Type 2 To eat or not to eat ...

[Ultramum]

Got up at 7.20 am - FBG was 8.8
By breakfast it was 9.5 (2 scrambled eggs with butter and cream and smoked salmon with 2 mushrooms cooked in butter)
2 hours post breakfast 10.3

Just back from church at 12.30 and it's reading 9.9

Got a lamb dinner ready for family. As the title says ... do I have dinner or not?

I don't feel particularly hungry but my BG has a habit of starting to rise again if I go more than four hours between food (that's what I've seen from my readings over the last four weeks)

My plan at the moment is to test again at 1 pm and see which way it is going but I'd really like to have it at the bottom of the 9s or less.

I'm thinking of perhaps having 1/2 an avocado to stop it in its tracks whether it is on the rise or not and then having my lamb leeks and cabbage tonight.

I'd value any thoughts

Edited to say that I'm following LCHF and about 20-30 g carbs a day - nearly all in the evening plus added what I had for breakfast!

 

[Ultramum]

9.1 at 1pm so going for a 1.5 km walk followed by the 1/2 avocado

Still appreciate any thoughts on what to do when my body is running high

 

[Enclave]

Edited to say that I'm following LCHF and about 20-30 g carbs a day - nearly all in the evening plus added what I had for breakfast!

Your numbers are quite high for a 20g of carbs a day.. have you looked to see if you are eating hidden carbs somewhere. How long have you been doing the low carb high fat way of eating ?

 

[daisyduck]

Are you feeling well? or stressed ? I noticed my BG creeping up slightly into the 7's over the last few days, which it rarely does now.
I've put it down to being worried about hubby who is still unwell, but I woke up with a sore throat this morning.. I think our BG is sometimes an early warning system.

 

[Ultramum]

Your numbers are quite high for a 20g of carbs a day.. have you looked to see if you are eating hidden carbs somewhere. How long have you been doing the low carb high fat way of eating ?

Weighing and measuring all carbs and noting them on MySugr

Four weeks - three weeks of monitoring

Overall my 2 hrs after meals BG are rising less than 1 and I end up mid 7's by bedtime.

Since starting LCHF a graph of my FBGs shows a downwards trends so happy with that.

The other main trend I have noticed is that the later I get up and consequently have breakfast the higher the FBG as my starting point and hence my readings.

I tried fasting one morning and they just kept on going up and up reaching mid 11s by mid morning. They also start to rise if I have breakfast at 5.30 am and then don't eat again until gone midday.

Obviously my liver is very good at thinking my system needs extra glucose and starting up production :-(

I have set my Fitbit to wake me at 6am from now on as any form of lie in knocks my FBG on the head! It's just how to manage what I eat when my sugars are high from the start of the day.

Edited to say my predicted Hba1c from MySugr is down to 51 from 68 at the start of Feb

 

[Dairygrade]

Hi daisyduck just like to know how your husband doing with all he's got going on and you're sore throat looks like you've got a cold coming on not surprised you've probably got run down worrying about husband please let us know take care.

 

[Chook]

Personally I'd eat the roast lamb with your family but go very light on the veg (not for any reason connected to D but more as a family time occasion thing) and, maybe, put mint sauce on the lamb as vinegar can help with lowering BG. Then have the avocado this evening with a bit of protein.

You probably have done this, but have you tried drinking a pint of water when your BG goes very high?

 

[daisyduck]

Thanks @Dairygrade He had to stop the antibiotic as it gave him severe stomach pains and vomiting. Only 3 days taken so the water infection may return. We're seeing the doctor again on Tuesday . He's just lethargic, and has tummy pain and constipation now ! We've put that down to not eating much and bringing most of it back up.

 

[Chook]

Whoops - meant to say - you could try increasing the size of your breakfast. I've just recently noticed that I can stop or really slow down DP by eating more protein and fat first thing.

 

[Kristin251]

Thoughts ...
I need to eat right When I get up or I keep going up.
I need to keep bf almost no carb and very little protein. I have half an avocado with a few small celery pieces and a thin slice deli turkey at around 8 am. Then I have a few nuts around 11 and 1.
Lunch at 3 is more avocado and some protein( 2 oz)and a few raw veg
Dinner is more avocado protein (2-3 oz) and veg

I am under 20 c per day, 80% fat, 15% protein and 5% carbs. Fats are mostly avocado, olive oil, nuts, pumpkin seeds, olives and mayo

If I fast in the morning the rise never stops no matter how much insulin I take.
I could skip lunch without rising but I don't. I like it but all my meals are snack sized. Then a few snacks in between.

I have to keep my protein low as it rises me almost as much as carbs via gluxoneogenisis. I never eat more than 3 oz at a time. Keeping my protein moderate was the key to keeping my bs lower. The formula is .8-1g per kg do IDEAL body weight. I eat 40-45 g a day divided mostly into lunch and dinner. Just a small thin piece of organic deli turkey with my avocado bf. Could you be over eating protein? Protein is often over looked as a culprit. It also fills glycogen stores and once they're full the blood glucose has no where to go except float around and this will keep you higher. One good way to empty them without a full fast is to do a fat fast for a day or so. Eating mostly just fat. Things like avocado, egg YOLKS ( not whites) with mayo. Butter etc. Very low protein and almost zero carbs. I could easily do an avocado day and just eat that. Or have the yolk and mayo too. A few nuts. Once you deplete glycogen stores you should see your numbers come down. Slow to moderate paced walks help. For some brisk walks will raise bs.

Avocado seems to keep everything low and slow for me. I eat 2 oz at every meal. Without it the protein jacks me up higher and I don't come back down.

There, a few things to think ponder

 

[Bluetit1802]

Once you deplete glycogen stores you should see your numbers come down

Indeed, but the second you go back to normal low carb eating as opposed to fasting in some way, the glycogen stores will fill up again. It's a vicious circle.

 

[Kristin251]

Indeed, but the second you go back to normal low carb eating as opposed to fasting in some way, the glycogen stores will fill up again. It's a vicious circle.

I thought the op was vlc? I could be wrong. And I so know how fast they fill up. When I over indulge in protein it takes a few days to get bs back down and stay down. If I want I do an avocado ( fat fast) day and that speeds things up.

 

[Ultramum]

Personally I'd eat the roast lamb with your family but go very light on the veg (not for any reason connected to D but more as a family time occasion thing) and, maybe, put mint sauce on the lamb as vinegar can help with lowering BG. Then have the avocado this evening with a bit of protein.

You probably have done this, but have you tried drinking a pint of water when your BG goes very high?

Went for a walk round the block and having the lamb tonight - family meals all a it hit and miss with low carbing at moment and hubby is understanding - son didn't appear anyway! I'll have mint sauce with my lamb then

Been checking BG half hourly and it is slowly going down. My body gets a bit fake hypo when I get down to 7.5 or less - I tend to ignore it so it doesn't think it'll get fed and will just get used to it.

Just had 1/2 avocado and a cup of Bovril at 7.1.

How does the water bring it down? I've not tried that.

 

[Ultramum]

Whoops - meant to say - you could try increasing the size of your breakfast. I've just recently noticed that I can stop or really slow down DP by eating more protein and fat first thing.

More breakfast! Keep waking hubby by cluttering about in the kitchen at an unearthly hour! :-D Thankfully he still loves me!

So bacon AND egg AND cheese all cooked in butter with cream in my coffee?

 

[Bluetit1802]

I'll have mint sauce with my lamb then

If it is a jar, check the carbs and only have a small spoonful. They do put sugar in. It spikes me.

 

[Chook]

More breakfast! Keep waking hubby by cluttering about in the kitchen at an unearthly hour! :-D Thankfully he still loves me!

So bacon AND egg AND cheese all cooked in butter with cream in my coffee?

Get him to cook brekkie for you... you're worth it!

I don't know how the water works but it does to a limited extent. (Maybe it dilutes your blood.). I know about it through having to ring NHS Direct after a dippy barmaid gave me full sugar instead of diet drinks.

All pickled or fermented foods (like sauerkraut) are good for controlling BG.

 

[Bluetit1802]

More breakfast! Keep waking hubby by cluttering about in the kitchen at an unearthly hour! :-D Thankfully he still loves me!

So bacon AND egg AND cheese all cooked in butter with cream in my coffee?

Steady on if you have weight to lose. Lots of calories there.

 

[Bluetit1802]

Get him to cook brekkie for you... you're worth it!

I don't know how the water works but it does to a limited extent. (Maybe it dilutes your blood.). I know about it through having to ring NHS Direct after a dippy barmaid gave me full sugar instead of diet drinks.

All pickled or fermented foods (like sauerkraut) are good for controlling BG.

I don't believe water will reduce BS levels. It is mainly to flush out the kidneys to get rid of any excess glucose or nasty ketones lurking in there, and of course hydration is good for us all.

 

[Ultramum]

Thoughts ...
I need to eat right When I get up or I keep going up.

That seems to be the same for me - going to 'be early to bed early to rise' for a while ...

all my meals are snack sized. Then a few snacks in between.

I've been considering this - when I have got up early and eaten at say 5.30 am then my liver seems to go back into production and I get a rise at about 11.30 ish so snacks seem like a possible way to go.

Protein is often over looked as a culprit. It also fills glycogen stores and once they're full the blood glucose has no where to go except float around and this will keep you higher. One good way to empty them without a full fast is to do a fat fast for a day or so. Eating mostly just fat. Things like avocado, egg YOLKS ( not whites) with mayo. Butter etc. Very low protein and almost zero carbs. I could easily do an avocado day and just eat that. Or have the yolk and mayo too. A few nuts.

I've seen this several times - I need to do a bit more research into the physiology and get my head round this - perhaps after a few more weeks of standard LCHF ...

Once you deplete glycogen stores you should see your numbers come down. Slow to moderate paced walks help. For some brisk walks will raise bs ..... There, a few things to think ponder

I think my liver has a huge store to get rid of ... Brisk walks are a no no for me - that is the only time I've been up in the 11s again. Lots to ponder - Thank you

 

[Daibell]

Hi. Am I right in saying you are a bit overweight as I noticed the 118cm waist measure? As you continue with the low-carb diet the weight should go down and so should the BS so just keep at it. That Sitagliptin dose of 25mg seems quite low as I thought the standard dose was 100mg but I may be wrong and we're all different and with a bit of luck before long you may not even need it.