than 30g.

Yesterday I had:
breakfast - a soft boiled egg and a mug of tea
lunch - 2 boiled eggs with lots of real mayo, salad leaves, half a dozen cherry toms, half a Lidl high protein roll toasted with lots of butter and a mug of tea.
dinner - roast chicken, cauliflower, broccoli, peas (!), 2 small roast spuds, very tiny dollop of Bisto gravy, red wine, coffee with cream.
No fruit yesterday, but most days I have full fat Greek yogurt with either 2 strawberries or a few raspberries. I am not a big fruit eater.
Thank you 1abRat and BlueTit, I will use this as a trial and see how I get on. (Many Thanx) ♥
 
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