Fast forward 3 months I believe 2 out of 11 got diabetes again. Those are great numbers..
But the fact remains that 11 out of 11 where essentially cured by the end of the study
I just came across this article it's a good read.. and has a study that has had people with over 20 years t2d reverse
Also it brings up the point I was looking at.. how those that had BARIATRIC surgery had reversed their T2D BEFORE any weight loss occurred. Incredibly interesting...
https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/well/2016/04/18/hope-for-reversing-type-2-diabetes/?referer=
I think you're conflating having a non-diabetic FBG reading with "being cured" - they're certainly not the same thing:View attachment 21739 But did
you see this
The results started from the first week..
Maybe only a week or two is actually nessacary..
That is my exact point it's almost like they hide this information..
They can't sell you anything if all you have to do is fast for a week or so
You can search on Google. Look for
"Pubmed reversal diabetes"
Also "ncbi diabettes reversal"
'Blood sugar 101' gives an interesting read on the causes of type 2 as do Dr Fung's books. Nothing as simplistic as the overeating theory.Your words. If you want to keep this purely about the ND, dont chuck other **** into the mix. I suggest you go back and read what you've written.
As for agenda..I've had normal A1c's for years now, no symptoms of diabetes. I was quite happy to stay out of this thread until I saw the remarks you made, such as what you wrote above.
The part where you say, and I quote "while we all may be different, we all got here the same way.
Overeating..mostly fructose and simple sugars. Paired with a lack of exercise"
You are wrong. End of.
You have no way of knowing that. Some of the offense you cause is by your repeatedly attributing the continuation of Type 2 as the fault and failure of the patients. It is not that simple, nor is it medically accurate.Now 12 weeks later 2 of the 11 went back and got t2d again.. most likely from poor eating habits.
It is insulting to be told that your illness is your own fault due to your behaviour, when it isnt true. Would you say this to a breast cancer patient? or someone with mental health issues?Ok and what about that? That's not an insult.
your link is about VLC diets, not bariatric surgery.I just came across this article it's a good read.. and has a study that has had people with over 20 years t2d reverse
Also it brings up the point I was looking at.. how those that had BARIATRIC surgery had reversed their T2D BEFORE any weight loss occurred. Incredibly interesting...
https://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/well/2016/04/18/hope-for-reversing-type-2-diabetes/?referer=
For the Newcastle Diet to work, you need to have the condition to cure in the first place. The OP does not have diabetes so cannot claim to have used the ND to cure it.If it works for you then that's all that matters so good luck with it. Some others may try it and it works for them but there is no one way that works for everyone
From the info provided about this study, it is hardly a snapshot of type 2 diabetics. They've selected a small handful of diabetics and made sure they're not taking medications and that they've had diabetes less than 5 years. So chances of these diabetics having beta cell damage is next to zero. With only 2 females in the study it doesn't give any true reflections on whether it would work for all females with diabetes. I can tell you I've done the 800 calorie VLCD previously and yes it does lower your blood sugar and I didn't feel too well on that diet at all. It was particularly hard when my hormones changed and my blood sugars went nuts anyhow. So to me this study is like a drop in the ocean and not a study that can say we know how to reverse or 'cure' diabetes. But as I mentioned before the bottom line is if you change your diet to control sugar levels then good... means your controlling your diabetes. I'm not sure why people like to use words that do not reflect the true picture such as 'reversed' and 'cure'. Perhaps go back to eating what you used to eat prior to diagnosis and then monitor your sugar levels and if you have sugar levels in the normal range all the time then freely use those words. Otherwise it is good BGL control and that's all.
I'm happy for you.. I'm actually gonna try something very similar. But with complete fasting..Well apart from the fact (as pointed out by various forum members) that this was a small number of people recently diagnosed and specifically selected.
For that small group yes those are great numbers. But were they 'cured'? If two went on to become diabetic again they obviously weren't cured. If they had achieved a normal functioning pancreas again they would not have become diabetic again.
But you have made me more interested in the Newcastle Diet and I will look into it and probably give it a try.
My girl friend had bariatric surgery..People due to undergo bariatric surgery must embark upon a very strict, low calorie/low bulk diet for some weeks beforehand, so they could, in reality, be mirroring the ND, with real food. Thereafter the surgery, and recovery period necessitates incredibly small portions of everything, due to it's nature. It feels to me that almost anyone's insulin (natural or injected) would be minimalised for some time at least
Sadly, a bit like reversing diabetes, not all bariatric surgery is successful, with a decent proportion of patients regaining the weight they lose in the early stages post-surgery, not to mention the potential short, medium and long term side/knock-on effects.
It is insulting to be told that your illness is your own fault due to your behaviour, when it isnt true. Would you say this to a breast cancer patient? or someone with mental health issues?
The facts, presented to you in this thread, have proved that your assertion is wrong. Please have the courtesy to accept that you are wrong.
That's just Being smart..My life style may have been perfect for the diet to work. I was very obese, I got little to no exercise, blood glucose 10 and 11, fasting was 6.5, after losing 40kg very fast(maybe too fast as even doctor was concerned), with lots of cardio, my blood glucose returned to normal. I wakeup to 4s in the norming(4.6 mmol/l this morning at 7am), and even a normal Christmas dinner(with stuffing, apple sauce, cranberry sauce, etc) and dessert only managed to give me 5s, and fasting was even lower next day.
I'm not stupid to think I'm cured, and will ever return to what I used to eat, as I would be obese again, and after Christmas I went back to 130-160g carbs a day, and low gi food so I don't stress my body.
And I can assure you when I'm down losing this weight im never letting myself go again... lolMy life style may have been perfect for the diet to work. I was very obese, I got little to no exercise, blood glucose 10 and 11, fasting was 6.5, after losing 40kg very fast(maybe too fast as even doctor was concerned), with lots of cardio, my blood glucose returned to normal. I wakeup to 4s in the norming(4.6 mmol/l this morning at 7am), and even a normal Christmas dinner(with stuffing, apple sauce, cranberry sauce, etc) and dessert only managed to give me 5s, and fasting was even lower next day.
I'm not stupid to think I'm cured, and will ever return to what I used to eat, as I would be obese again, and after Christmas I went back to 130-160g carbs a day, and low gi food so I don't stress my body.
Yes I have done intermittent fasting on and off for about 3 years. I also did a very low calorie diet for a month before and lost 20lbs. Certain religions do it every year.. I know it's hard. But to Be honest you get used to it. Especially if you become fat adapted. (Keto)Have you actually ever fasted for a week or so?
you make it sound incredibly easy...
You keep mixing things up the Newcastle Diet is not fasting.. it is severe calorie restriction which could mess up your metabolism. The jury is out on that one. It is not for everyone and the study hand selected people who, a bit like me. were highly motivated to try it because they didn't accept what their doctor had told them about Type 2 being progressive and inescapable. So you had highly motivated people and not even they could all keep their bloods low after the study..
You make so many assumptions by reading just one extract of a study that I can't even find the original of.
My life style may have been perfect for the diet to work. I was very obese, I got little to no exercise, blood glucose 10 and 11, fasting was 6.5, after losing 40kg very fast(maybe too fast as even doctor was concerned), with lots of cardio, my blood glucose returned to normal. I wakeup to 4s in the norming(4.6 mmol/l this morning at 7am), and even a normal Christmas dinner(with stuffing, apple sauce, cranberry sauce, etc) and dessert only managed to give me 5s, and fasting was even lower next day.
I'm not stupid to think I'm cured, and will ever return to what I used to eat, as I would be obese again, and after Christmas I went back to 130-160g carbs a day, and low gi food so I don't stress my body.
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