TV Programme, "Will my Crash Diet kill me?" on now

[jaykay]

On Channel 4 now, tv programme "Will my Crash Diet Kill me?" They are doing the Dukan diet, so I don't know if anyone wants to catch it on +1. Not really applicable to Diabetics per se but quite interesting all the same.

 

[noblehead]

Caught the first 5 minutes but had to go out and didn't see the rest of the programme, was it any good and what was the overall verdict at the end?

Nigel

 

[louiseb]

Caught the first 5 minutes but had to go out and didn't see the rest of the programme, was it any good and what was the overall verdict at the end?

Nigel

I watched it, I thought it was good infact I am going to try a crash diet just for a week
according to new research from america it can be benificial to kick start a diet by following a crash diet for a couple of weeks to start off when you are very overweight.
I need to loose about 20 pounds.
it warned but if you undertake a crash diet you need to consult the doctor and dont partake in alot of excercise.
the guy who took part in the elimation diet lost the most about 15 pounds in less than 2 weeks.
the dukan diet just seemed to the same as askins to me or maybe im missing something.
what I did learn from the show is eating a diet high in protein like atkins can damage your kidneys so I wont be trying any diet that involves high amounts of protein.
Also something else I learned was the woman taking part in the lighhter life diet which involved eating around 550 kcals per day had went into a state of ketosis fat burning mode as she was affectly starving herself as so was in fat buring mode. I always thought only diets like atkins caused ketosis now I know different :lol: .

 

[lovinglife]

I have sky+ it so haven't watched it yet - I watched last week where they did the maple syrup diet, Cambridge diet and the cabbage soup diet -personally I don't agree with fad diets - they all lost weight but all had problems of lack of energy, hair loss, dizziness etc

The cabbage soup diet was interesting though - for a diet controlled low carber T2 it doesn't seem too harmful to do for a week to kick of weight loss - wouldn't stray far from a loo though! :evil: - on some days you have to have certain foods like steak and there was one day where you had to have a carby food - can't remember what it was though - sorry

found it all very interesting - The doctor did say to a lady last week that she needed to have a balanced diet - a bit of everything - it wasn't what she was eating but her portion size - the docs words were " you need a bit of everything but small portions - if that means eating your meal on a saucer then that's what you have to do - as long as it contains all food groups"

 

[phoenix]

I half watched it. One thing that jumped out at me was a mention that the Dukan (very high protein diet) could cause constipation/ haemorrhoids. A French magazine I picked up recently had a booklet of Dukan recipes, it included making mayonnaise Dukan and vinaigrette Dukan both made from liquid parrafin, (mineral oil) presumably in an attempt to prevent this ...ugh!

 

[sugar2]

I didn't mean to watch it...but did!

It seemed to me that what they concluded was that crash diets are good...for a wekk or so, but danger if you do them for longer. That was teh general conclusion though...diabetics not mentioned.

Info for Patch.

I did hear them say, that eating a high protein diet, suppresses teh appetite by increasing xxxxxxx in the gut. Alas, I missed the entire phrase, but it did remind me of Patchs post!

 

[Patch]

I did hear them say, that eating a high protein diet, suppresses teh appetite by increasing xxxxxxx in the gut. Alas, I missed the entire phrase, but it did remind me of Patchs post!

Interesting. I didn't watch it, but I might catch it in the iPlayer.

I HAVE to know what xxxxxxxx is!!!

I've done a bit of research on Intermitant Fasting. Maybe that is similar to crash dieting for a week to kick-start weight loss?

 

[noblehead]

it warned but if you undertake a crash diet you need to consult the doctor and dont partake in alot of excercise.
the guy who took part in the elimation diet lost the most about 15 pounds in less than 2 weeks.
the dukan diet just seemed to the same as askins to me or maybe im missing something.
what I did learn from the show is eating a diet high in protein like atkins can damage your kidneys so I wont be trying any diet that involves high amounts of protein.

That comes as no surprise louise that a high protein diet can damage the kidneys. I've mentioned this on the forum a few times over the last 12-18 months, my diabetes specialist advises all his patients that a diet high in protein can lead to kidney disease, most on here argue that this is only applicable to those with a existing kidney condition, but as I said I've heard it from the 'expert 'and this is why I limit my intake to safe levels.

Nigel

 

[lovinglife]

for patch

The narrator said - "some scientific research suggests that protein rich diets spark glucose production in your small intestine making you feel fuller longer"I

may be totally wrong but isn't that what we as diabetics are trying to avoid? - not trying to start another low carb war- just totally confused :?

 

[jaykay]

Yes LL, I caught that too and was going to ask what people thought.

 

[Patch]

Can the small intestine produce glucose? Learn something new everyday.

Nige - if you can show me any evidence that a protein rich diet causes kidney complications I'd be very surprised. I've looked, and found nothing convincing.

Although the words might, could and may featured heavily... :wink: Until I read does, was found to and proven, I'll be taking thier advice with a pinch of (Celtic Grey Sea) salt.

 

[catherinecherub]

The way that I understand this is that glucose production is increased in the intestines by the protein. This is sensed by the liver and it relays this message to the brain. The brain gets the message that you are full and your appetite is decreased. This happens in the same way with a high fibre diet or using resistant starches.

 

[catherinecherub]

Patch,
Whilst there may or may not be any evidence the risk is there.

When the protein is metabolised it is broken down into amino acid. Any extra amino acids, as a result of eating large portions of protein, are stripped of nitrogen and this is transported to your kidneys and liver where it can cause injury. One of the risks is this can cause kidney stones because the kidneys have to work harder to eliminate the extra urea and uric acid. The kidneys have to steal calcium from the bones to enable this process. This calcium builds up in the kidneys and forms kidney stones.

 

[Patch]

I understand that - but kidney stones are not as common as people that eat high amounts of protein. We partially understand the process, but we don't have all of the answers. People that are prone to kidney stones will continue to develop them even after they cut their intake of protein.

I suppose the best we can do is to continue to monitor kidney function at our regular diabetes reviews...

 

[louiseb]

I understand that - but kidney stones are not as common as people that eat high amounts of protein. We partially understand the process, but we don't have all of the answers. People that are prone to kidney stones will continue to develop them even after they cut their intake of protein.

I suppose the best we can do is to continue to monitor kidney function at our regular diabetes reviews...

I have kidney stones I have 2 large stones in my left kidney one the size of stone you find in a plum the other is nearly as big as a potatoe.
I also a very tiny stone in my ureta (dont think that is correct spelling) im waiting for surgery to have this removed and ultrasound wave therapy to break up the larger stones.
I am currently attending a hospital clinic led by a uroligist.
I had a metabolic assessment carried where I had to collect a 24 hour urine sample to be tested.
as a result of the metabolic assessment I was advised on some food types I had to greatly reduce in my diet one of which was protein and to date I have formed no new stones over the past year which is good for me as I was constantly forming new ones in the past.
however dont know if this is a coincidence as I have crohns disease which can be a a major factor in kidney stone formation and my crohns disease has been in remission for the last year.
oh and I must add if there is even the smallest chance that a diet very high in protein can cause kidney stones I would avoid it like the plague becuase beleive me kidney stones are horrendous the pain is not even describable

 

[Patch]

I can't imagine how painful it is. I hope you get yours sorted quickly, with as little pain as possible.

 

[phoenix]

catherinecherub
The way that I understand this is that glucose production is increased in the intestines by the protein. This is sensed by the liver and it relays this message to the brain. The brain gets the message that you are full and your appetite is decreased. This happens in the same way with a high fibre diet or using resistant starches

I thought this was interesting so did a bit of looking up. I found there's a lot of recent research to suggest this is the case but as far as I can see the research is on animals.I did find one study that challenges the theory since it disputes that glucose production in the intestine happens at all: at least it didn't happen in a set of T1 rats.

This very complicated paper explains
Portal sensing of intestinal gluconeogenesis is a mechanistic
link in the diminution of food intake induced by diet protein http://www.sbri.fr/files/publications/m ... 0metab.pdf

Interestingly I found some researchers think that one of the mechanisms for the 'reversal' of T2 after gastric bypass is that it results in increased intestinal gluconeogenesis (glucose production) and this in turn surpresses the production of glucose from the liver.
http://www.lerner.ccf.org/pathobio/kirw ... tJObes.pdf

 

[Patch]

Interestingly I found some researchers think that one of the mechanisms for the 'reversal' of T2 after gastric bypass is that it results in increased intestinal gluconeogenesis (glucose production) and this in turn surpresses the production of glucose from the liver.
http://www.lerner.ccf.org/pathobio/kirw ... tJObes.pdf

Golden! Thanks for sharing.

 

[noblehead]

Nige - if you can show me any evidence that a protein rich diet causes kidney complications I'd be very surprised. I've looked, and found nothing convincing.

Patch.......don't shoot the messenger! :shock: As I said this was told to me by my diabetes specialist and the same advice can be found on the NHS website. Catherine explains the process exceptionally well!

Nigel (all things in moderation :wink: )