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gettingamoveon

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I had blood drawn on 4 June and an HbA1c of 10, which was a shock.

I was told I would probably need to begin drug treatment.

I immediately went on a ketogenic diet and started a programme of regular exercise.

Today I got my new HbA1c results (blood drawn on 18 July): 7.3

I'm encouraged. I suppose it's also possible that my control is slightly better than the results suggest as the two tests were only 6 weeks apart. Could anyone advise on this?

In any case, as many people here have testified, it seems that this is the way to go for T2 diabetes.

I'm interested to hear what the diabetes nurse says when I have my first appointment with her next week. I will, of course, ignore her if she tells me to go back on the crumpets.

Good luck, everyone.
 
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Hello and welcome. The HbA1c is an average of three months but the important bit is the last 4-6 weeks so you have definitely made the improvement on your own (well done) and this is not some lab error.

Tagging @daisy1 for the info pack offered to all newbies. Have a wander around and ask as many questions as you like.
 
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Hi gettingamoveon, welcome and well done on your progress so far. I similarly had my first review sooner than the generally accepted 12 weeks, mine was at 8 weeks, so like you would have had some older glucose laden red blood cells still. On a low carb diet I went from an HbA1c of 8.5% (70) to 6.2% (45). I then had the next test after a further 8 weeks and I was down to 5.5% (36) a non diabetic level. Forwarned is forarmed with the nurse, yes crumpets are definitely off the menu!
 
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I immediately went on a ketogenic diet
Good plan.. have you thought in a few weeks of maybe trying to skip a meal to do some intermittent fasting too? Or maybe you are doing that already. Having a limited eating window can also work wonders in lowering errant blood glucose levels.
 

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Good plan.. have you thought in a few weeks of maybe trying to skip a meal to do some intermittent fasting too? Or maybe you are doing that already. Having a limited eating window can also work wonders in lowering errant blood glucose levels.

Yes, about two weeks ago I started doing this, after reading a debunking of the 'breakfast is the most important meal of the day' myth. (Not that I've ever been that bothered about breakfast). I try to fast 18 hours and eat in a 6 hour window, but this is not always compatible with my lifestyle. However, I can always manage 16:8 and am surprised how easy it is. I rarely feel hungry or have cravings.

It's early days for me, I know, but my feeling is that there is something inherently sad about a diet based on eating the same foods in smaller portions. I've always failed eventually on such diets. A diet based on principles like 'I do not eat sugar, bread, rice or pasta' (but I can eat my fill of cheese, meat, fish, nuts, butter ...) or 'I do not eat breakfast' seems easier to stick to.
 
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Yes, about two weeks ago I started doing this, after reading a debunking of the 'breakfast is the most important meal of the day' myth. (Not that I've ever been that bothered about breakfast). I try to fast 18 hours and eat in a 6 hour window, but this is not always compatible with my lifestyle. However, I can always manage 16:8 and am surprised how easy it is. I rarely feel hungry or have cravings.

It's early days for me, I know, but my feeling is that there is something inherently sad about a diet based on eating the same foods in smaller portions. I've always failed eventually on such diets. A diet based on principles like 'I do not eat sugar, bread, rice or pasta' (but I can eat my fill of cheese, meat, fish, nuts, butter ...) or 'I do not eat breakfast' seems easier to stick to.
Completely agree... who can;t follow a diet where eggs and bacon , steak and cheese and coffee with cream are staples..?
I've found it quite easy and have even cut down on veg recently to try a mostly carnivore way of eating which is going ok although weight loss is still very slow..
 

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Completely agree... who can;t follow a diet where eggs and bacon , steak and cheese and coffee with cream are staples..?
I've found it quite easy and have even cut down on veg recently to try a mostly carnivore way of eating which is going ok although weight loss is still very slow..

I suppose you were inspired by Shawn Baker? I must say he looks well on his carnivore diet.
 

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I suppose you were inspired by Shawn Baker? I must say he looks well on his carnivore diet.
In fact no but I have seen him around.. There are quite a few people here who do it. And quite a few others in the social media world whom I follow. It suits my way of eating well and I never especially liked veg anyway so no hardship to miss them out.
Edit to add I wouldn't complain if I had his body of course!
 
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Hello and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask as many questions as you want and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

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Welcome to the forum @gettingamoveon. The next question for you is do you have your own bg meter? If you do then you can check which foods cause spikes in your own body, we are all different and our bodies can tolerate different things in moderation and some not at all. If you keep a note of the results of your tests you will be able to monitor how you are progressing. I use a simple spreadsheet and still keep a weekly note of weight, body measurements and where marked mood swings occur. Best wishes on this new adventure.
 

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I'm somewhat averse to the monitoring, and am absolutely not the kind of person who is fond (or even capable) of maintaining accurate spreadsheets. But I know I need to consider this. My plan was simply to continue with the LCHF, weight loss and exercise and see what the next HbA1C result says. If it's normal, then carry on. If it's disappointing, then start using a meter. Is this a reasonable plan? I don't eat sugar or carbs except those found in non-starchy vegetables, but perhaps unexpected things can cause spikes?
 

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Completely agree... who can;t follow a diet where eggs and bacon , steak and cheese and coffee with cream are staples..?
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Unfortunately, I can't. :( There is a limit to how much fat my digestion can deal with. I suspect some others, particularly those with gallbladder problems will be the same.
Which is a shame because the taste of those high fat foods, and the satiety they give can't be beaten.
 

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I'm somewhat averse to the monitoring, and am absolutely not the kind of person who is fond (or even capable) of maintaining accurate spreadsheets. But I know I need to consider this. My plan was simply to continue with the LCHF, weight loss and exercise and see what the next HbA1C result says. If it's normal, then carry on. If it's disappointing, then start using a meter. Is this a reasonable plan? I don't eat sugar or carbs except those found in non-starchy vegetables, but perhaps unexpected things can cause spikes?

There are an awful lot of hidden carbs in foods. But more importantly each of us can react quite differently to the same foods. Monitoring will tell you exactly which foods spike your blood glucose levels and will even tell you if portion sizes of certain foods makes a difference. It makes the learning process so much quicker than relying on the A1c which, without a record of what you are eating and its corresponding readings, only tells you if you are improving in very general terms or not.