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bulkbiker · Oct 10, 2018

Dean76 said:
I am interested ...of course. An extra egg on the other hand....

NUTRITION FACTS
Egg:

Amount Per 100 grams
Calories 155 % Daily Value*
Total Fat 11 g 16%
Saturated fat 3.3 g 16%
Polyunsaturated fat 1.4 g
Monounsaturated fat 4.1 g
Cholesterol 373 mg 124%
Sodium 124 mg 5%
Potassium 126 mg 3%
Total Carbohydrate 1.1 g 0%
Dietary fiber 0 g 0%
Sugar 1.1 g
Protein 13 g 26%
Vitamin A 10%
Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 5%
Iron 6%
Vitamin D 21%
Vitamin B-6 5%
Vitamin B-12 18%
Magnesium 2%

The science is clear that up to 3 whole eggs per day are perfectly safe for healthy people. Summary Eggs consistently raise HDL (the “good”) cholesterol. For 70% of people, there is no increase in total or LDL cholesterol. Some people may experience a mild increase in a benign subtype of LDL. A study of ‘eggs’ for years globally was thought to be a major contributor and any more than 2 was bad or seen as greedy. At the University of Southampton for coronary heart disease they found a pattern in those people that developed heart problems against those with hereditary heart conditions. The ‘furring’ of arteries during their investigations uncovered a particular pattern of their dietary habits. Most if not all consumed Prawns. The amount of cholesterol in your blood plays a role in heart health since high levels are a major risk for coronary heart disease, heart attack and stroke. LDL(the bad)(low-density lipoproteins) in particular, is a bad form of cholesterol that can build up on the inside of your artery walls. It can combine with other substances and create thick, hard deposits known as plaque. This is dangerous because over time, plaque can cause your arteries to stiffen and become narrow, setting the stage for blockage.

Coming down, this morning was definitely that and to pep my health back up I tucked slowly and lovingly in to a Mcd’s D-Sausage Muffin and a Bacon flat bread. Took a test 2 hours later after eating and my mmol/l had come down. I think today I had hit starve central. I have always eaten clean, today was a treat. This is week 4 and I am down to 95kg’s from 115kg. So I doubt 3 little eggs would have been an issue. The Weetabix however....is 2 biscuits of 52g of Carbohydrate is it really going to put me in the state I was today?

Please do not think that I am being adverse with you. I will take on board what you have said and test the egg theory with my machine. I used to eat up to 6 eggs per day and everyday. My cholesterol then as is now is in a healthy state.

I will win, the Betes will be in Dia need.

Sorry if you think I am being obtuse with you, it is far from the truth.

An interesting take on dietary cholesterol etc unfortunately a lot of it is in the process of being completely debunked by people a lot clever than me. However it is fairly well known that cholesterol you eat has little if any impact on blood cholesterol levels. That was agreed even by Ancel Keys so dietary cholesterol is irrelevant as your liver simply makes more or less depending on intake.
As for LDL being "bad" per se that is also coming under more and more scrutiny. It is more the size of LDL particles that may prove to be problematic rather than the absolute amount (but good luck with getting particle size measured in the UK on the NHS). A far better guide to possible future CVD problems is considered to be the triglyceride/HDL ratio and the best way is a Coronary Artery Calcium (CAC) Scan which actually looks at plaque build ups in the arteries rather than using "cholesterol" as a vague proxy.
Your way of eating is quite interesting as you seem to be eating a fairly standard relatively "normal" diet with carbs.. is that correct?

bulkbiker · Oct 10, 2018

@Dean76
You may (or equally may not) find this interesting...

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/cholesterol-and-statins.156985/

Dean76 · Oct 10, 2018

bulkbiker said:
@Dean76
You may (or equally may not) find this interesting...

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/cholesterol-and-statins.156985/

Thank you very much big man

Dean76 · Oct 10, 2018

Not bad....

Dean76 · Oct 10, 2018

Bit late with that test

But has come down by the end of today

Change of tactics coming. So I have spent the last week belt feeding myself about this Ketone diet and getting my cranium around it.

Breakfast:

3 eggs scrambled in the hottest driest pan
Mixed with
1 avocado mashed
3 tomatoes 1/4’d and sprinkled with hot paprika and black pepper

Lunch:

100g of chicken breast
4 strips of streaky bacon
2 tomatoes 1/4’d
1 cup of spinach
4 cups of Lettuce chopped

Dinner:

200g cod
1/2 courgette sliced
Garlic crushed for Courgette
1 cup of Mushrooms 1/2’d
1 cup of broccoli shredded

Time to get my 8 hours....04:30 looms

Thank you Jayney27, Bulkbiker and Jokalsbeek. Today has been very difficult. Good night. Stay safe.

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

The first test that I did registered:

I quickly retested using a different finger, changing the Lancet and cleaning the inside and outside harpoon chamber with alcohol wash. That includes the monitor and also that of my hands before retesting.

Banging result after eating a plate of vomit.

As for the comment of or my personal hygiene I would like to stress to anyone reading that my hands are thoroughly washed for over a couple of minutes under a tepid but slightly hot running tap as though I am going to perform surgery. Hands are then dried in paper towel. Should there be any argument about the contamination of the paper towel; my hands then under go an alcohol wash. Finger is then pricked and blood tested. All of the self harming machine and ancillaries are also cleansed before, during and after use. I cant afford to be a maggot due to Sarcoidosis. An auto-immune disease that I have been dealing with since diagnosed early 2006.

I can not afford to contract any form of virus. So kindly refrain from such comments please.

I work in the Water Industry and I have many risks surrounding me. When I wake I shower. When I get home I decontaminate in the hottest shower as I can feasibly get it.
So what difference does a shower make?
Does it enjoy me boiling my blood???
To perfectly blunt about this I am not jumping out of the shower and stabbing myself there and then....come on, what is the dilution time????

Thanks to Bulkbiker...I may have to follow your lead.

JoKalsbeek · Oct 11, 2018

Dean76 said:
The first test that I did registered:

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I quickly retested using a different finger, changing the Lancet and cleaning the inside and outside harpoon chamber with alcohol wash. That includes the monitor and also that of my hands before retesting.

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Banging result after eating a plate of vomit.

As for the comment of or my personal hygiene I would like to stress to anyone reading that my hands are thoroughly washed for over a couple of minutes under a tepid but slightly hot running tap as though I am going to perform surgery. Hands are then dried in paper towel. Should there be any argument about the contamination of the paper towel; my hands then under go an alcohol wash. Finger is then pricked and blood tested. All of the self harming machine and ancillaries are also cleansed before, during and after use. I cant afford to be a maggot due to Sarcoidosis. An auto-immune disease that I have been dealing with since diagnosed early 2006.

I can not afford to contract any form of virus. So kindly refrain from such comments please.

I work in the Water Industry and I have many risks surrounding me. When I wake I shower. When I get home I decontaminate in the hottest shower as I can feasibly get it.
So what difference does a shower make?
Does it enjoy me boiling my blood???
To perfectly blunt about this I am not jumping out of the shower and stabbing myself there and then....come on, what is the dilution time????

Thanks to Bulkbiker...I may have to follow your lead.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...for-lowering-blood-sugar-levels-for-type/amp/

Heat messes with our bloodsugars. So hot showers do have an impact. With T2, there's really very little that doesn't affect us, one way or another. And as an aside; if you are responsive to heat, keep an eye on your bs in the summer. I think I said before, unmedicated T2's don't usually hypo, but when it was 38C out, I sure did. And your hygene isn't being called in question. When I use sunscreen in the summer, and I thoroughly wash my hands afterwards, sometimes it will still muck up my test. (If I hit 1,4 without doing a faceplant, I know I'd better try again!). So I carry extra alcohol swabs in the summer.

Don't eat vomit. I hate warm, mashed avocado, and from the sound of it, it didn't agree with you either. They're better incorporated cubed and cold into a salad, *if* you want to eat them. Just fry up some sausages and mushrooms with eggs'n' bacon. (Why have a very dry pan? Butter is fine!) It'll fill you right up AND taste good. A diet that's supposed to be for life is easier to stick with if you enjoy what you eat.

Hope this helps.

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

JoKalsbeek said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science...for-lowering-blood-sugar-levels-for-type/amp/

Heat messes with our bloodsugars. So hot showers do have an impact. With T2, there's really very little that doesn't affect us, one way or another. And as an aside; if you are responsive to heat, keep an eye on your bs in the summer. I think I said before, unmedicated T2's don't usually hypo, but when it was 38C out, I sure did. And your hygene isn't being called in question. When I use sunscreen in the summer, and I thoroughly wash my hands afterwards, sometimes it will still muck up my test. (If I hit 1,4 without doing a faceplant, I know I'd better try again!). So I carry extra alcohol swabs in the summer.

Don't eat vomit. I hate warm, mashed avocado, and from the sound of it, it didn't agree with you either. They're better incorporated cubed and cold into a salad, *if* you want to eat them. Just fry up some sausages and mushrooms with eggs'n' bacon. (Why have a very dry pan? Butter is fine!) It'll fill you right up AND taste good. A diet that's supposed to be for life is easier to stick with if you enjoy what you eat.

Hope this helps.

I have an issue with anything fatty. But I can smell those mushrooms and sausages....yum yum. I’m susceptible to 2° change in temperature due to exposure of Norway and Canada in Winter and now relish the heat. But that being said I do not like to be too hot whilst wearing clothes so Dubai is my go to when getting naked and enjoying super thermal currents. Have a good day.

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

Must be the Avocado thing

KK123 · Oct 11, 2018

Dean76 said:
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Must be the Avocado thing

Hi Dean, just something I noticed (though it's probably not an issue for you now), the carbs quoted on your Weetabix packet state a serving is 2 biscuits, so total carbs are 26g? Anyway, although 26 carbs doesn't sound like much, just to put it in perspective, for a type 1 most of us generally can eat up to 10 carbs with no insulin but anything over that we have to use injected insulin on an average ratio of 1 unit for every 10 carbs after that. This is just to show how much of an impact each 10 carbs of food can have on glucose levels. For a type 2 (and dependent on individuals and lifestyles etc), you may find that each 10 carbs raises you by a whole point. It really is trial and error.

JoKalsbeek · Oct 11, 2018

Dean76 said:
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Must be the Avocado thing

Those 2's worry me; you shouldn't be having hypo's. (Hypo is defined differently all over the place, but usually it's under 4 or under 3.5. Legally speaking, if you're driving under 5 and cause an accident, you're f****d.) Do you feel anything when you hit a 2? Sweats, tingly skin, heart racing, tremors, weak in the knees, headaches, contraryness, dizzy, confused, faint? Are you using meds alongside reducing carbs that can cause this? Because going this low isn't exactly healthy either, and could cause a coma. (*If* you are on BG lowering meds you should either stop them, or the diet, after discussing it with your GP/specialist. Doing both makes you dangerously low, it seems. I don't remember you mentioning medication. Are you on anything?) You've had numbers this low before, so I'm wondering if the meter or batch of test strips is off, (it happens, sadly) or something else is going on, though I wouldn't know what. I think all the readings you've taken so far have been in range or under, though I can't remember them all off the top of my head. Considering your diagnosis and what you eat, that's odd, to say the least. Something to look into. Maybe worth going to a chemist's and checking their meter with yours from the same drop of blood, see whether it is off more than 15% (They're allowed to be off by 15%, hence the number).

I know, I'm a worrywart and it's none of my business and all that. But still. 2's. Sh*t. Lowest I've been was 3.0 or something and I felt like a car hit me. Got completely irrational too, wouldn't eat, just wanted to go home, which was a 2 hour trip. (Husband made me have lunch that time.).

Take care man.

Brunneria · Oct 11, 2018

The 2s worry me a little too.

If there are no hypo symptoms, then it may be the meter. Some of them are not as accurate as we would like!
And if it is reading low some of the time, then are the rest of its readings accurate?

Hi @Dean76

Have been reading this thread with interest, but haven't chipped in until now, because you seem to be hitting the ground running, and there really is such a thing as Info Overload! It is a big adjustment, and taking it in steps can be really helpful - and you seem to be stepping along nicely.

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

KK123 said:
Hi Dean, just something I noticed (though it's probably not an issue for you now), the carbs quoted on your Weetabix packet state a serving is 2 biscuits, so total carbs are 26g? Anyway, although 26 carbs doesn't sound like much, just to put it in perspective, for a type 1 most of us generally can eat up to 10 carbs with no insulin but anything over that we have to use injected insulin on an average ratio of 1 unit for every 10 carbs after that. This is just to show how much of an impact each 10 carbs of food can have on glucose levels. For a type 2 (and dependent on individuals and lifestyles etc), you may find that each 10 carbs raises you by a whole point. It really is trial and error.

I can honestly say that these Carbo’s are lethal....Yes I saw 26g/per biscuit as starving.....haha. Massive learning curve. Bless you and I hole you are well?

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

JoKalsbeek said:
Those 2's worry me; you shouldn't be having hypo's. (Hypo is defined differently all over the place, but usually it's under 4 or under 3.5. Legally speaking, if you're driving under 5 and cause an accident, you're f****d.) Do you feel anything when you hit a 2? Sweats, tingly skin, heart racing, tremors, weak in the knees, headaches, contraryness, dizzy, confused, faint? Are you using meds alongside reducing carbs that can cause this? Because going this low isn't exactly healthy either, and could cause a coma. (*If* you are on BG lowering meds you should either stop them, or the diet, after discussing it with your GP/specialist. Doing both makes you dangerously low, it seems. I don't remember you mentioning medication. Are you on anything?) You've had numbers this low before, so I'm wondering if the meter or batch of test strips is off, (it happens, sadly) or something else is going on, though I wouldn't know what. I think all the readings you've taken so far have been in range or under, though I can't remember them all off the top of my head. Considering your diagnosis and what you eat, that's odd, to say the least. Something to look into. Maybe worth going to a chemist's and checking their meter with yours from the same drop of blood, see whether it is off more than 15% (They're allowed to be off by 15%, hence the number).

I know, I'm a worrywart and it's none of my business and all that. But still. 2's. Sh*t. Lowest I've been was 3.0 or something and I felt like a car hit me. Got completely irrational too, wouldn't eat, just wanted to go home, which was a 2 hour trip. (Husband made me have lunch that time.).

Take care man.

I am on zero medication Jokalsbeek... I have taken all that on board and yes I am dead worried because I have not eaten anything else today, 2 cups of coffee and a dash of milk. 2 litres of H2O and my Monitor Results have risen!

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

Brunneria said:
The 2s worry me a little too.

If there are no hypo symptoms, then it may be the meter. Some of them are not as accurate as we would like!
And if it is reading low some of the time, then are the rest of its readings accurate?

Hi @Dean76
Have been reading this thread with interest, but haven't chipped in until now, because you seem to be hitting the ground running, and there really is such a thing as Info Overload! It is a big adjustment, and taking it in steps can be really helpful - and you seem to be stepping along nicely.

Thank you, I have questioned this too. Today I have been on a education course. Lunch was provided but I did not touch or eat anything.

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

Since 10:55

Is it because I am starving? Is it the machine?

JoKalsbeek · Oct 11, 2018

Dean76 said:
I am on zero medication Jokalsbeek... I have taken all that on board and yes I am dead worried because I have not eaten anything else today, 2 cups of coffee and a dash of milk. 2 litres of H2O and my Monitor Results have risen!

Most likely because you are low, your liver may be dumping glucose to make up the difference. (It's called dawn phenomenon, but happens during the rest of the day too.) Like I said, try another meter, and a different batch of test strips. Because these aren't the numbers of a diabetic. (And if they were, it'd be a poorly controlled one who'd be passing out left and right because he's overshooting insulin, which you're not on...). Something's off, and I have no idea what. The sooner you figure out whats going on, the better. Do you know what your HbA1c was?

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

JoKalsbeek said:
Most likely because you are low, your liver may be dumping glucose to make up the difference. (It's called dawn phenomenon, but happens during the rest of the day too.) Like I said, try another meter, and a different batch of test strips. Because these aren't the numbers of a diabetic. (And if they were, it'd be a poorly controlled one who'd be passing out left and right because he's overshooting insulin, which you're not on...). Something's off, and I have no idea what. The sooner you figure out whats going on, the better. Do you know what your HbA1c was?

That blood test completed by my doctor revealed I was 67.
As soon as the doctor said it should be 48 or below he had set me a challenge. I do not want to kill myself doing it, I will do it with care. But I have to nail this and if it is the meter then it is putting me in the hurt locker of stress.

JoKalsbeek · Oct 11, 2018

Ack, found your HbA1C in the first post, so never mind. That's solidly diabetic. Weird... Really weird....

Dean76 · Oct 11, 2018

When I came here....and I was reading all the ‘stuff’ you guys were eating ie cream, butter, cheese etc in my head I was in amazement. I couldnt believe any of you were ‘doing’ this. I thought it was some form of April fools joke....risking your lives for yummy fatty stuff. Haha. But after speaking to some of you and even the hint of pork scratchings I had my head in my hands in amazement. These people can not be serious!!!! Can they???? I was like these are not the normal habits of a diabetic are they? Sorry I still wet myself about when I was reading threads about Jelly Babies and Midget Gems, KFC, Burgerking.....I am still going to test that Burgerking order “yes can I please have a Whopper with cheese but no buns”......I’d have to look back through but my partner and I were wetting ourselves.

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