Why are people not doing this and choosing instead to live a life with diabetes?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168743/#!po=59.0909
And what makes you think many of us haven't gone down this path or various others. Why not have a look at the Newcastle Diet threads on this forum and the various peoples stories going back many years (mine included where my first 3 months from diagnosis is link in my signature). For your info there are quite a few people that have tried it and it hasn't worked.
For more detail have a look at professor Roy Taylor's work at Newcastle university
How has this NOT worked? I have vast knowledge that I have accumulated self reaserching that I would like to share... I originally started researching for bodybuilding and fat loss methods... and I became aware that this could also help diabetics...
One thing I have always don't is NOT trust doctors... they only here to treat symptoms and rarely want to cure the individual..
If anyone says they have tried this method and it was unsuccessful I would say they didn't do it correctly... this isn't about low carb dieting or losing worthy for that matter...
From my understand it's about reducing the visceral fat that accumulate around the organs which impedes in the pancreas and liver from doing their jobs correctly... once that amount of fat is lost (differs from person tonperson)the body will function as normal regardless of carb intake.
I apologize if I offended anyone... but I've ran across people ... for example..
I was at the dentist and overheard the secretaries discussion..
One was telling the other how thief doctor told them they had diabetes and had to stop with the sugar... the person was actually complaining about having to
Give up sweets...i was shocked that an individual would rather suffer from this disease then to simply stop drinking sugary drinks and exercise.. who wants to live that lifestyle ? Not me! If I have to fast for 30 days so be it... it's a much better option then having to take insulin (which makes the problem
Worse) for the rest of my life.
I want to contribute my knowledge and will do formal right up and list my findings.. with the studies cited..
As for me I don't know if I'm Diabetic... I puchasred a glucose monitor for fat loss and bodybuilding purposes...
I let myself go during the holidays and (stopped working out and started eating most of sugary snacks) ended up gaining 25 lbs all in the midsection...
And now my fasting glucose is around 110. Which is prediabettes... I don't believe it though ... possibly the strips are old.. or I'm not testing
Correctly ... as I hade a 200 reading and 2 minutes later it was 140... (using different hand)
Regardless im hear to help the community...
This disease can be easily stopped...as far as my research tells me
How has this NOT worked? I have vast knowledge that I have accumulated self reaserching that I would like to share... I originally started researching for bodybuilding and fat loss methods... and I became aware that this could also help diabetics...
One thing I have always don't is NOT trust doctors... they only here to treat symptoms and rarely want to cure the individual..
If anyone says they have tried this method and it was unsuccessful I would say they didn't do it correctly... this isn't about low carb dieting or losing worthy for that matter...
From my understand it's about reducing the visceral fat that accumulate around the organs which impedes in the pancreas and liver from doing their jobs correctly... once that amount of fat is lost (differs from person tonperson)the body will function as normal regardless of carb intake.
I apologize if I offended anyone... but I've ran across people ... for example..
I was at the dentist and overheard the secretaries discussion..
One was telling the other how thief doctor told them they had diabetes and had to stop with the sugar... the person was actually complaining about having to
Give up sweets...i was shocked that an individual would rather suffer from this disease then to simply stop drinking sugary drinks and exercise.. who wants to live that lifestyle ? Not me! If I have to fast for 30 days so be it... it's a much better option then having to take insulin (which makes the problem
Worse) for the rest of my life.
I want to contribute my knowledge and will do formal right up and list my findings.. with the studies cited..
As for me I don't know if I'm Diabetic... I puchasred a glucose monitor for fat loss and bodybuilding purposes...
I let myself go during the holidays and (stopped working out and started eating most of sugary snacks) ended up gaining 25 lbs all in the midsection...
And now my fasting glucose is around 110. Which is prediabettes... I don't believe it though ... possibly the strips are old.. or I'm not testing
Correctly ... as I hade a 200 reading and 2 minutes later it was 140... (using different hand)
Regardless im hear to help the community...
This disease can be easily stopped...as far as my research tells me
In answer to your question.. of the 29 people on the trial I believe 11 managed to maintain non-diabetic blood sugar levels for 3 or 6 months after the end of the study. I have not been able to find any more follow up.
So the experiment had a 38% success rate for 6 months.
Hi and welcome to the forum @Djstevesire. Many of the Type 2s do control our condition by changing our approach to eating - adopting a Low Carbohydrate High Fat diet.
Yes, it is really puzzling that T2D are actively being discouraged from even considering this and other carbs reduction approach by mainstream medical community and diabetic associations around the world when
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But there remains the privilege and fortunate few of us who went ahead anyway to explore a similar path with remarkable success...
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What study are you reading? You made a mistake... Maybe you included the controls in the study...
Only 11 subjects where on the diet the rest where controls ... 8 out of the 11 remained NON diabetic after 6 months without any dietary intervention.....that is a roughly 80% success rate.. im sure the ones who became diabetic again where eating like AHOLES.. pardon my French
Disagree and I have gone back to a normal diet even cake sweets and chocolate and for the last 3 years have had normal HbA1c. Please do not continue the mythType 2 Diabetes is NOT reversible. While we can stop it in its tracks, whether through VLC diets or LCHF, we are not cured. We can't go back to eating a so-called normal diet, otherwise we're back to being diabetic again.
"Remission" may be a better word to use here.
VLC diets like the Newcastle diet are just one way of controlling T2D.
It is from the Newcastle Diet Study by Professor Roy Taylor. There were 29 participants. Your extract is just that.. an extract.
Here is the full report
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclac...ancecentre/files/low-calorie-diet-article.pdf
If you want to join in discussions it is usually nicer to read around to see what experience other people have had before shouting off about something you are not especially well informed about. Especially if you wish to be insulting and unpleasant.
It is from the Newcastle Diet Study by Professor Roy Taylor. There were 29 participants. Your extract is just that.. an extract.
Here is the full report
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclac...ancecentre/files/low-calorie-diet-article.pdf
If you want to join in discussions it is usually nicer to read around to see what experience other people have had before shouting off about something you are not especially well informed about. Especially if you wish to be insulting and unpleasant.
Why are people not doing this and choosing instead to live a life with diabetes?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168743/#!po=59.0909
I agree that heading into the mid teens shows that you have not got a normal response. Over the years I have measured myself against my wife and track her blood response closely when we eat the same with me always about 0.5 mmol/l behind her but I start 0.5 above her (my baseline is 4.8 and hers is 4.3). There is nothing wrong with your control it is good so do not be to concerned.It is not clear to me what the definition of 'cured' 'reversed' or 'remission' is in relation to T2D. While my HBA1c has dropped into the mid 40's and my FBG hovers somewhere in the 6's as opposed to 96 and mid teens respectively a year ago, I am not sure that I am, or indeed am headed for any of those categories. If I eat a small portion of jam steam pud and custard my BG's rocket into the mid teens and stay there for over an hour. Is that the same Insulin response as a non-diabetic? I doubt it somehow.
Many people on here have developed different techniques to control their condition to their satisfaction, we are all different, and the 'my diet is better than yours' is irrelevant IMHO
The insults were the ones that have resulted in your post being editedI'm not shouting at anyone.. why would you be insulted... the "excerpt" says 11 people and so does the study.. that's 8 out of 11 or
I don't not what what Insults your referring to I was at no time insulting or yelling.. when I use caps it's to emphasize.... .. there are other studies which produce the same information.
Now if I may hypothesis...
The ones who aren't seeing success simply means they still have MORE VICERAL fat to loose.. it is simple as that...
I would go as far as to recommend a micronutrient fast.. where only bcaas and
Vitamins and and the "greens" powders that don't have calories are used...
What do you guys think?
As I said. There is some success but it doesn't work for everyone. It worked for me and I am really happy about it. In fact I embarked on my journey a before these papers came to light. One of the things that the body does when it is in a starvation mode is that it goes into a cell repair mode instead of a cell replacement mode. It is harder but more energy efficient. My hypothersis is that it is this cell repair that provides the added extra over and above the removal of the visceral fat that causes the reversal for some.What do you guys think?
I suggest you read around the forum and try to learn from us first before trying to teach us anything. To say 'it didn't work because you didn't do it properly' and 'this disease can easily be stopped' are very hurtful phrases to those of us who have done our utmost and are still struggling with it. You don't even know if you are diabetic yourself????
My eating preferences and taste has changed .. so no I don't eat what I used to .. not because I am avoiding it.. but because I not longer like it. Used to love pasta .. cannot stand the stuff now .. but I don't count carbs now and I do eat what I want to. At Christmas it was boxes of chocolates, lots of roast potatoes, parsnips, Christmas pudding & custard (full sugar) I now eat rolls or sandwiches for lunch .. in-fact whatever I fancy I eat ... I have not put my weight back on either.Do you eat what you did before becoming diabetic and in the same quantities? I can now eat most of the things I did before, though I avoid white bread and beer as much as possible and don't eat milk chocolate or sugary stuff. But I eat them less often and in smaller quantities which has consistently been giving me fbgs of around 6.3
But if I went back to eating the way I did I think my bs would go up again.
Why would it be hurtful? If you attempted to fix your computer and it didn't work after your repair... would it be hurtful to say that you did it incorrectly?
While giving you the instructions on how to fix it?
This is the exact behavior I'm speaking of. Don't sit around feeling sorry for yourself.. get motivated and fix it..
I know how I got this way.. I was overeating lots of garbage and I wasn't exercising and also smoking..I accept full responsibility.. and now I will take full responsibility to fix it... even if it means going without food...(water fasting)
I am now considered obese and I have prediabetic blood sugar... before going to the doctor I went and did some research that I will be applying ...
You can also apply this technique and rid yourself of this disease...
I'm not talking down to anyone.. I'm sharing a method that I have 100 percent faith in. And I'm in the same boat as everyone else..
so now I will ask.. have you tried this method? It clearly works...
And if it didn't .. that means you need to donit either
1.correctly
2.for a longer duration
This is just reality..
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