The Art of Applying Common Sense - LDL, puritans, vegetarianism & statinss

[CherryAA]

Call me a cynic , however when an organisation announces a major tie in with a church , and then shortly thereafter starts putting out pronouncements confirming the church's teachings, then I find it rather difficult to accept that somehow or other those two matter are entirely unconnected and that there has been no incentive whatsoever to do so. I cannot pretend to know exactly how that state of affairs is reached or via which channels!

I'm assuming you mean the catholic church. I can see why The World Health Organisation (I hope we're talking about the same thing) have carelessly omitted their connection to the catholic church in their document entitled Voluntary contributions by fund and contributor, at least I didn't see it. I did find this: Vatican Control of World Health Organization Policy: An Interview with Milton P. Siege. Now I see what you mean. Things are never straight forward are they?

Yes I do mean the same WHO. I actually mean the 7th Day adventists, who dominate the research funded largely by outfits like Kellogs, which was founded by them , however in practice one should not assume that these various groups operate in isolation , hence the Oldways conference ( the True Health Intiative funded by Barilla pasta and Oldways ) taking place in the Vatican.

All wheels within wheels in an economic circle of which we as private punters have no conception what is happening and unfortunately neither do governments

 

[DavidGrahamJones]

dominate the research funded largely by outfits like Kellogs, which was founded by them

Shame the WHO don't mention them. Kellogg now owned by Kraft, an even bigger evil.

 

[CherryAA]

Shame the WHO don't mention them. Kellogg now owned by Kraft, an even bigger evil.

Yes Kellog the only outfit refusing to adopt the traffic light system in the UK ! - which frankly isn't worth much but shows the mind set !

 

[first14808]

Yes I do mean the same WHO. I actually mean the 7th Day adventists, who dominate the research funded largely by outfits like Kellogs, which was founded by them , however in practice one should not assume that these various groups operate in isolation , hence the Oldways conference ( the True Health Intiative funded by Barilla pasta and Oldways ) taking place in the Vatican.

To be fair, the Vatican does have a science branch, and one of the world's oldest observatorys. Typically staffed by the Jesuits though, who are sometimes viewed with suspicion by the other Catholic orders. But the Catholics aren't the only religion piling on with this message:-

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/oct/26/palm-oil-initiative-carbon-emissions

Eating meat could become as socially unacceptable as drink-driving because of the impact it has on global warming, according to a senior authority on climate change.

Lord Stern of Brentford, former adviser to the government on the economics of climate change, said people will have to consider turning vegetarian to help reduce global carbon emissions.

"Meat is a wasteful use of water and creates a lot of greenhouse gases. It puts enormous pressure on the world's resources. A vegetarian diet is better," Stern said.

So there's pressure from many angles. Stern's view is perhaps more dangerous as he's been influential and frequently wrong. Like here, where he overlooks the water stress that would come from switching to vegetarian diets. That's already an issue in places like Florida and California, which grow and export a lot of soft fruits, which essentially means exporting those state's fresh water. It also overlooks the role of animals in converting otherwise unproductive farmland into useful protein, eg hillside sheep and goat farming.

I think the problem is there are some who want to force their views onto others. If people decide to be vegetarian for health or ethical reasons, that's fair enough. It's their choice. Where it gets dangerous is when they start lobbying.

 

[JohnEGreen]

Vatican Control of World Health Organization Policy: An Interview with Milton P. Siege.

I found this profoundly disturbing as a Catholic. The Vatican has a perfect right to instruct it's congregation on the teachings of the church and to give guidance to those who are members of that congregation but I feel that it does not have the right to dictate the choices available to the wider population who are not members of that faith The WHO should be an independent body able to discuss all matters that it feels affect health,