Type 2 To eat high fat or not ... that is the question

[walnut_face]

Strange, as I diagnosis my cholesterol was 5.0 - I was told that was too high - "We like our diabetics lower" Having dumped the starchy carbs a year later it is 6.7. They dont test the breakdown, cost the practice extra pennies, which suits me fine.
I am below average height, but they never gave me growth hormone supliments
Or to put it another way - its a non-issue IMHO

 

[Freema]

Then this is what I must do! I have quite a busy day ... to and fro to mum's house caring for her, but it's only a four minute walk away so I'm not doing that much exercise really, am I? I usually go there and back three or four times a day. How much would you consider to be enough to lower my bad cholesterol readings please?

I would sat the best excercise is to get resistance on ones muscles so one do get a lot stronger, the advantage of that is that the "damaged" muscles that repair and thereby get stronger do use more energy many many hours after one has done the job, where if one only take some walks the burning is finished almost right after one has finished the deed...

but I started myself walking every other day like 5-7 kilometers 3 days a week and that already did lower my cholesterol so all the strategies together is probably enough... I only ate a lot of garlic a few days a week... everyday was too much with that..

 

[kittypoker]

Check the labels

; Unsaturated fats are ok in moderate amounts , just steer away from SATURATED FATS , these are the ones that will create the most negative health issues

I'm not convinced. I'm far less concerned by negative health outcomes from satfats than from transfats which arise from industrial products like vegetable fats and margarine. I'll take a good dollop of butter any day than even a drop of sunflower or rapeseed oil.

And welcome to the forum!

 

[Winnie53]

I believe the LCKD is the best diet for those with type 2 diabetes and the research so far supports that. Saturated fat when eating low carb appears to be fine for most of us. I eat saturated and monounsaturated fats daily.

But there are exceptions. Phinney and Volek have found that 10% of their research participants do better on a higher carbohydrate diet. That said, they also say that the majority do better on a LCKD, so it's highly individual.

Dairy is a different conversation. Some thrive on it, other's don't mostly because they have developed a food sensitivity to it. Finding the right diet is a process of tweaking the diet until we each find what's best for us.

The Low Carb Dietician has posted on the high lipids issue that she herself experienced on LCKD diet, and she has found a way to manage it...

http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blo...ery-low-carb-ketogenic-diet-my-own-experience

http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/category/cardiovascular disease

The bottom line is that we need to pay attention to all our health markers by having lab work done once a year, perhaps quarterly or every six months the first year. For now, I'm continuing to eat high fat on the LCKD because all my health markers improved dramatically.

 

[Jamesuk9]

This cholesterol thing, it drives me mad. It is widely acknowledged that the average UK cholesterol level is 5.0 yet doctors want it nearer 4, the link between cholesterol and heart disease is weak at best too. Total non issue, I would never accept statins, not a chance.

 

[jonbvn]

I completely agree. I bought a smart watch as I'm gadget obsessed not for the health monitoring but its been absolutely brilliant. It monitors my steps and activity, monitors my pulse for issues, monitors my sleep and reports on it. Monitors glucose, BP, food, calories, all sorts.

It even tells me to get up and move if I'm inactive for an hour or so.

Cannot live without it now.

Glucose and BP? What smart watch is that???

 

[Brunneria]

It always seems to come down to two separate issues, doesn't it?

Firstly, what is high cholesterol, and is it harmful?

and Secondly, does dietary fat affect serum cholesterol? Especially saturated fat?

I think most of the discussions on the internet and in doctor's surgeries up and down the land follow messed up thinking on both these issues.

 

[Jamesuk9]

Glucose and BP? What smart watch is that???

They have to be entered manually once checked but the analysis is thorough.

The heart rate monitoring and sleep analysis and activity tracking is all fully automatic and works really well.

It's the Samsung Gear S3, I've attached the sleep and heart analysis as an example.

 

[Brunneria]

@Jamesuk9 is that heart rate (HR) or blood pressure (BP)?

I have been looking for one that does BP but all the ones I see are HR.
Well, I say that.
There are some really cheap ones on eBay for about £20 that I wouldn't trust for a moment, that all claim BP, but really... for £20? I think not.

I even had a look at Apple Watches (very briefly!!! lol) but the the BP thing remains elusive...

 

[kittypoker]

It always seems to come down to two separate issues, doesn't it?

Firstly, what is high cholesterol, and is it harmful?

and Secondly, does dietary fat affect serum cholesterol? Especially saturated fat?

I think most of the discussions on the internet and in doctor's surgeries up and down the land follow messed up thinking on both these issues.

Another question is, who has set these limits? Do they have a fiduciary interest? Is there strong, independent evidence to back it up, evidence not supplied by the pharmaceutical and/or food industries? Why have the goalposts for being diagnosed diabetic, hypertensive and high cholesterol changed so much over the last decade or so?

I appear to have come up with more than one question.

 

[Jamesuk9]

@Jamesuk9 is that heart rate (HR) or blood pressure (BP)?

I have been looking for one that does BP but all the ones I see are HR.
Well, I say that.
There are some really cheap ones on eBay for about £20 that I wouldn't trust for a moment, that all claim BP, but really... for £20? I think not.

I even had a look at Apple Watches (very briefly!!! lol) but the the BP thing remains elusive...

@Brunneria Sorry, I should have been clearer... You have to measure your BP manually and blood sugar manually and then enter them via the watch face.

All of the heart analysis, sleep analysis, activity tracking and calorie info is fully automated though.

The picture is not BP its my heart analysis so far today.

Here's all the things that can be tracked thru one device....

 

[Brunneria]

@Jamesuk9 aha! All making sense now! Thank you

 

[serenity648]

I believe the LCKD is the best diet for those with type 2 diabetes and the research so far supports that. Saturated fat when eating low carb appears to be fine for most of us. I eat saturated and monounsaturated fats daily.

But there are exceptions. Phinney and Volek have found that 10% of their research participants do better on a higher carbohydrate diet. That said, they also say that the majority do better on a LCKD, so it's highly individual.

Dairy is a different conversation. Some thrive on it, other's don't mostly because they have developed a food sensitivity to it. Finding the right diet is a process of tweaking the diet until we each find what's best for us.

The Low Carb Dietician has posted on the high lipids issue that she herself experienced on LCKD diet, and she has found a way to manage it...

http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blo...ery-low-carb-ketogenic-diet-my-own-experience

http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/category/cardiovascular disease

The bottom line is that we need to pay attention to all our health markers by having lab work done once a year, perhaps quarterly or every six months the first year. For now, I'm continuing to eat high fat on the LCKD because all my health markers improved dramatically.

what is the KD in LVKD?

 

[Bluetit1802]

This cholesterol thing, it drives me mad. It is widely acknowledged that the average UK cholesterol level is 5.0 yet doctors want it nearer 4, the link between cholesterol and heart disease is weak at best too. Total non issue, I would never accept statins, not a chance.

I think you will find the average UK cholesterol is around 5.7, with 3 out of 5 adults above 5. The UK powers that be say 5 is ideal for healthy adults. LDL is considered the baddie component, but this is only if the HDL is low and/or the triglycerides are high. More and more labs are now including the ratios in the lab reports, and many of the experts believe it is the ratios that are more important than the actual individual component levels.

The Total/HDL ratio needs to be under 4
The trigs/HDL ratio needs to be under 0.87mmol/l

 

[kittypoker]

what is the KD in LVKD?

I believe the KD stands for ketogenic diet so is similar to VLC (very low carb).

It might help if we low carbers could standardise our terms.

 

[Winnie53]

what is the KD in LVKD?

Thanks for asking! I usually write out what I'm referring to when using acronyms...

Low Carbohydrate High Fat (LCHF) is 50 - 150 g carbs
Low Carbohydrate Ketogenic Diet (LCKD) is less than 50 g carbs

I suppose the Very Low Carbohydrate Ketogenic Diet, typically 20 g carbs or less, could be referred to as VLCKD, but because I include a variety of vegetables with all meals, I probably hover closer to 50 g carbs a day.