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Hi
Was diaognosed Nov 2008 type 2
Two weeks after had a very bad case of thrush,never had it befor and now get it on a regular basis
I shower every day keep my feet in good nick always get it in groin and between little toes use a cream which gets rid ot it but is back again within a month
 
like you i had never suffered from thrush, then got some on my u know what. got some cream from the doc and cleared it up. then a week later diagnosed as T2 and since then have kept on top of my bg levels with diet and metformin. touch wood, i've not had a re-occurance so not had to let the gp examine private areas whilst cracking the joke about letting the cat at it! :lol:
 
Newrakid
what Bg numbers are you getting. Thrush is common in diabetes, especially when the level of control isn't very good.
Good means around 5 at all times.
Hana
 
Hi Hanadr
Bloods are between 5.5 and 6.3 blood control by weight of carbs and fats
lost 3 stone 8 lbs in last 10 months walk 60 mile a week on average
500 metformin 3 times a day
 
I really admire 60 miles per week. Is this getting to and from work?
I aim for 30 and usually get to 25 miles a week.
 
Yeasts thrive on sugars and starches - so anything carby basically. That's what they do - ferment carbs, and turn them into alcohol. The more carbs and sugars we eat, the more we encourage them. Those with severe Candida and yeast issues often suffer with brain-fog - that's the alcohol, it's like having a permanent hangover.

Three things you can do. Cut down your carb consumption, and replace it with more fresh, and preferably raw vegetables to get your body more alkaline. The optimum pH for the body is about 7.35 which is on the alkaline side of neutral. These days our high-carb Western diet tends to throw us the other way. They thrive in an acid environment and because sugars and carbs are also very acid-forming in the body that is another reason to cut down.

The other thing is to drink more water and take a little salt - just a quarter to half a teaspoonful over the day on food, but it needs to be pure, and preferably unrefined sea or rock salt for all the minerals and trace elements. Cheap refined table salt is devoid of those and will unbalance the body with too much sodium and nothing else. Real salt contains as much as 84 different minerals and trace elements. It also helps the body to re-establish the correct pH level.

You need to drink pure water - unflavoured. It helps to wash toxins and unwanted baddies out of the gut, keeps the motility moving in the digestive tract, strengthens the stomach lining, and hundreds (if not thousands) of other beneficial actions that may be impaired by even low-level dehydration that we are unaware of. Drink may be going in, and it may be coming out the other end, but it just quite possibly is not in a form that the body can properly utilise.

These days people drink anything but water. Sugar and anything that turns to sugar in the body, so carbs, is dehydrating. Tea, coffee, squash, fruit juice, soft drinks, alcohol, anything with chemicals in, etc., are also very dehydrating.

If we are eating dehydrating foods, and drinking dehydrating drinks, very gradually we are getting into hydration deficit and the body becomes unbalanced and suffers as a result. 6 - 8 glasses a day is good - a bit more if you are bigger or fairly overweight.

I was a walking fungus-factory. Going through tubes of Canesten like it was going out of fashion. But by following the above I have waved bye-bye to the thrush, athlete's foot, 'jock-itch', dandruff and itchy scalp and I'm not sorry to see the back of any of it.
 
The other thing is to drink more water and take a little salt - just a quarter to half a teaspoonful over the day on food,
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AliB.

I agree with you about drinking plenty of water, at least a couple of litres a day as far as I am concerned. I usually drink about 3 litres daily.

As for the advice to take more salt, of any sort....why would anybody today advise somebody to take more salt into a diet which is already packed full of hidden salts/sodium ? Salt is still salt whether it is rock salt, sea salt, pie in the sky salt whatever....!

The guideline daily amount of salt is 2.4g in the UK. Half a teaspoonful of salt is 3g on my accurate scales.

Yet here YOU are advising somebody to take MORE than the recommended daily allowance. This on top of any salt consumed in foods.
What source would that be from I wonder....the wonderful Dr Batmanjelly (sp) and his wonder 'Water Cure' which is derided elsewhere. Do a search on quack cures, you will see what I mean.

Please don't do as AliB says, not unless you want to be even more dehydrated and if like me you have had cardiac problems or high blood pressure, then avoid this ridiculous advice like the plague !! :twisted:
 
Yes, well if you were, as I also suggested, consuming a low-carb diet, then you would probably be consuming very little in the way of foods that would contain hidden salt.

We are told to consume less salt because of the risk of it raising blood pressure, and that may be true, but the reason for that is because most of the hidden salt is just sodium chloride and nothing else (except maybe a few unpleasant chemicals!). If you consume a lot of sodium chloride and also don't drink much water then you will undoubtedly get high blood pressure. The body cannot excrete the unwanted sodium without enough water to do it with!

Yes, we may drink a lot, but most drinks these days, along with the food, are very dehydrating. Tea, coffee, alcohol and anything with sugar in it are dehydrating. Ever had a sickly drink that has left you feeling thirsty? It has robbed your body of more fluid than it has given you.

Our bodies are about 75% water. That is what it needs. How many people actually drink that much water - if any, these days? They have to have something in it. The Western diet is very dehydrating. If we are eating lots of dehydrating foods - foods that the body needs a lot of water to digest properly, and we are drinking dehydrating drinks - sooner or later it is going to impact on us. We start to shrivel from the inside out!

Thirst is not a good indicator of dehydration. I know that my body has always mistaken thirst for hunger. And I recognise now that so many of my health issues, and yes, quite probably the Diabetes too are a result of being dehydrated for many years. Dr. Batmanghelidj, in his book explains quite scientifically why.

The REAL salt is needed to keep the electrolytes topped up. Drinking a lot of water without it is dangerous. You are better getting the hidden rubbish highly unbalanced salt out of the diet and ingesting the real McCoy which contains at least 84 different minerals and trace elements, all of which are essential to us. I do not believe that a quarter to half a teaspoon is excessive!

We need salt. Without it we would have no electrolytes and we would die. We need water. Without it the body can't process or function properly. The body keeps the necessary processes going as long as it can until we are so dehydrated that it can't cope any more and everything starts to break down. I don't think that drinking water and taking a little salt is stupid at all.
 
AliB.

Oh well, here we go again. I have news for you I am consuming a much reduced carb diet. It is exceptionally low in salt/sodium. A sensible diet for anybody. As for Dr ???? Batman jolly, enough said. Duck's spring to mind......!

don't think that drinking water and taking a little salt is stupid at all.
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I didn't say it was stupid........I said it was ridiculous. It still is. :wink:
 
Please don't equate what happened to that poor woman with the benefit of drinking more water!

No one in their right mind should drink that much water that rapidly! Not only that but she probably didn't have any extra salt and undoubtedly washed all the electrolytes out of her body.

Gradually consuming around 2 litres of water throughout a 12 hour period during the day is not excessive - most people consume at least that or more in cups of tea or coffee without batting an eyelid. To drink 4 litres in as many hours is crazy - quite why she did that is beyond me. I'm not sure that even Lighterlife recommended that.

It is possible that had she had some salt she might have survived. If you are very ill or in an accident, often one of the first things that is done is to link you up to a saline solution to get your electrolytes rebalanced and provide you with hydration. They don't do that for nothing.

Are you saying then that just because one person died because she went completely overboard with the water that it is dangerous stuff and no one should be drinking it??? I am sure that if you drank 4 litres of anything in 4 hours you wouldn't end up much better off!

There have been studies done that have thrown sufficient doubt at the 'salt equals high blood-pressure' thing to show that it is not as straightforward as it is made out to be. We have been 'frightened' into believing that salt is bad for you. No - bad salt is bad for you. Good, high mineral salt is what the body needs. Without enough of those essential minerals in REAL salt the body can't function properly.

Whilst we can do without food for some time, we can't last very long at all without air, water and salt.

Dr. B. and the many other medical personnel who recommend this regime do not make any money from it. How can they? You can get the water out of your kitchen tap and the sea or rock salt out of your salt mill!

That is why it has been suppressed for so long. If people knew that they could get rid of many of their illnesses just by drinking water and taking a little salt, there would be an awful lot of people losing an awful lot of money!

This is an ancient remedy, and one that worked long before Allopathic medicine was ever invented. Dr B just rediscovered it, but despite his efforts over the last 30 years to get it 'out there' he was thwarted at every turn. Regardless of that, at grass roots level it has been quietly spreading as more and more people realise the benefit of it.

Just out of interest, I told a friend who suffers with asthma and is plagued with a cough and thick mucous, about this on Sunday. She went straight home and started drinking water and taking a little sea salt. When I saw her on Tuesday she wasn't coughing any more, and this evening she said that she hadn't had to use her inhaler at all since she started! The lungs need to be moist. If there is not enough water available the mucous thickens and can't be shifted properly and the bronchioles get plugged. It's not rocket science!

The proof is in the pudding - you can't get much better a recommendation than that........


PS. I'm sure that eating it is the best, but even breathing it can be beneficial! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/wellb ... -cave.html

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/sea-salt-benefits.html

This is worth reading too - a good insight. http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/salt-a ... nsion.html
 
I have been looking at this thread and Jo and Cuglia I have to agree with you - it is absolute nonsense.

The lady who suffered brain damage followed the advice of a completely unqualified nutritional therapist - who is still working. I would have been struck off! This is the danger of not seeing patients medical notes!

I saw your u tube links - the doc is a complete quack and his business partner - not making money ha ha. What he is recommending is what all HP tell patients !

In fact go and ask any a+e consultant - they will tell you they are seeing , mainly women who are putting theim selves at risk by drinking large volumes of water - it causes their kidneys to suddenly put out a large volume of urine and upsets their normal fluid balance.

There are plenty of studies that have linked salt to high blood pressure - the simple fact is we are consuming too much of it . Google it!
Your comment about saline solution is irrelevant - that is something that is used to rehydrate that is the same osmolality as blood - most people throw up saline if it is drunk!

Ali - just look at what you post - you need to follow a yeast free, wheat free, milk free ,everything else free, low carb water plus and sea salt diet. It cures everything with not alot of science behind it.!!!!

I work with athletes and we check their urine osmolality to check for dehydration - it usually equates to the colour of your urine - the darker it is the more dehydrated you are.

I actually do not believe you - you are making claims that you have cured everyone you talk too! I just hope you do not talk to any of my patients - they are doing nicely thank you.
 
Let's get real here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication "Is a potential fatal disturbance in brain function that results where the normal balance of electrolytes in the body is pushed outside of safety limits by over-consumption of water".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydration "Excessive loss of body water".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypernatremia " An electrolyte disturbance that is defined by elevated sodium in the blood".

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/kicksalt.html "Strike the right balance between a healthy level of salt and a dangerous one".


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/169132.php World Health Organization identifies 5 major causes of premature death. (One of these is high blood pressure) Many diabetics have high blood pressure and medical advice is to cut back on salt. This is a major risk for elevated blood pressure.
 
Just to throw a spanner into the works
I sometimes get agonising cramp. My friend's son, a cardiologist, says to take a little salt in a glass of water to clear it.
When I was a child in the far East, we always had salt tablets available. There's a fine line between too much salt and too little.
Hana
 
Ally. I am somewhat puzzled that you seem to think that I have 'cured everyone' I have spoken to! Please don't exaggerate. It is not necessary. I haven't 'cured', nor do I claim to have 'cured' anyone. But I do have a very logical brain and what this Doctor - yes, he is a qualified Medical Doctor, trained at St Mary's Hospital Medical School of London University, says, makes perfect sense.

His theses and writings have been positively peer reviewed by the Medical Profession and he has given numerous talks and lectures about this. Across America, where he eventually settled, many MDs have embraced the 'Watercure' after the positive benefits they themselves have gained and now implement it within their own practices. He backs up his reasoning on this with very sound scientific argument that is very difficult, if not impossible to disprove.

Of course he earned money as a Doctor - there aren't many Doctors who don't, but apart from writing his books (and how else was he ever going to get it 'out there' if he didn't) he couldn't make money from it. He wasn't 'selling' anything other than the right of everyone to freely know about it. He didn't endorse any particular water other than good pure water, out of the tap if it is good enough, or salt other than real unrefined rock or sea salt that you can buy in your local supermarket or Health Store.

Few people, even many Doctors, would decry the fact that we really ought to be drinking more water. In fact my daughter took our youngest grandson to the Hospital today to the Pediatric Specialist because of enuresis issues, and was told not to give him any squash or juice or coke and plenty of pure water to drink! Was the Pediatric Specialist wrong???

Just because you do not believe this to be of any relevance, doesn't mean that you should dismiss it out of hand, or ridicule me because I believe it to be so. As far as 'cures' are concerned, I am only relating what I have seen myself, and have heard from others.

At risk of repeating myself once again, two liters of water is not excessive! Most people drink at least that amount in tea, coffee, coke, squash, juice, alcohol, whatever - anything but pure unadulterated water. Unfortunately, the body can't use much of what people drink and any water that is present is often largely used in the drinks' own processing!

The body expels around a litre of water per day in breathing, sweating and bowel movements. The kidneys use the other fluids we drink to help expel toxins from the body. The body needs pure water to cleanse the inside of the body.

We think that because we are drinking plenty and peeing well that everything is hunky dory. Yes, dark coloured urine is an indicator that there is an immediate dehydration issue, but it doesn't tell us about underlying dehydration. The dehydration that is behind things like constipation, allergies, asthma, headaches, arthritis, depression, chronic fatigue, weight gain and a host of other issues. No one has any other rational explanation for the cause of these issues - why on earth could it not be due to underlying dehydration???

Think about it. If you are constipated it is because the fecal matter has hardened and won't go through the tract properly. What does it need? Water. People take laxatives to try and help - what do they do? They generally draw water from the bloodstream into the colon to soften the poo and get it moving. What effect does that have though. It makes the blood more dehydrated! Surely, drinking more water would be just as effective (as I have discovered)?

Allergies are triggered by Histamine. Histamine is the sensor regulator of water metabolism and distribution in the body. The less water that is available, the more exaggerated becomes the histamine response. Dr. B found that as more water is consumed, the histamine response dies down and allergies abate. I have been drinking the water now for 10 days and no longer appear to react to gluten.

With Arthritis, he found through his 30-year studies and personal application with his patients that once rehydrated, the joints are restored and will be much improved. Dehydrated joints have cartilege that, instead of being plump and soft against the bone, is shriveled and rough. Why? Lack of water.

He warns against drinking excessively and points out that rehydration needs to be done over a period of time. It has taken time to develop the underlying dehydration. We won't make it go any faster by drinking more and as has been pointed out more than adequately, drinking too much is just as dangerous as not drinking enough. What is important though is that we drink water rather than other dehydrating beverages.

I am benefitting - my skin is softer and less wrinkled, my hair has stopped falling out, my eyes are brighter, not so dry and I am less tired, I am finally losing weight again after having got stuck for a long time, I am sleeping better, my digestion feels a bit better and my blood sugar is fantastic - 4.5 when I went to bed last night. I even cut down my daily dose of insulin again by another 4 units this evening and will be interested to see what it is tonight, and I no longer appear to be reacting to gluten - and all in just 10 days. Amazing.

My friend with asthma is benefitting - she would do anything to get rid of the debilitating hacking cough that not even the Ventolin could cure. In just 2 days the water has done what none of the drugs have achieved.

I have another friend who had adrenal insufficiency. She found the water and salt 'cure' through another route but has also benefitted and is a lot better. There are thousands out there who have benefitted in many different ways, just by swapping their normal drinks for pure unadulterated water.

Nobody really knows why people gain weight - especially those like me who have never overeaten. Nobody knows why some people become Diabetic. Nobody knows why people get asthma, or allergies, or depression, or chronic fatigue, or any one of many other illnesses. Yes, there are loads of theories floating around, but that is all they are.

Strange isn't it that people who up their water intake are suddenly able to shift weight that wouldn't move. Strange isn't it that my friends' asthma has radically improved. Strange that my hair has stopped falling out and my intolerance has gone.

Dr. B's scientifically backed concepts provide quite logical answers that no one else has thought of. I would much rather keep an open mind and put my money on dehydration.
 
Hana - you are right about the salt for cramp. I used to get cramp a lot when I had a reduced salt intake and never realised that was why! I could have saved myself so much agony! I wonder now if the restless legs were an extension of the cramp. Dumping the gluten stopped the restless legs - although I have been exposed to gluten this week and seem to be ok with it (normally even a crumb or two would set my legs off), I will keep going with the rehydrating and may try consuming some gluten food in two or three months time to see if I am definitely ok with it.

I don't cope with carbs at all well and because they need so much water for digestion makes so much sense. As I become more hydrated then I should be able to cope with more carbohydrate. I wouldn't go mad with it because of the Diabetes (unless the rehydration has dealt with that too!) but to be able to eat a bit of bread here and there would be quite nice.

Too much salt is not good for the body but it seems that it does the most damage when not enough water is consumed for the kidneys to eliminate any excess.

Somewhere in all the bumf I have read I came across a statement that said that a study found that carbohydrate actually causes the body to hold on to salt. Funny how they will pounce on one aspect of people's diets yet not consider anything else. Maybe it isn't the salt at all that is the problem but the carbohydrates! It is interesting that quite a few who have gone low-carb (me included) have found that their blood pressure has normalised - probably then because we are no longer retaining the excess salt! Within about three weeks of dumping all the grains, starches and sugar I was able to throw the blood-pressure tablets away.

I also found a study that showed that people who consume a low-salt diet run 4 times the risk of having a heart attack. Perhaps they are not getting enough minerals!
 
also found a study that showed that people who consume a low-salt diet run 4 times the risk of having a heart attack. Perhaps they are not getting enough minerals!
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Please state your source AliB.
 
Sometimes - just sometimes - you gotta think outside the box.

If no one ever thought outside the box, how would we ever discover anything?

If no one thinks outside the box, how will they ever discover what causes Diabetes? Or anything else.
 
Ali - everytime you post you mention someone who has given up an inhaler etc.

This for me as an HP is the danger of getting advice of the internet - who knows what is true.

That Dr is making alot of money so do not be fooled by that - and he is not saying anything that any good doctor does not tell his pts drink more - I see this also in practise all the time - **** should have written a book!
 
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