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rab5

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Hi Folks,

Well it appears I have t2 diabetes. I have my first consult tomorrow at 9am. From what little information I have gleaned they will offer me tablets etc etc. Ask me to lose weight etc etc

I dont know if I should be worried. My test for HbA1c was 50 doesnt seem that bad . Having said that I dont know what good is lol.

I have always been reasonably fit and active apart from past 3 yrs due to back injury. My father was t2 and my sister is also T2.

Im not happy doing the usual tablets/diet regime. I want to cut out carbs completely and try and reverse this as much as can be achieved through food. Has anyone else been succesful at this

Cheers for all your help and advice in advance

regards

Rab
 
Heaps have stepped across those cobblestones :)

You must have some carbs ...minimal if you can, but zero and totally out of your diet? Just not possible. At least I know of no-one who could / has done that with their health in mind. 50 HbA1c? Pretty good and not far away at all. Aim is low 40s, 30s even better

Welcome by the way

Mike
 
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50 is OK. mine was 52 at time of diagnosis, so we are/were in the "good control" zone. If you are in the good control zone, the medics will probably not prescribe any drugs - they did not for me, recomending that i control it through diet.
I initially cut a lot of the sweets/biscuits etc from my diet - this dropped by HbA1c to 48 in Oct. I then went on a Low carb diet (75g per day) and my HbA1C was 44 a few weeks back (and I lost weight). For me Diet helped a lot, I am now concentrating on exercise.

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Hi Folks,


Im not happy doing the usual tablets/diet regime. I want to cut out carbs completely and try and reverse this as much as can be achieved through food. Has anyone else been succesful at this

Cheers for all your help and advice in advance

regards

Rab

Yep followed your plan now have HbA1c's in the high 20's.
Take control of your own health and feel so much better for it.
I did what you want to do and cut out as many carbs as I could.. not quite zero as even my double cream has a few carbs and you'll have to pry that out of my cold dead hand...
 
......I dont know if I should be worried. My test for HbA1c was 50 doesnt seem that bad . Having said that I dont know what good is lol

Rab

I wouldn’t be too worried as your result is only just into the diabetic range. However you do need to take it seriously. At that level you may not need meds and could ask for a trial of diet only. Cutting carbs to under 100g a day should make a good start, then after a few weeks consider dropping further. I did that and avoided carb or keto flu which is when your body objects to a sudden cut in carbs.
Another important tool that loads of us use is to monitor our own blood sugars to see which particular foods shoot our sugars up. I doubt you’ll get a monitor and test strips on prescription but it might be worth asking, some Type 2s are lucky with their request.
 
Yep followed your plan now have HbA1c's in the high 20's.
Take control of your own health and feel so much better for it.
I did what you want to do and cut out as many carbs as I could.. not quite zero as even my double cream has a few carbs and you'll have to pry that out of my cold dead hand...

This may well prove to be a stupid comment. If your Ac1 is in the high 20s are you still classed as diabetic. Apologies if thats a stupid question

Rab
 
This may well prove to be a stupid comment. If your Ac1 is in the high 20s are you still classed as diabetic. Apologies if thats a stupid question

Rab

No question is stupid here. Many people like myself achieve non diabetic HbA1cs. Me, I don’t consider myself as not having Diabetes anymore. I consider myself very well controlled. Others use terms like ‘in remission’ or ‘reversed’. The reason I don’t consider myself cured is that if I stop my meds and reverted to my previous eating habits my HbA1c would creep back up again.
 
This may well prove to be a stupid comment. If your Ac1 is in the high 20s are you still classed as diabetic. Apologies if thats a stupid question

Rab
Not a stupid comment at all there have been lots of threads about "cured" "reversed" "in remission" or "well controlled".
If I went to a new doctor and they tested me I guess they would say I don't have Type 2.
However If I went back to eating what I used to I'm pretty sure that I would gain back the weight I've lost and start getting elevated blood sugars. Which would be stupid.
I consider myself to be well controlled and aim to maintain that for life by following a ketogenic way of eating.
 
Hi Folks,

Well it appears I have t2 diabetes. I have my first consult tomorrow at 9am. From what little information I have gleaned they will offer me tablets etc etc. Ask me to lose weight etc etc

I dont know if I should be worried. My test for HbA1c was 50 doesnt seem that bad . Having said that I dont know what good is lol.

I have always been reasonably fit and active apart from past 3 yrs due to back injury. My father was t2 and my sister is also T2.

Im not happy doing the usual tablets/diet regime. I want to cut out carbs completely and try and reverse this as much as can be achieved through food. Has anyone else been succesful at this

Cheers for all your help and advice in advance

regards

Rab
Hi and welcome,
I was diagnosed type 2 Oct last year, by the time I had my first appointment I had already started to make some changes to my diet but wasn't aware of the low carb way of life.
My initial 2 HbA1c readings were 95 then 87 at the time of my appointment a finger prick test taken after food and drink (didn't know I was going to be tested) this was 76
I wasn't offered any medication or a monitor, was told it wasn't necessary to test! and to follow a healthy well balanced diet and try to do some exercise.
After doing my own research as I discovered the low carb way and have done really well. I started with trying to keep carbs around 80 to 100 grams now less than 50 grams, upped my exercise and bought myself a monitor. When I went for my first check up almost 2 weeks ago my results were 45 = pre diabetic range, almost 3 stone lighter and feeling really well.

Good luck with your appointment tomorrow hope all goes well.
 
When you see your doctor and if he mentions medication, all you need do is ask for the chance to lower your levels through diet before he medicates you. Doctors vary in what they do. My HbA1c was 53 on diagnosis, but medication wasn't mentioned. Just diet.

Another thing you can do is ask for a print out of your blood test results. These are important for us, and not just the HbA1c but the cholesterol levels, lipids, kidney and liver functions. It isn't good enough to accept "they are all fine" from the doctor - they may well be within normal range but teetering on the edge of not being, which most GPs never notice. You also need to have them in black and white to compare with all the future tests you will be having. If you are in England you can also ask how to register for test results on-line (all England surgeries were told to do this)
 
I eat up to 50 gm of carbs a day, mostly from fresh veges and frozen fruit - though I do get Lidl protein rolls when there are any for sale,
I have normal test results from the hospital and also my meter, so I just stick to my way of eating. I much prefer the foods I can eat now, and although I only have a limited ability to cope with extra carbs, and when stressed my levels rise dramatically, so I am still diabetic, my day to day coping is at normal levels.
I could go down to almost no carbs, but all the choices I make are for the nutrition which I get along with the carbs I can manage.
 
@rab5

Hello Rab5 and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
Had my appointment today with the diabetes nurse specialist........

Didnt really go well.
Refused to supply me a blood glucose meter due to the 'fact' they are so inaccurate???
When I stated I was going down the route of low carb diet told me my body needed carbs, that my liver doesnt make glucose, and losing weight needs to be done very slowly to work.
I refused the offer of seeing the dietician, I explained I could accomplish the weight loss on my lonesome.
I asked for a copy of my bloods was told they were ok apart from low B12. Didnt get a copy

To be honest I have learned more here than she appeared to know. Maybe Im still angry lol

ah well the adventure begins
 
Had my appointment today with the diabetes nurse specialist........

Didnt really go well.
Refused to supply me a blood glucose meter due to the 'fact' they are so inaccurate???
When I stated I was going down the route of low carb diet told me my body needed carbs, that my liver doesnt make glucose, and losing weight needs to be done very slowly to work.
I refused the offer of seeing the dietician, I explained I could accomplish the weight loss on my lonesome.
I asked for a copy of my bloods was told they were ok apart from low B12. Didnt get a copy

To be honest I have learned more here than she appeared to know. Maybe Im still angry lol

ah well the adventure begins
Similar experience to mine. I was told, NHS can’t afford meters and it’s not important to test, eat well balanced diet including fruit and jacket potato and try to get out of breath through exercise at least 2 times per week. Was also offered educational sessions! What part of being employed full time makes them think we can just take time off to listen to advice that for the most part is common sense but also probably isn’t the best advice for us. Needless to say after finding this site and the diet doctor website I chose to ignore everything I was told at my appointment, started to eat LCHF, bought a meter and decided on my own exercise plan which I complete as often as I can. Fast forward 3 months to my first check up, almost 3 stone light and pre diabetic HbA1c results. To say she was amazed is an understatement, she asked what I’d done, as soon as I mentioned lowering my carb intake she said “yes carbs can be bad for you”!!!!!
 
The comment that Carbs were essential nutrients and the liver doesnt or cant make glucose just blew my mind. Maybe Im being too hard. Im back in 3 months. So maybe I can confound her with good results
 
Hi Folks,

Well it appears I have t2 diabetes. I have my first consult tomorrow at 9am. From what little information I have gleaned they will offer me tablets etc etc. Ask me to lose weight etc etc

I dont know if I should be worried. My test for HbA1c was 50 doesnt seem that bad . Having said that I dont know what good is lol.

I have always been reasonably fit and active apart from past 3 yrs due to back injury. My father was t2 and my sister is also T2.

Im not happy doing the usual tablets/diet regime. I want to cut out carbs completely and try and reverse this as much as can be achieved through food. Has anyone else been succesful at this

Cheers for all your help and advice in advance

regards

Rab

Hope this helps
https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb
 
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