This 8 week 800 calorie a day thing

DaveNN said:

BOOM!

When society as a whole grasps that the move to low fat, high carb diets was a disaster the better we would all be and T2 could be all but eradicated in a generation.

Of course, this ain't going to happen!

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But there wouldn't be enough butter for ME!

Brunneria said:

Yes, the clue is in the name.



Many non diabetics are either pre-diabetics or have the genetic pre-disposition to to develop diabetes that is likely (over time) to be triggered by eating excessive carbs.

The ones who spike high after carbs are far more likely to be in those groups than the ones who maintain steady bgs in the 6s and 7s.

The production of insulin and insulin resistance is also a huge factor, which cannot be guaged without an insulin assay.

Glad you aren't carb craving any more - that is a great thing.
Mine usually kick in about 24 hours after the carbs were eaten, and nibble away just outside awareness for several days. Devishly hard to spot, and quite insidious. Hopefully you will be spared them.

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To be fair to Sid he did extract the info from the net, Im more than happy to accept the rule of the Internet of half truths has kicked in on that respect.
I do appreciate your comments on this and do also admit to massive carb binges ( 3 packs of Jaffa cakes in one go, for example) in the bad old days. So much so that when I started my regime,the better half used to hide all the naughty stuff in weird and wonderful places in the kitchen.
Now she doesn't bother because she doesn't need to.

As I at pains to stress, I could quite easily be unfortunate enough to never be able to totally tolerate carbs again, in this case I will stick to my < 5% carbs lifestyle.

At the same time, I will continue to avoid my ability to withstand a sustained shark attack by never swimming in an ocean within earshot of a cello. ;-)

For the very same reason that I will invariably touch anything with a sign saying "wet paint" ;-)

Jamrox said:

I think it's happening already to be honest . Slowly !!!!

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Though we are still on the upside of the reverse bathtub.

If T2, was a 'sexy' disease' then we would have adverts ( though they are now happening) with strap lines like " don't die of ignorance" etc.

Hi @Jamrox

Re Mosley on the box in Aussie tonight.

Type 2 Diabetes: Who is at risk and can you beat it?
By
SBS Insight

Airdate:
Tuesday, March 1, 2016 - 20:30
Channel:
SBS
The facts about diabetes in Australia are alarming.

280 Australians develop diabetes every day. That’s one new person with diabetes, every five minutes.

It is estimated there are up to 500,000 Australians living, undiagnosed, with diabetes. Around 1.7 million are living with the disease.

Every year, diabetes racks up a financial toll of around $14.6 billion.

Of the two types of diabetes, Type 2 is the most prevalent and can come in unexpected sizes, at unexpected ages and with unexpected consequences. Across the country, young, old, thin, obese, male, female, Caucasian, Indigenous, and migrant Australians are crippled by this disease.

Science journalist Michael Mosley, whose work on health includes numerous investigations into weight loss, and popularising the 5:2 diet, will be joining the show to discuss his shock at being diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes and his thoughts on how it can be prevented.

Because that’s the good news: it is thought diabetes can be delayed or prevented in 58 percent of Type 2 cases.

But how do we do this? What are the best methods for preventing and treating, even reversing, Type 2 diabetes? Which diets work, which foods raise our blood sugar, and who is most at risk?

Insight investigates the increasing prevalence of Type 2 diabetes and its growing, but largely silent, impact on the Australian population.

I'm on day 51 today. Lost 13lbs which is more than I expected because I had already lost 32lbs prior to doing this. BMI is now 22.1. Fasting levels have been consistently in 5's since 29th Jan, this morning was 6.4! retests show everything from 6.4 to 7.4! What's going on. Started with conjunctivitis yesterday so maybe that's the reason. May update my blood monitor, had it 3 years and still with the same battery! Not sure this has worked for me. Did it to reduce blood sugar not weight.

Well done @Jamrox and @muzza3 you are both doing so well.

Jamrox said:

Thanks muzza3 .
I wonder if the high level of diabetes is because of the thousands of Brits who move there every year lol

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Could be or more likely some of the diet we inherited - fish and chips, Pies, Sandwiches,
Hey did you try Psyllium Husks? I had the same problem and they really helped the train leave the station

Donnadoobie said:

I'm on day 51 today. Lost 13lbs which is more than I expected because I had already lost 32lbs prior to doing this. BMI is now 22.1. Fasting levels have been consistently in 5's since 29th Jan, this morning was 6.4! retests show everything from 6.4 to 7.4! What's going on. Started with conjunctivitis yesterday so maybe that's the reason. May update my blood monitor, had it 3 years and still with the same battery! Not sure this has worked for me. Did it to reduce blood sugar not weight.

Well done @Jamrox and @muzza3 you are both doing so well.

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Thanks Doonadoobie
Your track record over a period of time is fantastic. A BMI of 22.1 I can only dream about. Consistently 5's is consistently normal
Cheers

I know I am being picky @muzza3, but as a prediabetic they were always hovering at high 5's low 6's before doing this diet, so was hoping for a bigger improvement, but they have been steady so that's something to be grateful for. Today's readings have thrown me a bit, hopefully just a blip.

Actually you are not being picky @Donnadoobie . I know how much I focus on them each day and obviously you do as well particularly when you are working so hard to bring them down. Hopefully you will crack a 4 . Illness can always have an impact. and a new meter may not be a bad idea as I have read on here somewhere that they can vary in accuracy

Donnadoobie said:

I know I am being picky @muzza3, but as a prediabetic they were always hovering at high 5's low 6's before doing this diet, so was hoping for a bigger improvement, but they have been steady so that's something to be grateful for. Today's readings have thrown me a bit, hopefully just a blip.

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Donna - well done on your results. They're certainly not to be sniffed at. Over 4stones lost is no mean achievement.

What were your fasting bloods right at the outset (before any dietary intervention, not just this 8 week episode)?

If you fancy one final bash at it, you could consider a short blast ov very low carb, with a smidge of extra fat, if you're looking to stabilise your weight.

If you are not looking to stabilise your weight, how much more do you want to lose?

@AndBreathe thank you for that.

In June 2010 I was 13st 10lbs and had a fasting blood test at the doctor which came back at 6.8, I started to do exercise, lost some weight and over the next 3 years they were 6.7, 6.7, 6.9. In March last year I had my first Hba1c which came back at 49 and was told to go back for another test 3 weeks later, that came back at 46 so was not diagnosed with type 2 and was told I was still prediabetic. In October It was 43 and generally had fasting levels in high 5's and low to mid 6's.

Today has been a blow, as by following this diet for almost 8 weeks it has thrown a curveball, with a 6.4 FBS after several weeks of 5's. Doesn't seem to want to move either as 3 hours after just 2 scrambled eggs for breakfast is still 6.4! Going to see how long it takes to get back down to the 5's today.

I do have to admit to feeling a little out of sorts today, so maybe that's why. My head feels a little fuzzy and I am not feeling 100%, maybe I am fighting a virus.

Although I am pleased with the weight loss, I now weigh 9st 6lbs and am a size 10, I do want to stabilise my weight, don't really want to lose any more but have been disappointed that the weight loss and low carb diet has made very little change to my blood sugars, was really hoping they would drop to high 4's low 5's as I seem to have been stuck in the same prediabetic levels for almost 6 years and whatever I do they don't move.

Very frustrating

Jamrox said:

I've seen more about type 2 diabetes recently , it seems to be on TV all the time and the lower carb message is out there. Sorry I know I'm repeating myself .

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Yeh, I've seen an advert for DB UK, think it was on one of the more specialist sat channels...not Babecast ( or whatever it's called) ;-)

Donnadoobie said:

@AndBreathe thank you for that.

In June 2010 I was 13st 10lbs and had a fasting blood test at the doctor which came back at 6.8, I started to do exercise, lost some weight and over the next 3 years they were 6.7, 6.7, 6.9. In March last year I had my first Hba1c which came back at 49 and was told to go back for another test 3 weeks later, that came back at 46 so was not diagnosed with type 2 and was told I was still prediabetic. In October It was 43 and generally had fasting levels in high 5's and low to mid 6's.

Today has been a blow, as by following this diet for almost 8 weeks it has thrown a curveball with a 6.4 FBS after several weeks of 5's. Doesn't seem to want to move either as 3 hours after just 2 scrambled eggs for breakfast is still 6.4! Going to see how long it takes to get back down to the 5's today.

I do have to admit to feeling a little out of sorts today, so maybe that's why. My heard feels a little fuzzy and I am not feeling 100%, maybe I am fighting a virus.

Although I am pleased with the weight loss, I now weigh 9st 6lbs and am a size 10, I do want to stabilise my weight, don't really want to lose any more but have been disappointed that the weight loss and low carb diet has made very little change to my blood sugars, was really hoping they would drop to high 4's low 5's as I seem to have been stuck in the same prediabetic levels for almost 6 years and whatever I do they don't move.

Very frustrating

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Donna - I made a comment on another forum the other day about someone who appears to buck the diabetic trends with some of his extremely successful management. He responded, as did others, that they had a feeling that our bodies have a personal comfort zone, where our bodies will try really hard to keep up. We see much evidence of that when new folks are diagnosed, but have liver dumps, and false hypos because their bodies are so used to running higher. For this individual, he seems able to eat lots of carbs, he sees a few spikes, that don't sustain themselves, then reverts back to his starting point. He can also manage some of the drifting he might occasionally see in his bloods by the odd 24-36 hour fast.

The consensus there was that, having reset his body, by his gargantuan post-diagnosis efforts, his body had found a new happy place, and if he abused it periodically, his body was trying very hard to drag him back to that lower place, rather then drift up. So, almost the opposite of what newbies sometime experience?

I have also read (you might want to try a Google search), that only something like 30% of pre-diabetics go over the diagnostic line to diabetes, where they don't make any diet or lifestyle modifications. So in other words, a good proportion of those diagnosed pre-diabetic will never become diabetic. It was an Aussie paper, if I recall correctly.

I'm absolutely not saying that to encourage you to discontinue your sterling efforts, because your HbA1c at 49 perhaps indicated you could be in the less fortunate 30%, unless careful. But, maybe I'm trying to say that perhaps your body's "happy place" is in your historic pre-diabetic arena.

I would also urge you not to jump to any conclusions about exactly what your HbA1c will be under any regimes, as the finger prick testing we employ can only give us indicators. We don't usually see our peaks, nor do we see all of our low points. Things like dawn phenomenon can influence the scores we achieve on rising, irrespective of diet, exercise etc. Only a new HbA1c test will indicate what your HbA1c is today. October is a long time gone.

Finally, if you are feeling out of sorts today, then ignore today's score, unless it repeats itself for over a week, and during that time you feel absolutely fine. So many factors can be at play that beating yourself up, or becoming down hearted about what could be anything, once, isn't being fair to yourself.

When is your next scheduled blood panel? If it's not for a while, I might be inclined to ask for an interim one to set a new benchmark.

Chin up.

Jamrox said:

So today my weight is 155lb (-7)
Waist 90cm (-5cm)
FBS 6.4 after I had been up an hour .
The bowel thing remains a hassle .

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Perhaps try a tablespoon of good olive oil with your main meal...certainly helps me

Clivethedrive said:

Perhaps try a tablespoon of good olive oil with your main meal...certainly helps me

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Nice....