Maybe, but way take the risk of eating the carbs.....
Are you talking severe calorie restricted keto diets or regular keto diets? Eating keto doesn't really make you lose LBM at least not to the extent that starvation does.. if at all.if the Biggest Loser contestants in the well known study did everything they did except instead were on keto diets, would that be enough to make their outcomes so different in terms of RMR and weight regain?
Are you talking severe calorie restricted keto diets or regular keto diets? Eating keto doesn't really make you lose LBM at least not to the extent that starvation does.. if at all.
Or torture......so I guess it could be classed as severe calorie restriction?
Or torture...
Not even a little bit.For public entertainment. Times haven't really changed have they?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44368601 an article about the Truth About Carbs show.
On the BBC website there is information about the Carbs program. The most interesting bit for me was they are saying that if you cook rice and potatoes allow it to cool then reheat the well known problems have been dealt with, but in the case of rice it needs to be piping hot. Also on the same vein if you freeze bread then toast it the same effect is noticed. Does this mean boil in the bag rice is ok? Please read the full article on the website.hi,
Just wondering if anyone saw the discussion this evening? Unfortunately I caught the final 30 seconds but gather they were talking about diet controlled diabetes? They also mentioned that a documentary will be shown tomorrow evening, might be worth watching.
Well then I would suggest that you just keep on doing what you have been doing for the last two years. After all the info on the BBC site may be new to many but not to most people here.I am grateful to this site as a result of LCHF my blood sugars are within normal range and off diabetes medication for over two years
I know on a personal level thats what I do. You got me thinking. I can be quite the little zealot when it comes to LCHF.... so from now on I will not be so fundamentalist in my views. Then again how boring would that be on these forums!!!!We may have to keep reminding ourselves that these programmes are aimed at the general population and not specifically at those with Diabetes or those who use lower carb diets to manage their conditions.
It may turn out to be great for non Diabetics which is a good thing.
Thank you for posting this comment. I too have to remind myself that there are other ways of doing things that are equally valid for others to use, I am also aware that there is a big wide world out there and this is just a small window onto it. We forum dwellers here represent a minority point of view, and can form bias that detracts from the message we want to get across by being fundamentalist, as you put it.I know on a personal level thats what I do. You got me thinking. I can be quite the little zealot when it comes to LCHF.... so from now on I will not be so fundamentalist in my views. Then again how boring would that be on these forums!!!!
I am also aware that there is a big wide world out there and this is just a small window onto it.
Woops! I welcome robust discussion on the forum too, and I was brung up in the era of debating societies so had practice that others here probably did not experience. I used LCHF successfully for a while, but then started getting hypos as I reduced my meds, so decided to run it just above keto threshold. I now use fasting to drop me back into keto mode when I need to. I find being fat adapted helps me deal with the occasional hypo by allowing my brain to operate at lower bgl levels than it used to, so for me it was a useful experience. But I was also starting to lose too much blubber from my derriere which made sitting in the bath a tad uncomfortable, so now I have a more relaxed approach to carbs, and have found that my IR is much better now. So I support LCHF, but it is no longer a one horse race in my eyes.Cheers for that. I have been on this journey since Feb 2018. I have been fit all my life but last few years (back injury and laziness) things got out of hand, however I digress!
The LCHF I knew about but never tried. As my circumstances changed I went for it. It worked. I think when something as dramatic as the keto life works for you you can be evangelical and its not a bad thing but people respond differently to the way they want to be spoken to. Dont take this the wrong way anyone... but I dont actually care what people say to me on here or in life in general. So at times I probably come across abrupt its nothing personal, but I also think people are too sensitive about things on forums. Maybe too protective.
We are all capable of clanish behaviour..... but if you disagree with someone then say it, and your reasons for it. We are all entitled to our opinions... but not our own facts.
That escalated quickly lmao
Know what you mean. Last night I had a blazing row with my daughter regarding an article she read out on the dangers of protein, especially animal protein. The article was describing the Finnish trial into protein that was recently published, and I have posted it in its own thread here on the Forum.Too true. I was guilty of talking about my eating plan to a non-diabetic very fit friend, and later discovered I had sent her into a spell of depression because she assumed I was "getting at her" for eating bananas and bread. She is a very healthy vegetarian eater, doesn't eat processed rubbish etc etc. Apparently I really upset her, as that was never my intention.
controversial.. how many vegetarians can she manage a day..?She is a very healthy vegetarian eater
I think an interesting question is: if the Biggest Loser contestants in the well known study did everything they did except instead were on keto diets, would that be enough to make their outcomes so different in terms of RMR and weight regain? In a nutshell, they lost lean mass while taking part in the show, but then regained a fair bit but that didn't help raise their RMRs. Would keto have made all the difference?
I think there could be a lot more to it than purely muscle mass.
Exactly unlike the Eatwell which has little to no evidence to support it yet it is the orthodoxy.. a sad state of affairs.I think this is where LCHF and keto fall at the moment, especially as they're contrary to the official 'Eatwell' guidance. But there have been more studies and trials showing benefits, and often no clinically significant harm, so there's growing pressure for official acceptance.
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