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There is a cure.. how come nobody does this?

It is not clear to me what the definition of 'cured' 'reversed' or 'remission' is in relation to T2D. While my HBA1c has dropped into the mid 40's and my FBG hovers somewhere in the 6's as opposed to 96 and mid teens respectively a year ago, I am not sure that I am, or indeed am headed for any of those categories. If I eat a small portion of jam steam pud and custard my BG's rocket into the mid teens and stay there for over an hour. Is that the same Insulin response as a non-diabetic? I doubt it somehow.
Many people on here have developed different techniques to control their condition to their satisfaction, we are all different, and the 'my diet is better than yours' is irrelevant IMHO
 


How has this NOT worked? I have vast knowledge that I have accumulated self reaserching that I would like to share... I originally started researching for bodybuilding and fat loss methods... and I became aware that this could also help diabetics...

One thing I have always don't is NOT trust doctors... they only here to treat symptoms and rarely want to cure the individual..

If anyone says they have tried this method and it was unsuccessful I would say they didn't do it correctly... this isn't about low carb dieting or losing worthy for that matter...

From my understand it's about reducing the visceral fat that accumulate around the organs which impedes in the pancreas and liver from doing their jobs correctly... once that amount of fat is lost (differs from person tonperson)the body will function as normal regardless of carb intake.

I apologize if I offended anyone... but I've ran across people ... for example..
I was at the dentist and overheard the secretaries discussion..
One was telling the other how thief doctor told them they had diabetes and had to stop with the sugar... the person was actually complaining about having to
Give up sweets...i was shocked that an individual would rather suffer from this disease then to simply stop drinking sugary drinks and exercise.. who wants to live that lifestyle ? Not me! If I have to fast for 30 days so be it... it's a much better option then having to take insulin (which makes the problem
Worse) for the rest of my life.


I want to contribute my knowledge and will do formal right up and list my findings.. with the studies cited..

As for me I don't know if I'm Diabetic... I puchasred a glucose monitor for fat loss and bodybuilding purposes...

I let myself go during the holidays and (stopped working out and started eating most of sugary snacks) ended up gaining 25 lbs all in the midsection...

And now my fasting glucose is around 110. Which is prediabettes... I don't believe it though ... possibly the strips are old.. or I'm not testing
Correctly ... as I hade a 200 reading and 2 minutes later it was 140... (using different hand)

Regardless im hear to help the community...
This disease can be easily stopped...as far as my research tells me
 

I suggest you read around the forum and try to learn from us first before trying to teach us anything. To say 'it didn't work because you didn't do it properly' and 'this disease can easily be stopped' are very hurtful phrases to those of us who have done our utmost and are still struggling with it. You don't even know if you are diabetic yourself????
 
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As I said above the Newcastle Diet study had a 38% success rate.. so even that extreme way of eating didn't work for anywhere near "everybody". Not because they didn't do it correctly but because it didn't work for them..It is also not a "cure" more a way of managing the condition.
 

What study are you reading? You made a mistake... Maybe you included the controls in the study...

Only 11 subjects where on the diet the rest where controls ... 8 out of the 11 remained NON diabetic after 6 months without any dietary intervention.....that is a roughly 80% success rate.. im sure the ones who became diabetic again where eating badly.


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Prem51 said:
Hi and welcome to the forum @Djstevesire. Many of the Type 2s do control our condition by changing our approach to eating - adopting a Low Carbohydrate High Fat diet.
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This isn't about controlling.. this is about reversing and eliminating... DID you read the study? Als this has NOTHING ago DO with diet...

You can basically rid yourself of the disease altogether..
 


Thank you.. I pray more people choose to inform themselves and take action then to sit around and play dead duck listning to their doctors.
 

It is from the Newcastle Diet Study by Professor Roy Taylor. There were 29 participants. Your extract is just that.. an extract.
Here is the full report
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclac...ancecentre/files/low-calorie-diet-article.pdf

If you want to join in discussions it is usually nicer to read around to see what experience other people have had before shouting off about something you are not especially well informed about. Especially if you wish to be insulting and unpleasant.
 
Disagree and I have gone back to a normal diet even cake sweets and chocolate and for the last 3 years have had normal HbA1c. Please do not continue the myth
 
I would advise anyone who cares about their health to research what goes into the food they are consuming. After seeing how decaffeinated coffee is made I will side step this (the agent used to remove caffine in the majority of cases). I do not trust "normal" eating as ithe always seems to let me down, and will never go back to this. I find myself now doing things I wouldn'the have imagined, such as waiting for the wild salmon at Morrisons to come down in price and snapping that up. I hope that our prime minister does not allow US gm foods to enter our already dodgy food chain, and more importantly if she does, ensures we have a right to see this clearly lables.
 


I'm not shouting at anyone.. why would you be insulted... the "excerpt" says 11 people and so does the study.. that's 8 out of 11 or


I don't not what what Insults your referring to I was at no time insulting or yelling.. when I use caps it's to emphasize.... .. there are other studies which produce the same information.

Now if I may hypothesis...

The ones who aren't seeing success simply means they still have MORE VICERAL fat to loose.. it is simple as that...

I would go as far as to recommend a micronutrient fast.. where only bcaas and
Vitamins and and the "greens" powders that don't have calories are used...

What do you guys think?
 
Djstevesire said:
Why are people not doing this and choosing instead to live a life with diabetes?


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3168743/#!po=59.0909
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The study used people from over weight to very severely obese.

"stable BMI 25–45 kg/m2"

The study completed with 11 after 4 dropped out.

The follow up was for 10 people:

"One individual was unavailable for retesting, having had surgery for an ovarian cyst (non-malignant)."

"Three participants had recurrence of diabetes as judged by a 2 h post-load plasma glucose >11.1 mmol/l."

So 3 out of 10 participants were not "cured" by this trial.
They were still diabetic.

This does seem to tie in with the buzz number that 80% of T2 diabetics are overweight or obese on diagnosis. Only very general conclusions can be drawn from such a small sample size.

There is a very strong suggestion from this study that if a Newcastle-style diet was applied to all T2 diabetics on diagnosis then a temporary reversal might be achieved in up to 70% of those who were over weight or obese.

Noting the extremely small sample size and the lack of roughly 20% of the T2 diabetic population in the study this suggests (as with most research) that it would be a good idea to try this on a much larger scale.

A pessimistic view on the general T2 population on diagnosis (using 12 people to make the numbers simple):

2 not included in this study
3 not "cured"
7 "cured" (at least in the short term)

That is a 7/12 win and a 5/12 lose.

So this is not a cure all for everyone. It does hold out hope for the majority.

Now the main question posed:

"Why are people not doing this and choosing instead to live a life with diabetes?"

Let us consider first that all the participants were over weight or worse. To adopt this diet is very hard. To continue afterwards is even harder; you might stick out an eight week low calorie diet but how many can countenance a server calorie restriction (compared to their original eating style) for the rest of their lives?

People eat too much, people drink too much, people still smoke.
Everyone "knows" that it is bad for you but people still do it.

So how, exactly are you going to make several million people change the eating habits of a lifetime and give up what for many is their main pleasure?

You would have to isolate them from all sources of food except those you supply and keep them isolated for long enough to kick their food addiction then hope they won't just go back to their old ways.

In the mean time someone has to pay for this plus the accommodation and policing and someone has to do the work of all these people whilst they are banged up inside.

TL;DR - this information should be widely available and supported by the NHS. Don't expect a massive impact over the next 10 years if it is.

Edit: Oh, nearly forgot. If you think you are cured follow the line the research took. Take a fasting plasma glucose test and if your results are normal then you are effectively non-diabetic again. For the moment. After all, you did develop T2 diabetes, didn't you?
 
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I agree that heading into the mid teens shows that you have not got a normal response. Over the years I have measured myself against my wife and track her blood response closely when we eat the same with me always about 0.5 mmol/l behind her but I start 0.5 above her (my baseline is 4.8 and hers is 4.3). There is nothing wrong with your control it is good so do not be to concerned.
 
The insults were the ones that have resulted in your post being edited
 
Djstevesire said:
What do you guys think?
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As I said. There is some success but it doesn't work for everyone. It worked for me and I am really happy about it. In fact I embarked on my journey a before these papers came to light. One of the things that the body does when it is in a starvation mode is that it goes into a cell repair mode instead of a cell replacement mode. It is harder but more energy efficient. My hypothersis is that it is this cell repair that provides the added extra over and above the removal of the visceral fat that causes the reversal for some.
 


Why would it be hurtful? If you attempted to fix your computer and it didn't work after your repair... would it be hurtful to say that you did it incorrectly?
While giving you the instructions on how to fix it?

This is the exact behavior I'm speaking of. Don't sit around feeling sorry for yourself.. get motivated and fix it..

I know how I got this way.. I was overeating lots of garbage and I wasn't exercising and also smoking..I accept full responsibility.. and now I will take full responsibility to fix it... even if it means going without food...(water fasting)

I am now considered obese and I have prediabetic blood sugar... before going to the doctor I went and did some research that I will be applying ...

You can also apply this technique and rid yourself of this disease...

I'm not talking down to anyone.. I'm sharing a method that I have 100 percent faith in. And I'm in the same boat as everyone else..

so now I will ask.. have you tried this method? It clearly works...
And if it didn't .. that means you need to donit either
1.correctly
2.for a longer duration

This is just reality..
 
All please make sure you remain civil throughout your discussions. There are many people with different opinions and a useful discussion is jjust that useful. A slanging match quickly destroys any message as people then read for the punch up and not for understanding
 
My eating preferences and taste has changed .. so no I don't eat what I used to .. not because I am avoiding it.. but because I not longer like it. Used to love pasta .. cannot stand the stuff now .. but I don't count carbs now and I do eat what I want to. At Christmas it was boxes of chocolates, lots of roast potatoes, parsnips, Christmas pudding & custard (full sugar) I now eat rolls or sandwiches for lunch .. in-fact whatever I fancy I eat ... I have not put my weight back on either.
 

What you are missing is that those participants all had T2 for less than 5 years. As you have it longer your pancreas takes more damage and therefore you end up in a state where even with removal of the visceral fat they are unable to produce enough of their own insulin. Please be mindful that not everyone is at an early stage where these processes will achieve complete results let along maintain them
 
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