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The Department of Health guidelines for carbohydrate intake, for people with diabetes, is equivalent to eating 5 to 7 medium (80g) Easter eggs. Alternative equivalent values include digesting 18 to 24 bricks of Wheatabix, or finishing 2 to 3 litres of full sugar cola, to meet the recommended 225 to 300g of carbohydrate per day.
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I hope this is the right place to vent, because I feel really quite cross about this news.

I can hardly believe I read this, it about the most ridiculous and downright dangerous, ill advised information that anyone can give a diabetic, come to think of it even bad for non diabetic! How can the DoH possibly justify such nonsense - don't they realise that many people look to them for advice, I dread to think how many people who do not think to research beyond what the NHS and DoH tell them - it is a really scary thought that goes along with the thought about how many people are walking around undiagnosed, as I and probably many of you could have been, if something had not prompted us to seek medical advice. I only found out 3.5 years ago, just went to GP as did not seem to have my old energy, so very nearly did not go and was going to put down to my age (then late 50s) and I was not overly concerned and went to GP on off chance really. Scary thought - what if had not - how long would I have gone undiagnosed :!: There was a 'small' government campaign in (what I saw on TV bus shelters) about the risks of diabetes, surely the DoH should campaign on TV. Although I have always been fairly slim - currently 8.5 stone, for many years I wondered why I looked bigger around the tummy area, my friend recently commented on it in a laughing manner, I told her that was a diabetic symptom and she was really quite shocked (and embarrassed)! People just do not know this stuff, because the DoH is too busy writing nonsense as opposed to taking constructive and informative campaigning.

Sorry to be such a whinge, but for some reason this piece of news really incensed me :evil:
 
Please dont say sorry for ranting , I felt just the same when I read it, makes my blood boil :evil:
 
Thanks KateinCornwall, I feel like such a grouch, but this country is in extreme danger of suffering an obesity problem and they recommend this for a diabetic, what I wonder, do they recommend for 'healthy' eaters :?:
 
Time for us to stand up and be counted. We've GOT to make it known that we KNOW their advise to be detrimental to our (everybody's) health.

Absolutely disgusting.
 
The main problem we have is that HCP's will insist they only listen to 'evidence based' research.......

Now in a previous life I dealt with all sorts of 'evidence'.......mainly real evidence but much of it may also have been anecdotal or circumstantial....but it all added weight to the overall case. It was never ignored.

Seems evidence rules for the Health Care Profession are different and they ignore things that stare them in the face.......such as those who reduce carbohydrate consumption and still get great results !
 
Cugila, that is a scary thought, I mean - it is only right that all evidence should be considered but for to actually to taken into account, no matter what, seems rather pointless at best and downright dangerous at worst :!:
 
I have read some of the 'evidence based' research that is used in the NHS.

What surprised me was the amount of 'Chinese Whispers' that occur between the actual research paper and what we are told. For instance the word 'some' was used in one of the original papers in regards to how much carbohydrate to eat at each meal. How and when then did this get translated into 'plenty' which was the advice on NHS Choices for Diabetics for awhile.

Similarly it was understood that Carbohydrate was important to discuss with patients but now only the word 'sugar' is used. Why is this ? Again I suspect 'dumbing down' because they thought we would not know what carbohydrate was ! Using that simple word instead of 'sugar' when educating Diabetics could help many to read packaging properly and bring down their Bg levels more successfully.
 
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Cugila, that is a scary thought, I mean - it is only right that all evidence should be considered but for to actually to taken into account, no matter what, seems rather pointless at best and downright dangerous at worst :!:
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Not quite sure what you are getting at here........if someone has a bad side effect of a drug, even anecdotal, it is often reported and the medical profession takes note of that report. Things are modified, advice sometimes changed even though there may not be any 'real' evidence that the actual drug was the prime culprit.

So if someone has a good effect of something, such as a reduced carb diet regime and reports that effect.......you would ignore it and call it dangerous ? Sounds very much like a HCP way of thinking. What we have been trying to change for a long time....... :( Nothing pointless and certainly not dangerous........

I know of several HCP's who are receptive to ideas which may improve the lot of us Diabetic's...but there are still far too many with their heads stuck in the sand who just will not listen or even consider some modification of the advice given to control Diabetes. The 'script' is not for changing !

Or have I missed the point of your message here ?
 
Or have I missed the point of your message here ?
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Actually I think I missed the point of your post, the way I read it was that they took all evidence into consideration (as you say some anecdotal and some circumstantial) with the inference that all was taken into consideration no matter what, and yes, as I said some of that is good, but I thought this also included the inconsequential and non relevant theories were also considered and taken into account - if that makes sense, still trying to get my head around the way I read it :?
 
Ken

Who wrote that piece - there does not seem to be a reference. It is absolute nonsense and I think you really have to put it into perspective!

Allyx
 
I too wondered why there was no reference. Have tried without success to find one.

NICE guidelines state that diets should be tailored to the individual's needs.
 
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