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Type 1 Highs in the morning

Jess H95

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Morning,

After a little advise …

Trying to really tighten my control from when I wake up i get a spike then I can not get my sugar below 10 before 10.30am. I have tried having breakfast and injecting not having breakfast and still injecting fast acting … if I do longer back ground insulin I go hypo later in the day.
 
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I have yogurt and granola. I prepare in a tub. As I find I have to eat it over a few hours. When I get up take the full dose of insulin. At the mo. I'm on 1:15g ratio. But for breakfast take 1:10g ratio. Diabetes I find is a trial and error disease. Just make sure you have supply's if you get it wrong. Nobody can really say your doing it wrong as everyone is different. TIR matters. Good luck.
If you have an android phone and Libre2. Give Juggluco a go. Having a constant reading every minute. Also not having to scan. Helps a lot.
 
Morning,

After a little advise …

Trying to really tighten my control from when I wake up i get a spike then I can not get my sugar below 10 before 10.30am. I have tried having breakfast and injecting not having breakfast and still injecting fast acting … if I do longer back ground insulin I go hypo later in the day.

Does sound like you are suffering from Dawn Phenomenon based on the little information given. I would definitely speak to your diabetes team but I know that some people split their background insulin which helps but I wouldn’t personally do that without talking to my doctor first. I am one of the unfortunate ones who just couldn’t get the dawn phenomenon to stop even with insulin changes and ended up being moved onto an insulin pump.
 
I used to get this too. I was also switched from glargine to treciba which keeps it level really well over night (the glargine would always make it go low in the night, then high in the morning) I'm now doing low carb and no carbs after 8pm. I don't even eat breakfast (don't jump on me lol) but when I have breakfast my sugars go higher, so I just have a coffee and eat at lunch time. Like the other person just said though, everybody is different so it's a matter of finding out what works for you.
 
Personally I find it depends on what I eat at this time of day, if I eat carbs then i go high and stay high till lunch, if I eat plain yoghurt and a few blueberries I can stay in range fine, so I avoid carbs in the morning, I can eat them later in the day when more active and I manage fine then.
 
Getting out of bed makes me rise very predictably, even if my overnight numbers are perfectly level.
For me the solution was to inject for that glucose boost from my liver before getting out of bed, no different than I would for a glucose boost from food. This is of course only possible if the rise is very predictable.

It didn't work so well when I was on NovoRapid, which was too slow to catch the rise, but on Fiasp I can usually stay more or less level after getting up.
 
I have dawn phenomenon which starts as soon as I wake up, if it's not hot (as the past few days have changed things) I'd take probably 3.5U novorapid as soon as I get up to cover the dawn phenomenon and two cups of coffee (2x5g CHO) and then expect to be somewhere half decent once I've done the school runs and am back at home. I'm unsure how much is dawn phenomenon and how much is a reaction to the first few cups of coffee (i.e. the caffeine) - I must try to work this out eventually.
 
Hi! I feel that if it is the dawn phenomenon (DP) then I have some tips which might help. I take my long-lasting in the evening before bed (Tresiba). What I have found helps is

A. Shifting my overnight dose. If during the day I ate lower carb and was more active I would take the lower end of my scale, but if I had more carbs during the day/ was less active, I up my dose. It sometimes takes a moment to find what this range for you may be, but it has changed the dawn phenomenon for me a lot and I'm now super steady in the AM.
B. If you notice a time that your sugar is rising (I think the average rise time for the DP is 5-6 AM, but everyone is different), then set an alarm and take some fast-acting to keep it from rising. I had to use this method for a little bit when I was recovering from high sugars and it reset my body to then just use my Long-lasting scale.
C. High protein meals can also hit a lot later. If you eat chicken or steak for dinner for example, they actually cause a rise in sugar hours later. For some, this effect is minimal, but for others, it will go up a lot. Of course this also depends on serving size and what time you eat too. If I do have steak and hour or two before bed, I do see myself rise during the night about four to five hours later. Every body is different and the same goes for everyone's reaction to foods/insulin, so don't be hard on yourself if some of this is the case.

If it is not the DP I have some other tips:

A. Some people are more insulin resistant in the AM. This is normal as the body is still waking. If you like working out or walking in the morning, it helps lower insulin resistance and lowers sugar. Keep in mind though, if you do this and do high intensity workouts, to take some insulin before as those actually will up sugar. But it still will make your body less insulin resistant that day. Low intensity lowers, so no insulin needed before!
B. Take insulin further in time before you eat/correction if needed and wait until you start dropping in lower numbers. If it is a little insulin resistant and you usually wake then eat, I would maybe set an alarm a little earlier, take a shot, and go back to sleep until you need to wake. Then the insulin can really start working so you can eat and enjoy your morning without the high sugar stress.
C. I actually don't know how I got on UK Diabetes as I am from US, so I will have to double check this next one, but in the US we had a newer insulin called Afrezza released which is inhaled. This powder works ASAP so you can use to bring down frustrating raising sugars or take before you eat (I do combo with injection). But this helped me immensely with higher sugars. Its peak is shorter than injection but it works faster which is why I do the combo. If you do have the ability to get this, it is amazing, but also the dosing is different than injection so keep in mind ;)

Lastly, this again effects all people differently, but for me stress is big challenge to my numbers. Be aware if you do have this spicy little extra challenge and are a stressed person or find your AM to be more hectic, take higher doses and correction more frequently. Stress for me is always a battle as it is different depending on the situation, but I do have to up my intake when I have some. Again, there's always a little trial and error for this.

Good luck and you will get to the bottom of it! I promise. Personally I had high sugars for six years and was diagnosed at 17. My situation was solved in literally a day when I found a doctor who genuinely listened to me and created a very personal plan (that fit my life and needs)! Make sure you're heard by your team too when sharing concerns or 'betes stress. It's truly not one size fits all!
 
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