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Superfoods: The real story

Emmotha

Emmotha

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watchig a channel 4 show on catch up about superfoods. This bit was on the GI index. Thought it was interesting as it compared BG results in normal ppl eating white rice then quinoa.

Interesting because they spiked over 10 for some time
 
We need more research on how non-diabetics react to carbs. My own husband spikes to double figures an hour or so after a carb laden meal, although he does return to base by 2 to 3 hours. He is not diabetic and normally runs in the 4's apart from after meals.
 
They definately need to do more research into non diabetic's BS after eating carbs, I think it would help diabetics more than anyone else to know this type of information. I have tried to test the non diabetics in our household but they are all scared of the lancet (chickens)
 
Well those graphs look like textbook examples of how carbs are supposed to be metabolised. Key thing is that non-diabetics get the spike under control pretty fast.
 
Thanks @Emmotha and @NoCrbs4Me

And what an interesting study - which entirely backs up my not-very-scientific stabbings of the long suffering MrB.

Here's the paragraph that caught my eye:
In our study, tissue glucose concentrations in nondiabetic subjects were below 140 mg/dl during 99.2% of the total day, whereas other studies investigating continuous glucose profiles in type 1 and type 2 diabetic patients demonstrated that glucose concentrations were above 140 mg/dl during about 60% of the total day24 or above 180 mg/dl during about 30% of the total day,25 respectively. Postprandial hyperglycemic excursions are a major problem, and increasing efforts are recommended to reduce postprandial hyperglycemia in diabetic patients.26 Regarding the recent availability of continuous glucose monitoring devices with an online display of glucose concentrations, interstitial fluid glucose values will be integrated in therapeutic decisions more and more. However, up until now postprandial interstitial glucose target ranges have not been defined.

Clearly the length of time the bg is high is key.

The last time o had a sandwich and a scone, it took 5 hours to get back to my pre-prandial level. Not ideal, eh? And the main reason i hardly do bread any more...
 
While this topic is on let me add my experiment done yesterday
For a change me and my wife had same food she had slightly less quantity of rice and she agreed to test with me
She's non diabetic who's just had her a1c done at 30 and gtt was clear too

So I started at 5.3 before meal
5.5 after 30 mins
6.5 after 1 hour
6.1 after 1.5 hour
5.5 after 2 hours

My wife
Since she only agreed after having food
6.7 after 1 hour
6.2 after 2 hours

She wouldn't let me touch her finger in the morning to do fasting I was ready with the blood spitting machine, kept running after her but she wouldn't let me near her :blackeye::oops::p. Bless her
Only reason I did this was we both had exactly same food which was white rice and beans which I think is very high carb food to have.
 
brettsza said:
While this topic is on let me add my experiment done yesterday
For a change me and my wife had same food she had slightly less quantity of rice and she agreed to test with me
She's non diabetic who's just had her a1c done at 30 and gtt was clear too

So I started at 5.3 before meal
5.5 after 30 mins
6.5 after 1 hour
6.1 after 1.5 hour
5.5 after 2 hours

My wife
Since she only agreed after having food
6.7 after 1 hour
6.2 after 2 hours

She wouldn't let me touch her finger in the morning to do fasting I was ready with the blood spitting machine, kept running after her but she wouldn't let me near her :blackeye::oops::p. Bless her
Only reason I did this was we both had exactly same food which was white rice and beans which I think is very high carb food to have.
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Doesn't matter if it's high carb if u control it that well! Good work
 
Emmotha said:
Doesn't matter if it's high carb if u control it that well! Good work
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Well, it might matter. We are not measuring insulin levels, so if your pancreas is pumping out a massive amount of insulin in order to overcome insulin resistance we would have no idea that this is happening. That is not good even with normal blood glucose levels. Long before a type 2's blood glucose levels rise, insulin levels rise.
 
It also matters a great deal if type 1s are only testing before food.

We've had numerous type 1 posts on here saying 'i've been told that it doesn't matter what i spike to, so long as i am back in range by the time i need to test before my next meal.'
 
One of the reasons why there is very limited knowledge to how a non diabetic study is done, is as often said on this forum. Is because, we are all unique in our own way, it is, we all digest food differently and at different rates and our reaction to all the different types and make up of food, it is very difficult to even do a true study, even in laboratory conditions! As 1 gram of food either way will skew the results.
The health watchdogs have come up with the definition of being diabetic or prediabetic, as at a certain blood glucose level on a hba1c test. And as we know, from some knowledgeable posters on here, there are those who don't adhere to the guidelines.
Even a OGTT, not my favourite! Can be different from one day to another.

As a non diabetic, my endocrine system works differently than a diabetic, but it's no use, having me as a test subject, as I also 'react' differently to a non diabetic.

Yes I'm weird! But for arguments sake. If a non diabetic, eats a high carb meal, and the digestion is quick because of that, the body compensates till the next meal, if the same non diabetic eats a low carb meal, his body again compensates till the next meal time, because most likely the body is in balance and the endocrine system works exactly how it should.
In a person including myself who has an imbalance in how my endocrine system works, then
Insulin, glycogen, glucose, alpha cells, beta cells, the liver etc all work different from a non diabetic and we all, yes all, are different to how we react to food.

We can only recommend, reducing the sugars, reducing the carbs, increasing the protein and fat and the exercise.

That is why, doctors, especially, GPS, haven't got a clue and go with the flow on diabetic treatment.

Superfoods are what's in fashion, just like the latest celebrity.
Food is food! And everybody has different tastes and we learn our eating habits from our parent's, and what they ate. Also on how much they could afford to spend on food.

On a side note, it has been reported locally in the Merseyside area, that food bank usage has increased by over ten thousand in the last five years.
And the number of children in poverty has increased ten fold in the same period.
How much fresh food are these people getting?

Real shocking and shameful figures for the eighth richest country in the world!
 
Brunneria said:
It also matters a great deal if type 1s are only testing before food.

We've had numerous type 1 posts on here saying 'i've been told that it doesn't matter what i spike to, so long as i am back in range by the time i need to test before my next meal.'
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Yes but he tested every half an hour after his meal and managed his spike
 
As you can see, i was referring to type 1s who are told to manage their diabetes without post prandial testing.

Brettsza is, from his profile, a diet controlled type 2, and an ND survivor ;) so he didn't have a spike.
 
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Just to let you know I have finished newcastle diet and since finishing that I don't see the spikes I used to see post high carb meal earlier. That was my biggest reason to do nd in first place as I only started it at a non diabetic a1c. All is well since then. Hoping it stays that way.
 
brettsza said:
Just to let you know I have finished newcastle diet and since finishing that I don't see the spikes I used to see post high carb meal earlier. That was my biggest reason to do nd in first place as I only started it at a non diabetic a1c. All is well since then. Hoping it stays that way.
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Awesome self control and brilliant results. Again, good work!
 
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