T2 tantrum…

lucylocket61

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I was diagnosed T2 in July 2021, I have spent hours reading the great advice on here and other sites/forums, I have attended an ‘educational’ webinar prescribed by my GP, I have used a Libre2 to gain an understanding of how different foods effect my glucose readings, I have brought a couple of good books and read them from cover to cover, I have spoken to family members who are also T2, so I have the information, advice and know what I need to do and here is the problem; my brain has gone into rebel mode and I just want everything that I know I need to avoid. My OH tries gently to remind me but I have had a couple of real meltdowns, almost stamping my feet. Hopefully this is just a phase that I need to work trough before I fully accept how controlled I need to be.
How are you doing now with the feelings? Nothing wrong with stamping your feet, attacking a pillow or even throwing yourself on the ground and having a full blown tantrum - it can be surprisingly therapeutic : )
 
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McHelen

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How are you doing now with the feelings? Nothing wrong with stamping your feet, attacking a pillow or even throwing yourself on the ground and having a full blown tantrum - it can be surprisingly therapeutic : )

I am feeling very determined at the moment. I am more organised and I am attacking each day rather than trying to reconcile ‘the rest of my life’ perspective. I am 54 and it never ceases to amaze me that we still revert to child like feelings from time to time. You are right though, a good shout, stamping of feet and gnashing of teeth does make you feel good occasionally!
 
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Marianne67

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I am feeling very determined at the moment. I am more organised and I am attacking each day rather than trying to reconcile ‘the rest of my life’ perspective. I am 54 and it never ceases to amaze me that we still revert to child like feelings from time to time. You are right though, a good shout, stamping of feet and gnashing of teeth does make you feel good occasionally!

Hi,
I am 54 too. Diagnosed 14th September when my very sore foot turned out to actually be a deep diabetic foot ulcer and my HBC1A was 104! I was admitted to hospital for IV antibiotics and foot care. Retested 29/09/21 with HBA1C 92. I totally understand the shock of it. I am doing low card and IF and like you just taking it one day at a time to care for myself and process it. Hoping my next HBC1C is much much better in December when it will be retested. My foot ulcer is healed now, thankfully, but I have to wear insoles that I am waiting for before they will let me back to work.

We have got this!
 

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Hi,
I am 54 too. Diagnosed 14th September when my very sore foot turned out to actually be a deep diabetic foot ulcer and my HBC1A was 104! I was admitted to hospital for IV antibiotics and foot care. Retested 29/09/21 with HBA1C 92. I totally understand the shock of it. I am doing low card and IF and like you just taking it one day at a time to care for myself and process it. Hoping my next HBC1C is much much better in December when it will be retested. My foot ulcer is healed now, thankfully, but I have to wear insoles that I am waiting for before they will let me back to work.

We have got this!
Hi Marrianne76, I am so glad your foot is on the mend. I have my next HbA1C tomorrow, so we’ll see where we are at. I have experienced a couple of big spikes (32mmol/l) but no ketones in my urine. Let us know how you are getting on, it’s nice to have buddy!!!
 
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Hi Marrianne76, I am so glad your foot is on the mend. I have my next HbA1C tomorrow, so we’ll see where we are at. I have experienced a couple of big spikes (32mmol/l) but no ketones in my urine. Let us know how you are getting on, it’s nice to have buddy!!!
Thanks, I feel very lucky that it healed so fast! Good luck for tomorrow’s test. It is good to have a buddy :)
 

Marianne67

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Hi Marrianne76, I am so glad your foot is on the mend. I have my next HbA1C tomorrow, so we’ll see where we are at. I have experienced a couple of big spikes (32mmol/l) but no ketones in my urine. Let us know how you are getting on, it’s nice to have buddy!!!

Hi Helen, thought I would check in and see how you are doing?
 

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To be fair to DUK whose carbfests I attended, They were fundraising rather than educating on those occasions, so the raffle was designed to be a honey trap for rich nondiabetics to part with their money. This is something that the other site is known for.

If you ring their local office (as I have done in the past) they seem to assume you are offering a donation, and their first question is how much? Same with their website - it is peppered with popups asking for donations. I gave up on that site when I got moderated off the forum for advocating LCHF as a possible way to remission.

I find this site here to be more diverse and welcoming, though you can still find yourself being shouted at on the forum, and rustication (banning) is also used on occasions.
i am a volunteer for the DuK and sadly I agree with you. They are terribly cautious with dietary advice and really want us volunteers to focus on rattling tins having recently cancelled the national campaign to Know Your Risk.
We carry on with Walking and Peer Support Group in which we definitely don't recommend high carb/low fat but talk about the other options e.g. Roy Taylor's diet and low carb.
They are a large national charity and beset by all the issues that come with justifying their existence whilst not challenging the nutritional status quo or upsetting Big Food. Covid has definitely put a dampener on their local activities since most volunteers are older type 2s.
 
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I was diagnosed T2 in July 2021, I have spent hours reading the great advice on here and other sites/forums, I have attended an ‘educational’ webinar prescribed by my GP, I have used a Libre2 to gain an understanding of how different foods effect my glucose readings, I have brought a couple of good books and read them from cover to cover, I have spoken to family members who are also T2, so I have the information, advice and know what I need to do and here is the problem; my brain has gone into rebel mode and I just want everything that I know I need to avoid. My OH tries gently to remind me but I have had a couple of real meltdowns, almost stamping my feet. Hopefully this is just a phase that I need to work trough before I fully accept how controlled I need to be.
I never thought about getting angry - despite being a man who can jump into a rage with the best of them when the slightest silly little thing on my paddy list sets me off...lol... Instead, I decided that I was going to beat diabetes and show it who was in charge of this body.... I'm just 65 years of age (going on 28) and was diagnosed on 5th April of 2021, after being admitted to Hospital with back pain, feeling tired, and a shortness of breath when doing physical work - turns out I was having a heart attack - My initial HbA1c (which meant absolutely nothing to me, was 63). there has to my knowledge not been any history of diabetes in my family...seems I'm the first... So, having smoked (hand rolling tobacco) for most of my life - 50+ years - the first thing I did on 6th April 2021 after my first night in Hospital, was stop smoking - cold turkey - and have not smoked since. The next thing I did, not knowing anything what so ever about diabetes, was try and find out as much info as I could...essentially I found it quite difficult to get good info, and my Doctor and local health support team provided some (but it was not a lot of good to be honest), but mainly I was asked to do an on-line education course, provided with a meter and a few test sticks (which I was not able to get more of when they ran out - as Doctors in my area will not prescibe them - its a money saving effort!)... Then I had a great deal of luck...I had a phone call from a specialist Diabetes Nurse who introduced herself as Cay...and we immediately hit it off... Cay proved to be my guardian angel...she would call me each week and stay on the line for as long as I wanted to talk...she had an encyclopedic knowledge of all things diabetes, and without doubt saved both my soul, mind, and maybe my life too...I love this lady and she deserves a medal... By this stage I had just discovered a study done by Newcastle University on putting T2 into remission through weight loss and exercise, by loosing between 10% and 15% of your bodyweight and exercising...
Firstly, to lose weight, Cay I put me onto Carbs & Cals - if you dont know what this is, look it up - its a series of books on weight loss but especially for diabetics, with all the info you need on Carbs, Cals, Fat, Sat Fats, Protein etc for just about every food you can imagine...and they are a really good source of information (type Carbs & Cals into Amazon or a search engine). I went onto the Carbs & Cals extra low (800 calories a day) calorie diet, using their book and recipes, started walking every day, and riding a bike as well...and lost 56lbs + and saw my HbA1C going down, until my last test on 6th October 2021, when my HbA1c came back at 37 (or 5.5 mmol/l), and confirmed I had got into remission.
My Doctor called me with the results and immediately told me to stop taking metformin, as it was no longer needed... over the next week or so I saw my B/G rise a little, but it steadied back down once my body got used to not being on the drug any more...all I have to do now is maintain it, keep the weight off, keep getting some exercise, and stay in remission... So far as food is concerned I'm pretty good at eating what I should be having...and I recently thought I would try a Keto diet, low carb and high fat...although I must admit I have had a bit of a time trying to get into Ketosis...only managing to get 'trace' ketosis when using test sticks you have to pee on...I am fat adapted now...having been easting all the right Keto stuff, and actually consuming almost no carbs most days...and enjoying Bullet Coffees in the mid-morning - made with butter (25g) extra-virgin coconut oil (25g) or 2 tablespoons of MCT Oil (which is ruddy expensive), one tablespoon of double cream, and some good quality coffee 1/2 ground coffee beans and 1/2 normal freeze dried instant coffee...boiling water added and mixed in a 'Bullet' mixer for a few seconds...absolutely delicious...yum... I am now about to try fasting for longer than 24 hours...doing up to 72 hours or longer, having read a book by Dr Jason Fung on the subject - whats not to like...fasting seems to be the ideal thing to do to really hit diabetes where it hurts, and has great outcomes for your health... you just have to try it...

Yes, I have suprised myself...I went from initial despare, with the help of Cay, to being able to cope on my own and not only manage an 800 calorie a day diet and the exercise, but go on to achieve getting into rermission, as I set out to do, as soon as I found out it was possible...

No way was I going to sit back, suck up to the Doctors and just do as I was told and take my pills and attend my appointments, and probably get worse - "it is a progresive disease" is the first thing my doctor told me - like he expected me to do exactly that, and get worse, and develop more serious problems...and probably end up in an early grave...shows how little he knew about me...!!

So dont get angry with anyone, its not they're fault your a diabetic is it... If you want to get angry, get angry with the disease and continue to show it who's boss... and yes, take some advice and treat yourself once in a while, after all, we still have a life to lead...well, if we've bothered to beat it into remission we have...and its not that difficult is it...so no more thinking something or someone owes you...just get on with it, and never give up...take pride in your ability to put diabetes in its place and stay on top...
 
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Oldvatr

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I never thought about getting angry - despite being a man who can jump into a rage with the best of them when the slightest silly little thing on my paddy list sets me off...lol... Instead, I decided that I was going to beat diabetes and show it who was in charge of this body.... I'm just 65 years of age (going on 28) and was diagnosed on 5th April of 2021, after being admitted to Hospital with back pain, feeling tired, and a shortness of breath when doing physical work - turns out I was having a heart attack - My initial HbA1c (which meant absolutely nothing to me, was 63). there has to my knowledge not been any history of diabetes in my family...seems I'm the first... So, having smoked (hand rolling tobacco) for most of my life - 50+ years - the first thing I did on 6th April 2021 after my first night in Hospital, was stop smoking - cold turkey - and have not smoked since. The next thing I did, not knowing anything what so ever about diabetes, was try and find out as much info as I could...essentially I found it quite difficult to get good info, and my Doctor and local health support team provided some (but it was not a lot of good to be honest), but mainly I was asked to do an on-line education course, provided with a meter and a few test sticks (which I was not able to get more of when they ran out - as Doctors in my area will not prescibe them - its a money saving effort!)... Then I had a great deal of luck...I had a phone call from a specialist Diabetes Nurse who introduced herself as Cay...and we immediately hit it off... Cay proved to be my guardian angel...she would call me each week and stay on the line for as long as I wanted to talk...she had an encyclopedic knowledge of all things diabetes, and without doubt saved both my soul, mind, and maybe my life too...I love this lady and she deserves a medal... By this stage I had just discovered a study done by Newcastle University on putting T2 into remission through weight loss and exercise, by loosing between 10% and 15% of your bodyweight and exercising...
Firstly, to lose weight, Cay I put me onto Carbs & Cals - if you dont know what this is, look it up - its a series of books on weight loss but especially for diabetics, with all the info you need on Carbs, Cals, Fat, Sat Fats, Protein etc for just about every food you can imagine...and they are a really good source of information (type Carbs & Cals into Amazon or a search engine). I went onto the Carbs & Cals extra low (800 calories a day) calorie diet, using their book and recipes, started walking every day, and riding a bike as well...and lost 56lbs + and saw my HbA1C going down, until my last test on 6th October 2021, when my HbA1c came back at 37 (or 5.5 mmol/l), and confirmed I had got into remission.
My Doctor called me with the results and immediately told me to stop taking metformin, as it was no longer needed... over the next week or so I saw my B/G rise a little, but it steadied back down once my body got used to not being on the drug any more...all I have to do now is maintain it, keep the weight off, keep getting some exercise, and stay in remission... So far as food is concerned I'm pretty good at eating what I should be having...and I recently thought I would try a Keto diet, low carb and high fat...although I must admit I have had a bit of a time trying to get into Ketosis...only managing to get 'trace' ketosis when using test sticks you have to pee on...I am fat adapted now...having been easting all the right Keto stuff, and actually consuming almost no carbs most days...and enjoying Bullet Coffees in the mid-morning - made with butter (25g) extra-virgin coconut oil (25g) or 2 tablespoons of MCT Oil (which is ruddy expensive), one tablespoon of double cream, and some good quality coffee 1/2 ground coffee beans and 1/2 normal freeze dried instant coffee...boiling water added and mixed in a 'Bullet' mixer for a few seconds...absolutely delicious...yum... I am now about to try fasting for longer than 24 hours...doing up to 72 hours or longer, having read a book by Dr Jason Fung on the subject - whats not to like...fasting seems to be the ideal thing to do to really hit diabetes where it hurts, and has great outcomes for your health... you just have to try it...

Yes, I have suprised myself...I went from initial despare, with the help of Cay, to being able to cope on my own and not only manage an 800 calorie a day diet and the exercise, but go on to achieve getting into rermission, as I set out to do, as soon as I found out it was possible...

No way was I going to sit back, suck up to the Doctors and just do as I was told and take my pills and attend my appointments, and probably get worse - "it is a progresive disease" is the first thing my doctor told me - like he expected me to do exactly that, and get worse, and develop more serious problems...and probably end up in an early grave...shows how little he knew about me...!!

So dont get angry with anyone, its not they're fault your a diabetic is it... If you want to get angry, get angry with the disease and continue to show it who's boss... and yes, take some advice and treat yourself once in a while, after all, we still have a life to lead...well, if we've bothered to beat it into remission we have...and its not that difficult is it...so no more thinking something or someone owes you...just get on with it, and never give up...take pride in your ability to put diabetes in its place and stay on top...
Well done. Nice soft landing it seems. No keto flu etc. With an HbA1c of 37, you may not need fasting. I would keep it for rainy days ahead if they happen. By all means study it, but without test strips you are flying blind, so take care and just concentrate on diet and possibly some exercise like walking. Now you are in the right place, you can afford to just go into maintenance mode and see how it goes. well done on stopping the smoking. That took me quite a while, but I went cold turkey too and it worked. The ggod thing about being diabetic is that now you get good service in respect of blood tests and reviews, so your heart issue will be covered too

As a fellow heart sufferer, can i recommend the Pioppi diet, which is a low carb version of the Meditrerranean supported by the cardiologist Aseem Malhotra specifically for his heart patients. It is not keto but medium carb. I am using it myself (well, sort of) and I am more relaxed about things since. My daily average got pushed up a bit when my doc stopped my diabetic meds, but i am back into the 5 - 7 mmol/l range, so also in a good place even with tatties and toast. And i am an Old Hand of 30 years diabetes experience not newly DX'ed.
 

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I am 54 and it never ceases to amaze me that we still revert to child like feelings from time to time.

It neither amazes or surprises me. Adults, imo, are just older children and I believe it's to the detriment of the entire human-race that our inherent child-like nature is something that we are expected to grow out of. At nearly 50, inside I'm still the same kid I always was. Still have doubts, fears, a need to play and experience unbridled joy; Still the same need to be nurtured, loved and feel safe. I know I'm not alone.

Not saying that we should ditch all worldly responsibilities, sensibilities and the wisdom normally accrued over the years. Just that we'd do well to keep in touch with that inner-child

So, yeah...a +1 on tantrums
 

Oldvatr

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It neither amazes or surprises me. Adults, imo, are just older children and I believe it's to the detriment of the entire human-race that our inherent child-like nature is something that we are expected to grow out of. At nearly 50, inside I'm still the same kid I always was. Still have doubts, fears, a need to play and experience unbridled joy; Still the same need to be nurtured, loved and feel safe. I know I'm not alone.

Not saying that we should ditch all worldly responsibilities, sensibilities and the wisdom normally accrued over the years. Just that we'd do well to keep in touch with that inner-child

So, yeah...a +1 on tantrums
I am reminded of that meme of Trump throwing a tantrum in the kindergarten class when it was time to leave.