Update

[lucylocket61]

Yes, we are all different.

But. There is an enormous body of knowledge and research done on fasting and VLCDs for those with diabetes, and especially since I was diagnosed (ie in the last eight years. There was very little when I first went online and looked into it. Not so now.)

As I said at the beginning, this thread would have been best served in the low-calorie diet section, or even in fasting, as there are lots of people with diabetes like me, who use IF and fasting techniques as part of their treatment. (If 'merely' losing weight, and low-carbing put me in remission I would be long gone and living my low-carb in remission life out of here! .) (Ditto exercise.) But insulin resistance diabetes can be way more complex than many people realise. Just saying.

So - 1200 cals is not the very minimum for a diet lasting more than a couple of weeks. More like 800 for a VLCD. (It was 800 last time I checked.) At 300 - yes - for two weeks, it was closer to a no-food fast leading up to a VLCD. I don't find that shocking, as I did a water only no-food fast (only 3 to 4 days as a normal weighted person, post lower carbing).

Our bodies have evolved to deal with times of famine, and we can survive such well. If we couldn't none of us would be here. And, those of us who put weight around the belly and waist generously (which I am one for sure) - it can be said, and is, that our forebears withstood famines and the paleolithic period because our bodies are so good at storing fat for the future.

Did I experience the two VLCDs I have done as like a period of famine? Oh yes. Do I regret doing them? No. If there was a chance I could put my diabetes in remission, I wanted to try it. I am mildly OCD, so I can do that kind of thing. (I also keep very fullsome records.)

Not the minimum for survival, the minimum for good all round nutrition.

 

[AloeSvea]

Not the minimum for survival, the minimum for good all round nutrition.

I meant minimum on a Very Low Calorie Diet.

As many folks who do the getting into nutrition route post diagnosis, I have never been as well-nourished as I have been, like, ever as I am now. And that includes during the two VLCDs. My joke being, I would be really healthy if it wasn't for the T2D. (I know - it isn't really funny, but hey!)

Two months, when doing a VLCD seems like a really long time. For sure. But it isn't really in the scheme of things, methinks.

 

[Win71]

Diabetes uk best recipe found tropical fruit and wine lollies

100ml dry white wine*
150ml diet lemonade
100g frozen tropical smoothie mix
Method
Step 1
Combine the wine and lemonade in a small jug and set aside. Divide the smoothie mix equally between 4 x 80ml ice-lolly moulds.

Step 2
Pour the wine mixture over the fruit and insert wooden lolly sticks or cover with the lids. Freeze for 5-6 hours or until set.

Recipe tips

• *If you prefer to not use alcohol, swap for 100ml no added sugar lemonade

 

[Win71]

Is this a typo? Win71 is having 1000 Cal's a day. Which is still rather low. 1200 is considered the very minimum for a diet lasting more than a couple of weeks.

@Win71 I have long covid and ME and I don't exercise. I have been controlling my type 2 diabetes for over 10 years now through diet only. It's all about controlling carb intake to what our bodies can deal with. We find that safe amount of carbs by using our blood sugar meters to see how food and quantities affect us. We are all different.

VLCD is 800cals a day, after 2 weeks of 300 i raised to 1000 but i am new to this all, so i am reading and learning

 

[Win71]

UPDATE

Today nurse came out took bloods checked feet, no response from dr, just dr request bloods taken, where i am confused. When i was told i have diabetic on 8th July, so i thought end September would be bloods taken, as that would be 3 months, nurse didn`t know either, asking nurse about weigh loss she tells me dr says not to worry about it she is severely obese this weight lose will only benefit her, so i requested nurse to put in for bloods to check full blood count for other health issues. So that is where i am now. Do you all feel exhausted after you have bloods taken? I have slept most day today after having bloods taken, and bad headache. I am waiting on test strips to be delivered to check BG every day, worse part living in a very small town have to rely on online shopping. Hope you all had a good day

 

[HSSS]

UPDATE

Today nurse came out took bloods checked feet, no response from dr, just dr request bloods taken, where i am confused. When i was told i have diabetic on 8th July, so i thought end September would be bloods taken, as that would be 3 months, nurse didn`t know either, asking nurse about weigh loss she tells me dr says not to worry about it she is severely obese this weight lose will only benefit her, so i requested nurse to put in for bloods to check full blood count for other health issues. So that is where i am now. Do you all feel exhausted after you have bloods taken? I have slept most day today after having bloods taken, and bad headache. I am waiting on test strips to be delivered to check BG every day, worse part living in a very small town have to rely on online shopping. Hope you all had a good day

I’ve never had an issue after blood tests, and I have iron deficiency too, as the amounts are small. Stress of it all maybe or dehydration (not just water but electrolytes of magnesium, potassium too). Or too many carbs does it to me