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T1 - moving through the family

alhubb said:
There is certainly not enough evidence to advise parents to avoid it.
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There most certainly is, let parents decide for themselves selves and do no with hold information, because of a personal bias.
I am in the middle of something now, I will get back with a list of research later
 
AngelaLynch said:
There most certainly is, let parents decide for themselves selves and do no with hold information, because of a personal bias.
I am in the middle of something now, I will get back with a list of research later
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I am glad its being discussed, I keep finding diabetic people who have never heard of it. It needs to be in the conversation and parents need to know. I think your explanation is pretty much the same as my claim, just a different way of saying it.
 
@AngelaLynch no one is with holding information, the paper quoted above is a published research article. The issue is more of empirical evidence, type 1 is obviously an incredibly complicated condition and with a myriad of factors involved and boiling it down to moving from breast feeding to cows milk seems too simplistic, especially considering the research paper itself states that all other environmental factors etc were disregarded in the study and were cautious in their own conclusions. It also does not explain those who develop type 1 in their teens, 20s, 30s etc.

Secondly, of course parent's have every right to decide for themselves in terms of breast feeding their baby or not, but it does not mean that academics/healthcare professionals need to pass on all research done on a topic to them to make a decision. Academics/healthcare professionals are better placed to way up the facts and look at the evidence to make the decision. Research topics like this and notoriously complicated and contradictory and would serve no purpose passing on all the info to parents.
 
@azure is there an alternative to BM. For those who can't "express"? Because let's face it. Any mum with issues on this front may feel a little "inadequate" reading this thread... Does that white powdered stuff not do the same job.? ;)

Yarp, I'm addressing @AngelaLynch too... o_O

By the way! As a 5/6 year old I fell down a flight of stairs like a cowboy in a "western bar fight".. This "trauma" was also said by a "professional" to be a contributing factor to my diagnosis..
They will tell parents anything. ;)
 
alhubb said:
@AngelaLynch no one is with holding information, the paper quoted above is a published research article. The issue is more of empirical evidence, type 1 is obviously an incredibly complicated condition and with a myriad of factors involved and boiling it down to moving from breast feeding to cows milk seems too simplistic, especially considering the research paper itself states that all other environmental factors etc were disregarded in the study and were cautious in their own conclusions. It also does not explain those who develop type 1 in their teens, 20s, 30s etc.

Secondly, of course parent's have every right to decide for themselves in terms of breast feeding their baby or not, but it does not mean that academics/healthcare professionals need to pass on all research done on a topic to them to make a decision. Academics/healthcare professionals are better placed to way up the facts and look at the evidence to make the decision. Research topics like this and notoriously complicated and contradictory and would serve no purpose passing on all the info to parents.
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People in their teen and twenties also consume dairy products, and this information is not widely known and should be.
 
AngelaLynch said:
People in their teen and twenties also consume dairy products, and this information is not widely known and should be.
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Yes, they do, but obviously there are a lot of other factors involved otherwise everyone with a genetic predisposition to type 1 would become type 1 after they start consuming milk, which does not happy. There are some people who are genetically predisposed to type 1 that never seroconvert. As I said, unless there is empirical evidence to prove that cows milk causes seroconversion, healthcare professionals cannot categorically say that it cows milk can cause type 1. Correlation does not mean causation
 
AngelaLynch said:
People in their teen and twenties also consume dairy products, and this information is not widely known and should be.
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I don't see why it should be widely known as there's no concrete evidence to suggest that type 1 is caused by diary consumption, I've known about the cow's milk theory since the early 80's but it didn't deter me from allowing my children to consume milk (and other diary products) when they were little.
 
mahola said:
Well, even if cow's milk is a trigger for T1, it's a bit late for us now. I never even realised I had the potential to develop diabetes nor my daughter. Nobody else in my family has it. What's done is done.
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Its not to late to warn people, and make it part of the conversation
 
My now teenager was feed through a tube at first, I was too ill to even see her in scbu, but when I started to get better I was able to express milk (not a massive amount compared to some of the other mum's) and this was given to her, until I was able to feed her myself full time. Looking at her now, she appears to be a picture of health and I hope it will continue :happy:
My sister, who is 13 months younger than me, had exactly the same family meals and plenty of milk too, it was free when we were at school and she doesn't have type, I am one of five children and we were all bottle fed.
 
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Robinredbreast said:
My now teenager was feed through a tube at first, I was too ill to even see her in scbu, but when I started to get better I was able to express milk (not a massive amount compared to some of the other mum's) and this was given to her, until I was able to feed her myself full time. Looking at her now, she appears to be a picture of health and I hope it will continue :happy:
My sister, who is 13 months younger than me, had exactly the same family meals and plenty of milk too, it was free when we were at school and she doesn't have type, I am one of five children and we were all bottle fed.
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Hey! Everyone had school milk in the 70s.. I turned out to be the only D "in the village." ;)
Put that together with a "trip" down the stairs, an interest in West end musicals & ballet.. &'you may just have a cause..?!
 
Jaylee said:
Hey! Everyone had school milk in the 70s.. I turned out to be the only D "in the village." ;)
Put that together with a "trip" down the stairs, an interest in West end musicals & ballet.. &'you may just have a cause..?!
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And 80s!
 
Jaylee said:
Hey! Everyone had school milk in the 70s.. I turned out to be the only D "in the village." ;)
Put that together with a "trip" down the stairs, an interest in West end musicals & ballet.. &'you may just have a cause..?!
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Exactly, on the highlighted sentence.............. but no idea about the second one lol :wideyed:
 
Robinredbreast said:
My now teenager was feed through a tube at first, I was too ill to even see her in scbu, but when I started to get better I was able to express milk (not a massive amount compared to some of the other mum's) and this was given to her, until I was able to feed her myself full time. Looking at her now, she appears to be a picture of health and I hope it will continue :happy:
My sister, who is 13 months younger than me, had exactly the same family meals and plenty of milk too, it was free when we were at school and she doesn't have type, I am one of five children and we were all bottle fed.
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When you do a study, you get a large group and then you can see if people/children in that have more chance of developing diabetes depending on what it is you are studying. You might look at milk consumption, or viruses. I am not saying if I drink milk I will get type 1 diabetes, but that the evidence is that milk is a big trigger in producing it, as a % of large groups. It also seem that there are 2 sorts of casein from 2 sorts of cow, one inducing autoimmune disease and one not. Who knows, but if I had a small child and it was in my family I would want to know the risk. In fact milk is so bad for you I do not go any where near it. It is implicated in assorts of disease. One person does not make a survey. I am 1 of 7 children and none of us has diabetes and we all had milk at school to. Others were not so lucky, so spread the word. Remember it seems to be a combination of genes, viruses and dairy or other factors, but the evidence is strong against milk.
 
Jaylee said:
Hey! Everyone had school milk in the 70s.. I turned out to be the only D "in the village." ;)
Put that together with a "trip" down the stairs, an interest in West end musicals & ballet.. &'you may just have a cause..?!
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Are there any peer reviewed studies of trips down the stairs
 
Robinredbreast said:
Exactly, on the highlighted sentence.............. but no idea about the second one lol :wideyed:
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If got no idea about the second one either... Just suggesting it's more a dodgy "hand of cards" more than just "one thing"..? ;)
 
@AngelaLynch Believe me, people with Type 1 do think about the causes - a lot!

Milk is one possible trigger, but other possible causes are wheat/gluten/gliadin, viruses, etc.

I believe the cause of Type 1 is a cascade of events and not one simple cause.
 
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