Type 2 what can I eat

[johnnyxs]

I respect your right as a Moderator to censor my post although respectfully disagree with both your opinion and dietary advice in respect of type 2 Diabetes . This forum is full of misguided opinion and factual errors and with a 30 year legacy of the wrong dietary information that has caused the current World wide Diabetes epidemic my feeling is that correct information is more important than political correctness. The current Public Health England dietary advice is a case in point.

Three of my family have now died of T2 Diabetes it is a deadly condition, not a disease and if left uncontrolled can lead to serious ill health, debilitation, amputation and Death so it needs to be taken seriously

The original poster asked for advice on a suitable diet to reduce his blood sugar levels given that he they had just been diagnosed T2 and taking Metformin .
The information and advice I gave was not based on my personal experience or opinion it was based on considerable published Scientific and Medical research backed up by Meta Analysis. I would be glad to provide links to the published research papers I refer to but thought that most folk usually just want someone to give them the 'bottom line'

I think that if you refer to my original post and the section that you have quoted, out of context, you will see that I did not recommend cutting out a food group for ever ...I took care to qualify my advice by stating that it would be advisable to eliminate carbs until their current blood sugar levels reduce to within acceptable levels.

Perhaps the question we should all be asking is why has the poster's Doctor not provided them with appropriate dietary and lifestyle advice !?...............

 

[Resurgam]

• vegetables
  • nonstarchy: includes broccoli, carrots, greens, peppers, and tomatoes
  • starchy: includes potatoes, corn, and green peas
• fruits—includes oranges, melon, berries, apples, bananas, and grapes
• grains—at least half of your grains for the day should be whole grains
  • includes wheat, rice, oats, cornmeal, barley, and quinoa
  • examples: bread, pasta, cereal, and tortillas
• protein
  • lean meat
  • chicken or turkey without the skin
  • fish
  • eggs
  • nuts and peanuts
  • dried beans and certain peas, such as chickpeas and split peas
  • meat substitutes, such as tofu
• dairy—nonfat or low fat
  • milk or lactose-free milk if you have lactose intolerance
  • yogurt
  • cheese

Foods and drinks to limit include

• fried foods and other foods high in saturated fat and trans fat
• foods high in salt, also called sodium
• sweets, such as baked goods, candy, and ice cream
• beverages with added sugars, such as juice, regular soda, and regular sports or energy drinks

Drink water instead of sweetened beverages. Consider using a sugar substitute in your coffee or tea.

Having gone back to see what this actually advises - No - just no - don't try to follow this in its entirity if you are a type two and you want to get into normal numbers.
It is advising you to eat a quantity of high carb foods every day and the standard type two diabetic cannot deal with carbohydrate - why endanger yourself?
It is good in parts - but for me very few parts, and as a whole best ignored, look for information on how to find out what you can eat, as we are all different.

 

[Goonergal]

The original poster asked for advice on a suitable diet to reduce his blood sugar levels given that he they had just been diagnosed T2 and taking Metformin .
The information and advice I gave was not based on my personal experience or opinion it was based on considerable published Scientific and Medical research backed up by Meta Analysis. I would be glad to provide links to the published research papers I refer to but thought that most folk usually just want someone to give them the 'bottom line'

Hi. I think this is always a difficult balance when responding to someone who is newly diagnosed and very much a judgement call. Some people relate very well to the personal experiences of others; others more to hard ‘facts’ and evidence; others still a mix of the two.

The broad principles on which this forum is based are that we should make it clear when we are speaking from personal experience or when we’re referring to evidenced information. In the case of the latter, it’s important to avoid stating one’s own opinion as though it’s fact, however evidence based it might be. A good way to do this is to provide links to external sources (to allow others to make up their own minds). Alternatively, just be mindful of the language used so that there is room for the opinions of others to be considered.

Perhaps the question we should all be asking is why has the poster's Doctor not provided them with appropriate dietary and lifestyle advice !?...............

Totally!

And to directly respond to @Mani0208 ’s original question, I don’t think you can go far wrong as a type 2 following the advice on this website - https://www.dietdoctor.com/

 

[Mani0208]

OK thank you very much.

 

[johnnyxs]

I think its important to point out that the link that you provided Dietdoctor.com is a Weight Loss website ......there is nothing relevant to appropriate Nutrition for T2 Diabetics in fact the whole diet plan is full of Carbohydrates which will send blood sugar rocketing . This is just the sort of misleading advice and information I was talking about .

As a T2 Diabetic I am not interested in opinions or anecdotes of how to lose weight or eat healthy per se unless its relevant to Diabetes. My primary interest is in offering facts that have been proven by extensive Scientific and Medical research ....Meta Analysis Peer reviewed and published in professional Journals like the Lancet .

Zoe Harcombe , a UK Nutritionist has exposed the flaws in the Public health England food pyramid Nutritional advice in an address to Westminster this very short talk by her on Nutrition dispels all the myths and fake information about the food we eat and Macro and Micro Nutrients.

 

[Goonergal]

I think its important to point out that the link that you provided Dietdoctor.com is a Weight Loss website ......there is nothing relevant to appropriate Nutrition for T2 Diabetics in fact the whole diet plan is full of Carbohydrates everywhere which as every T2 Diabetic knows sends blood sugar rocketing . This is just the sort of misleading advice and information I was talking about .

@johnnyxs I do not wish to derail this thread but it is important that the OP and others reading this thread are not misled.

I have no vested interest in the dietdoctor.com website. The dietdoctor website does indeed focus on weight loss, but it also focuses on a low carb and ketogenic way of eating. Both of those are entirely compatible with managing type 2 diabetes.

Low carb can mean many things - the official definition is <130g a day. Keto is usually between 20-30g a day. The dietdoctor website is often recommended for those newly diagnosed as it includes many simple, visual guides which indicate the carb levels in common foods. The level of carbs which can ‘safely’ be consumed while effectively managing type 2 diabetes (and by that I mean achieving a non-diabetic HbA1c) will vary from individual to individual. It is therefore important not to be prescriptive for every newly diagnosed person that comes along.

What they need is information - carbs will impact blood glucose - and tools - a glucometer - so that they can make their own decisions.

For what it’s worth I personally eat a largely (95%) carnivore diet, as close to zero carb as I can feasibly get. This has successfully ‘reversed’ my type 2 (details in signature), so I think it’s safe to say I am highly unlikely to recommend any type 2 to eat more carbs than is necessary. However, I am broad minded enough to know that my approach is not for everyone.

 

[Languagelearner]

• vegetables
  • nonstarchy: includes broccoli, carrots, greens, peppers, and tomatoes
  • starchy: includes potatoes, corn, and green peas
• fruits—includes oranges, melon, berries, apples, bananas, and grapes
• grains—at least half of your grains for the day should be whole grains
  • includes wheat, rice, oats, cornmeal, barley, and quinoa
  • examples: bread, pasta, cereal, and tortillas
• protein
  • lean meat
  • chicken or turkey without the skin
  • fish
  • eggs
  • nuts and peanuts
  • dried beans and certain peas, such as chickpeas and split peas
  • meat substitutes, such as tofu
• dairy—nonfat or low fat
  • milk or lactose-free milk if you have lactose intolerance
  • yogurt
  • cheese

Foods and drinks to limit include

• fried foods and other foods high in saturated fat and trans fat
• foods high in salt, also called sodium
• sweets, such as baked goods, candy, and ice cream
• beverages with added sugars, such as juice, regular soda, and regular sports or energy drinks

Drink water instead of sweetened beverages. Consider using a sugar substitute in your coffee or tea.

As people have said, this list is the very advice that got people diabetic in the first place. There is nothing wrong with saturated fat, and carbohydrates like potatoes should not be on the list., The dairy is questionable - if it is on the list at all, it should be full-fat dairy only. I'm afraid Alan, a nurse who knew nothing about diabetes gave you that list.

 

[Resurgam]

Humans did not evolve eating grain, and the sugar content of fruits has been increased by selective breeding - even tomatoes (botanically a fruit) are now sweeter, particularly the small 'cherry' type.