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Type 2's: What was your fasting blood glucose in a morning?

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@daddy's1 as you rightly say you need to compare your own numbers - current with how they were. Don't compare with mine for instance as I'm pre-diabetic, no meds but getting on this website and taking part in forums, especially this one and @kman 's terminal and scared thread has helped me tremendously
 
@daddys1

I agree, it is unwise to compare your own levels to anyone else's. We are all at different stages, we all have different degrees of insulin resistance and pancreatic damage (if any), we are all on different meds (if any), we all have different eating plans and different ideas about how to gain and keep control. Just keep records of all your readings, work out monthly or weekly averages for each individual set of data rather than an average of all readings, and watch how your averages come down. That's all you can and should do, and worrying too much won't help!
 
It is important to remember that we have no idea what our levels were before we started testing but were non diabetics. There is a range of values attributed to that status and we may always have been higher than others. I know it's tempting to compare ourselves to others on here, but we are all individuals and I reckon as long as my levels are ok, then I 'm doing the best by myself. Personally I feel really quite ill lower than 4.5 so won't be chasing the lower numbers some seem quite comfortable with. Equally , I have set myself a target of under 6.5 at 2 hrs, preferably under 6 as I feel more comfortable with those figures on my meter. It's about learning what works best for us. X
 
Yes, @cold ethyl is right about what base levels are natural to us (what we were before diabetes) as that varies so much between individuals, which is why we see a range of desirable numbers rather than just a maximum number. I do know what my pre-diabetes fasting numbers were as I had a test annually as part of my over 60's MOT. Mine were all in the low 5's. Never had a 4. My husband's are all in the 4's. From this I gather I have sweet blood and can probably never aspire to fasting levels below the low 5's.
 
@AndBreathe

I'm fascinated to hear that you have been taken off the diabetic register.
You're not the first I've heard of.

How did you go about that and what sort of resistance did you meet?

Vinny - I was there to discuss my lipid profile, which the GP wasn't too thrilled about. We had a long discussion, during which she commented on the "homework" I had done in preparation, and my systematic approach. I challenged (for the second time), the blanket "all diabetics should be offered statins" approach, asking at which point would someone like me, with a few non-diabetic HbA1cs have some form of discounting applied to that blanket approach. She then suggested, that to be fair, I appeared to have sorted the diabetes side of things out, and she'd be willing to discount it now - but she still didn't much care for my lipid profile.

When we were winding up, I asked what protocols were in place, should I continue with non-diabetic HbA1cs. She confirmed there are no official guidelines, but that based on what she could see; both blood scores and physical data and listening to my engagement and knowledge, she would be happy to remove me from the register, if that's what I wanted. I suggested I'd be happy with that, but might be concerned if it meant no more routine HbA1cs. To be fair she said she could then only offer me annual tests, but that was how it was going, based on control anyway. She also confirmed I would never be refused any request, based on a concern, so we shook on it, so to speak.

I'm content I lose almost nothing; aside from foot checks and free eye tests. My optician does retinopathy photography anyway, so there is a watch on there, and I'm content that Mr B can tickle my feet from time to time.

Vinny, if you want to go along the same route (and I can understand and respect why it isn't for everyone), then I suggest going in for a discussion, with a view to agreeing what will happen, and when, should certain scores be met. I was a bit taken aback to be honest. I hadn't expected it.
 
It is important to remember that we have no idea what our levels were before we started testing but were non diabetics. There is a range of values attributed to that status and we may always have been higher than others. I know it's tempting to compare ourselves to others on here, but we are all individuals and I reckon as long as my levels are ok, then I 'm doing the best by myself. Personally I feel really quite ill lower than 4.5 so won't be chasing the lower numbers some seem quite comfortable with. Equally , I have set myself a target of under 6.5 at 2 hrs, preferably under 6 as I feel more comfortable with those figures on my meter. It's about learning what works best for us. X

I agree we're all different, and my numbers seem to run quite low, across my day, these days. I think someone posting low scores like me can be both a help and hindrance. I understand for some people they might seem unattainable, but for others might be motivational. I hope I don't come across as purring in my own vaingloriousness. That's not what I'm about,......... I hope!
 
I agree we're all different, and my numbers seem to run quite low, across my day, these days. I think someone posting low scores like me can be both a help and hindrance. I understand for some people they might seem unattainable, but for others might be motivational. I hope I don't come across as purring in my own vaingloriousness. That's not what I'm about,......... I hope!

I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
 
I agree we're all different, and my numbers seem to run quite low, across my day, these days. I think someone posting low scores like me can be both a help and hindrance. I understand for some people they might seem unattainable, but for others might be motivational. I hope I don't come across as purring in my own vaingloriousness. That's not what I'm about,......... I hope!

No not at all. My point was that we each have our own range and have to work that for ourselves. I suffer from panic disorder and know at under 4.6 the adrenalin kicks in and sets that off so running lower isn't best thing for me. I guess I was trying to say that there comes a point at which we have to go with what nature has thrown our way so shouldn't compare ourselves negatively to others. Those numbers are what you've achieved by your efforts so good on you. I might do exactly the same and never get that low but that doesn't mean I'm a failure. I think we all need to work at self love.
 
I agree we're all different, and my numbers seem to run quite low, across my day, these days. I think someone posting low scores like me can be both a help and hindrance. I understand for some people they might seem unattainable, but for others might be motivational. I hope I don't come across as purring in my own vaingloriousness. That's not what I'm about,......... I hope!
Well done you! Great news
 
Daddy's, I have never taken meds, and the desire not to was one of my big motivators, to be honest.

Post-diagnosis, I started testing perhaps a week or so after diagnosis, once I concluded the Diastix I had been given to test my urine were the chocolate teapot of the diabetes control world. So, I guess, I may have had spikes I never saw, as I started watching my diet pretty immediately. To be fair, I didn't get the whole carb versus sugar bit at that time. I was concentrating on sugars.

In total, I had 11 readings, over a span of 15 days, recording scores of greater than 7.8. Without going into ad nauseaum detail, I was only testing three times a day. I was overseas and had pre-defines supply of strips I was unable to supplement there, so I am confident there will have been a (probably significant) number of similar scores I didn't ever see. Sorry if that's not as helpful as you might have been asking for, but it's as good as my reality was. (I'm an anally pedantic record keeper.)

There are no formal protocols for dealing with T2s who achieve a number of sets of non-diabetic level blood panels, so it's pretty much up to each practise how they deal with those individuals. I now eat a very varied, and mixed diet, but I haven't had any (and I mean any) chocolate or sugary sweets (desserts or confectionery) since diagnosis. I was never a great sugar hound, and my taste buds are certainly more sensitive to sweetness, so I'm actually supremely un-fussed by that. I also haven't devoured a pack of Kettle Chips (Salsa and Mesquite by preference) either, but I have had the odd one. Generally, I don't actually want to eat as much as I did before; generally.

I did lose weight, and I have ended up very slight; even skinny. My BMI is 19 (5ft 3in and scratching to reach 49kg), so I can't afford to go any lower, for sure. I have some clever sclare which calculate my fat/muscle ratios etc., so I have to ensure if I gain weight, it's muscle, not fat. But mainly these days the benefit of that detail is to reassure myself I am not losing muscle tissue. I have a teenie, tiny waist, but my limbs are very bony, unfortunately. I like being very slim, but I am borderline unattractive at this level of skinniness, to be honest.

For me, I am sure my issue was insulin resistance, related to fat storage around my organs; rather than a failing pancreas, although I will never be really sure of that. So, for me, I am very motivated to remain slim and keep a close eye on my numbers.

Totally reversed? That's a whole, huge debate I won't enter. My reason for wanting my place on the diabetic register to be considered was I hate labels. I hate how labels classify people. And I hated the thought of rocking up to see my Doc at some point with a perfectly decent sore toe, to be told it was probably diabetic neuropathy, without enough (in my view) consideration of the more holistic picture.

I'm not stupid enough to think my problems are guaranteed to be over, forever. I will always be at a higher risk than Jo Public of teetering back towards the diabetes diagnostic line, but to use one of my hackneyed old sayings, "knowledge is power". It's up to me to ensure I don't thrust my head under the sand to that potential or to the real, and permanent need to look after myself.

Finally, I didn't answer your query about the Newcastle Diet. No, I didn't do it, but by virtue of carb cutting, and an associated calorie reduction, I guess I followed a sort of AndBreathe version on it - aiming to reduce my blood scores as my only primary goal, then as those began to moderate, and trimming up for me was easy, I decided I'd finish the job by trimming right up. Again, due to where I was at the time, I didn't weight myself for over 3 months after diagnosis, so by then I knew I had got trim, but I had no idea what that meant in numbers. To be hoest, that was probably helpful to me, because I so often see people chasing weight loss almost as a primary objective, rather than focusing on blood scores, and accepting that a decent diet and carb restriction regime is likely to result in weight loss anyway. Clearly some people find that bit harder than others.

I consider myself extremely luck in this. I haven't had the struggles so many appear to have experienced. I'm not saying it's been a breeze. It hasn't, but without doubt, my OH's unstinting support and acceptance of my sometimes food-nuttery has been so valuable.

I'll keep counting my blessings, with an eye to my meter, and hope I can stay this side of the line. If I can't, I guess I'll end up back on the register, but it won't have been without a good old fight!
Can I add my hearty congratulations , we all know it's not easy & i for one hope that doesn't mean you are going to desert this forum, you have certainly assisted me to get to grips with our problem.

I look forward to hearing from you further.

All the very best
 
I agree we're all different, and my numbers seem to run quite low, across my day, these days. I think someone posting low scores like me can be both a help and hindrance. I understand for some people they might seem unattainable, but for others might be motivational. I hope I don't come across as purring in my own vaingloriousness. That's not what I'm about,......... I hope!
Hi @AndBreathe, I used to think getting controL was unattainable, but people like you have Convinced me that if I work at it, and pay attention to what I eat etc that it is attainable. I love the success stories, they inspire me to push on with this new healthy lifestyle. I know from time to time I will slip, but on the whole I am so committed....that's down to people like you - real people - with real stories. So thank you :)
 
Can I add my hearty congratulations , we all know it's not easy & i for one hope that doesn't mean you are going to desert this forum, you have certainly assisted me to get to grips with our problem.

I look forward to hearing from you further.

All the very best
Thanks John. It's not my intention to push off from the forum, although we all have days and periods when we have unmanageable conflicts on our time. Posting on here helps keep me on the straight and narrow. I won't post false readings, and I want to post decent scores, so I'll stick around.

As in many fields, I think it's important to try to repay the input and support I certainly sucked up during my early days. It still gets lots out of this place and can't think of a period of more than a couple of days when I haven't raised an eyebrow in surprise by something I've learnt.

My journey is still in its beginnings.
 
I'm in the UK at the moment. I spend quite. Bit of the time chasing the sunshine. :)
As do myself and my good lady, but at the moment have to temper the sun chasing with rearing our children, but our time will come lol, our little paradise in Spain is forever calling us but only at school holidays.ImageUploadedByDCUK Forum1417462950.268106.jpg
 
Thank you for all the encouragement.
Sorry I don't know how to copy my original post.

Two months ago I was always in the 16's (T2) and have been a diabetic for 2 years and in total denial of it.

On the 1st October I decided to turn my whole life around. I found my DN wasn't that much help just told me to go away and lose weight.
I then came across this site and read and read and read. Decided most people on here were doing the LCHF plan so I then decided to buy the carbs & Cals book and then when I became a little bit more confident with what I could and couldn't eat i installed the app on my mobile, since that day I haven't looked back.

Originally two years ago my BS was 29. The DN then put me on metformin 4 x500 and it came down to 19. I managed to stabilise it at 16.
I didn't have a clue what to do or how to reduce it until I came on here.

2 months on I've managed to control it to in the 6's with the occasional 4.8's. I'm over the moon and will be going back at the end of December for my three monthly blood checks.
Plus I've lost 2 stone 7lb in that short time too.

I walk 30 mins in the morning before I get myself ready for work and again in the evening. In the evening I park up and before I go in doors I walk another 30 mins.
I know for a fact if I go in doors I won't come out again.

I can't tell you how happy I am now. I know this is a life changing situation just wished I found out all I know now 2 years ago!

I can't tell you how much I appreciate all the feed back you guys give and all the knowledge you share.

Big thank you. X
 
@Foxie

I feel the same, only diagnosed in May found this forum early June never looked back.

So far so good, I hope in time to be able to put something back into this forum since it and much more to the point the people on here are so supportive and informative.

Here Endeth my sermon for the day.

Keep well everyone.
 
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