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Update on Prof Taylor Research

Oldvatr

Oldvatr

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The following was posted by @Tannith today but it was deleted because it was derailing the thread it was in. I am resurrecting it because I think it is valid information that is relevant to T2D.

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I have just come across this whilst looking for help for a friend who has just been diagnosed with diabetes (and also looking for help losing weight/improving BG, to reduce the effects of potential covid infection for myself). I think it sets out the relationship between pancreatic fat and diabetes more clearly than earlier articles.
https://www.healio.com/news/endocri...on-may-be-loss-of-half-a-gram-of-pancreas-fat

The key to type 2 diabetes remission may be the loss of half a gram of pancreas fat
 
I am happy with the hypothesis he puts forward regarding Phase 1 Insulin response being significant, and it agrees with other endocrinology research that I have read. I am left wondering what methods he used to do this monitoring since it was not obvious from the original study reports, nor how he monitored pancreas trig levels during the same studies. Hopefully, there will be a full paper published giving this info.

It is encouraging that he finds that the 'remission' can be long term in the follow-ups,

"Disclosure: Taylor reports that he is a member of the U.K. government’s working group on low carbohydrate diets and then he receives lecture fees from Novartis and Lilly & Janssen and is on the advisory board for Wilmington Healthcare."

I was surprised to see this since we have generally considered the ND diet to be a calorie-restricted diet, although we suspected that Low Carb may have been involved.


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Oldvatr said:
"Disclosure: Taylor reports that he is a member of the U.K. government’s working group on low carbohydrate diets and then he receives lecture fees from Novartis and Lilly & Janssen and is on the advisory board for Wilmington Healthcare."

I was surprised to see this since we have generally considered the ND diet to be a calorie-restricted diet, although we suspected that Low Carb may have been involved.


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Maybe that's why we don't see him with his old sidekick Mike Lean any more..
He's still firmly of the opinion that low carb's gonna kill you.
 
Think this is a recent study that covers the claims in that presentation. It is not the complete picture but does answer some of the test methods employed. Roy Taylor is a co-author of this study. It was conducted in the USA it seems which may explain why I cannot find it in the Newcastle Uni archives.

https://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/39/5/808
 
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He just can't help himself.. T2D more frequent... ha ha ha ha ha
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This is what Mike Lean published recently, which is the DIRECT report
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/...3-8587(19)30068-3/fulltext#articleInformation

It is written purely as a weight loss program and does not seem to involve measurements of insulin responses. This is the commercial arm of the ND scheme, to produce a regime that ticks all the NHS and SACN boxes.

Edit to add: Would you kill off a Golden Goose?
https://oen.org.uk/about/meet-our-team/professor-michael-lean/

He is a major shareholder in Eat Balanced who manufacture and market healthy nutritiously balanced pizza's for schools and catering establishments. Pizza's that are healthy? That's an oxymoron. That seems to be their only product.
 
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lucylocket61 said:
There are several of us on here who are living proof that remission can and does happen without weight loss when carbs are reduced.
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But you have T2D so he is correct in that part - it is more common
 
bulkbiker said:
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If remission is "all" down to weight loss then how does he explain TOFI reversing without losing an ounce? No doubt we are a paradox in his mind, but a paradox is merely a data point that brings into question a hypothesis. Sick and tired of people who have never reversed diabetes telling other people how to do it.
 
Oldvatr said:
But you have T2D so he is correct in that part - it is more common
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No. T2d is not more common in those using a low carb diet. No. Weight loss is not necessary for remission. No. If I wasn't type 2 then what remission is he on about? Remission from what?

The Mike lean is wrong on all counts.
 
lucylocket61 said:
No. T2d is not more common in those using a low carb diet. No. Weight loss is not necessary for remission. No. If I wasn't type 2 then what remission is he on about? Remission from what?

The Mike lean is wrong on all counts.
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I would say he is correct in saying it is more common to find people using LC diets will be more likely to be T2D as you correctly point out. He would be wrong if he is implying that LC diets cause T2D.
 
One Caveat of the OP and the other papers I posted here, the success rate for the DIRECT, etc is only about 46% effective at best, and only 64% of those remained in remission at 2 years. It is not very effective in reversing long term chronic patients (comme moi) or the elderly (who were purposefully excluded from the testing cohort at the start). I refuse to do a Trump,:( and claim unbridled victory or fraudulent activity by the estabishment.
 
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