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Bigjohnjo

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Hi everyone,
Iv just been diagnosed 3 weeks ago with type2. Iv got a million and one feelings and questions flying round my head which I’m sure I will fire at you all in the coming months.
I have been prescribed metformin and am currently only on half my dose. I increase it again today, and then on 4 a day the week after.
For the last 3 weeks I have ate absolute no added sugar and stuck to what I thought was a healthy diet.
I tested my bg yesterday for the first time and it was 9.4. I felt a little disappointed. Could anybody tell me how long it takes for the meds to work?
Also i never realised about carbs turning to sugar. This has really messed with my head. Could some of you kind people give me some tips for a low carb diet. I really don’t know if I can manage without bread and potatoes in my life. All be it, I only ever eat brown bread and boiled potatoes.
Thanks everyone, I’m sure you’ll be hearing a lot from me over the coming weeks.
 
Hi @Bigjohnjo and welcome!

As a starting point, I’m tagging @daisy1 for an information pack which will help with some of your questions. Have a good read and ask as many questions as you like.

Your first reading won’t tell you much as you don’t have anything to compare it with. For testing to be helpful it needs to be consistent - test immediately before each meal and again 2 hours after the first bite. You’re aiming for a rise of no more than 2mmol. If it’s higher, something in the meal was too much for you to handle and was likely too high in carbs. You can try cutting the suspect out, reducing the portion size or changing the balance of the meal to see if you get a better result. It’s trial and error - often called ‘eating to your meter’.

You’ll also find that Metformin alone doesn’t do a lot to reduce sugar levels, what you eat will have the biggest influence on those.

For low carb advice, take a look at dietdoctor.com and the low carb section of this forum. Personally I went very low carb but others have been successful taking a more moderate approach.

Good luck!
 
Welcome to the forum @Bigjohnjo. It is a shock when you get that diagnosis and will take a bit of time to get your head around it all. Well done on getting a blood glucose meter. 9.4 is on the high side, but should come down in time. It doesn't happen in just 3 weeks. Your red blood cells to which glucose attaches are replaced over 8-12 weeks, so you still have high glucose levels in your blood.
Do you know what your HbA1c test result figures were? The HbA1c figure is the blood glucose reading over the last 8-12 weeks.
If you don't know you should ask your gp surgery for a printout of your test results, or for online access to your medical records/test results which are supposed to be available online in England and Scotland.
Do ask any questions you want, the people on here are friendly and supportive.
 
Hi @Bigjohnjo and welcome!

As a starting point, I’m tagging @daisy1 for an information pack which will help with some of your questions. Have a good read and ask as many questions as you like.

Your first reading won’t tell you much as you don’t have anything to compare it with. For testing to be helpful it needs to be consistent - test immediately before each meal and again 2 hours after the first bite. You’re aiming for a rise of no more than 2mmol. If it’s higher, something in the meal was too much for you to handle and was likely too high in carbs. You can try cutting the suspect out, reducing the portion size or changing the balance of the meal to see if you get a better result. It’s trial and error - often called ‘eating to your meter’.

You’ll also find that Metformin alone doesn’t do a lot to reduce sugar levels, what you eat will have the biggest influence on those.

For low carb advice, take a look at dietdoctor.com and the low carb section of this forum. Personally I went very low carb but others have been successful taking a more moderate approach.

Good luck!

Thank you so much. It help straight away knowing your not on your own.
 
Welcome to the forum @Bigjohnjo. It is a shock when you get that diagnosis and will take a bit of time to get your head around it all. Well done on getting a blood glucose meter. 9.4 is on the high side, but should come down in time. It doesn't happen in just 3 weeks. Your red blood cells to which glucose attaches are replaced over 8-12 weeks, so you still have high glucose levels in your blood.
Do you know what your HbA1c test result figures were? The HbA1c figure is the blood glucose reading over the last 8-12 weeks.
If you don't know you should ask your gp surgery for a printout of your test results, or for online access to your medical records/test results which are supposed to be available online in England and Scotland.
Do ask any questions you want, the people on here are friendly and supportive.

Thank you. I’m not too sure on the results. The nurse did tell me but my head was all over the place. I’m back seeing her in two weeks so I’ll ask her.
 
When you see the nurse ask for a printout of the test result, which you are entitled to. It gives you a lot more information about other things like cholesterol level and breakdown, which is useful to know.
 
Thank you. I’m not too sure on the results. The nurse did tell me but my head was all over the place. I’m back seeing her in two weeks so I’ll ask her.

That is exactly how I was when given the diagnosis by my GP. All I could think about was trying to avoid medication. I embarked upon the Blood Sugar Diet promoted by Michael Mosley. I explained this to my GP who, whilst supportive, was clearly sceptical that I could stick to the 800 cals per day.

Loads of great advice here, and in reality better advice than I have received from my GP.
 
@Bigjohnjo

Hello Bigjohnjo and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 
That is exactly how I was when given the diagnosis by my GP. All I could think about was trying to avoid medication. I embarked upon the Blood Sugar Diet promoted by Michael Mosley. I explained this to my GP who, whilst supportive, was clearly sceptical that I could stick to the 800 cals per day.

Loads of great advice here, and in reality better advice than I have received from my GP.

Thank you
 
@Bigjohnjo

Hello Bigjohnjo and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it helpful. Ask as many questions as you like and someone will be able to help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.

Thank you so much.
 
Hello and welcome @Bigjohnjo it is scary when first diagnosed but in time it will get easier as your knowledge increases, being an expert helps hugely in managing your diabetes, lots of great advice already and lots of experience here to help you on your way :)
 
Hi everyone,
Iv just been diagnosed 3 weeks ago with type2. Iv got a million and one feelings and questions flying round my head which I’m sure I will fire at you all in the coming months.
I have been prescribed metformin and am currently only on half my dose. I increase it again today, and then on 4 a day the week after.
For the last 3 weeks I have ate absolute no added sugar and stuck to what I thought was a healthy diet.
I tested my bg yesterday for the first time and it was 9.4. I felt a little disappointed. Could anybody tell me how long it takes for the meds to work?
Also i never realised about carbs turning to sugar. This has really messed with my head. Could some of you kind people give me some tips for a low carb diet. I really don’t know if I can manage without bread and potatoes in my life. All be it, I only ever eat brown bread and boiled potatoes.
Thanks everyone, I’m sure you’ll be hearing a lot from me over the coming weeks.
EAT protein bread and reheat potato with butter or any fat and it won't convert so easily to glucose. Your meter will tell you exactly how much less glucose you've consumed by a lower bg number. Only 2 slices maximum.
 
Hi @Bigjohnjo,
Life can bowl you a wrongun' so easily !
My tips from 51 years on insulin - they can apply to any of us -
One step at a time. If I changed my diet when starting a new treatment regime I then did not know what was helping or not.
So you have been prescribed Metformin at an increasing dose. Changing your diet at the same time is likely to cause some confusion.
Check any change you are thinking about with your doctor, dsn or dietician. I know that low carb diets help some people BUT you would need to be sure you were still obtaining enough of the right vitamins and minerals on such a diet and that it was not likely to affect you in other ways like, say causing cholesterol problems.
Find out about what you have been prescribed; e.g. according to the drug literature what Metformin does is help to make the insulin you are producing work better. The second thing it may do is lower your weight. Whether this second thing is due to make people feel a little less hungry or some other reason I am unsure. I always ask about a new treatment including side-effects and what to do if they occur.
Rome was not built in a day. Give things time - time to: absorb information about diabetes, adjust to a different lifestyle, to think about questions and how to find answers. None of us can take everything in quickly. In that way we are like cattle, the cud needs to be chewed to get everything out of it and then swallowed. Rapid eating leads to indigestion, stress and confusion.
Remember that we are all inexpert pilots and we do the best we can. The human pancreas gland has been developed and designed over thousands of years. We, as diabetics, have had the control of part of what our pancreas does trust into our hands. Rather like having to fly an aeroplane with no prior instructions and knowing that we have to make the best of it. None of us is perfect - we all have to learn from mistakes and congratulate our selves for the times when things go right.
Beating ourselves up for not getting things right, or things not happening as fast or as good as we would like, just makes the diabetes worse. Stress puts blood sugars up.
Three or four cornerstones: Diet, Exercise, medication ( and less stress) - it is all about balance.

Best Wishes on your journey. You have a forum of backers and supporters !!
 
Hi @Bigjohnjo welcome to the forum. There is a lot to take in and learn, but don't worry you are in the right place for help, advice and support on your learning journey. Once you get your HbA1c results you will see where you are at. Do you have any weight to loose? When you tested you Bg for first time when was it? Morning, before a meal, after a meal etc. When testing make sure your hands are clean and dry. I would suggest testing first thing in the morning. Then before a meal and again 2 hours after a meal to give you an idea of what foods do what. I have my results on a graph in Exel to help show the results. Bread and potatoes are not the best foods because of the carbs and starch, why not do a food diary for a few days to see what you actually eat and drink, it can be a surprise to some.
If you have weight to loose you could try Low Carb High Fat (LCHF). There is a thread in the forum for this way of eating called "Low Carb Diet" also another one called "What have you eaten today?" to give you some idea of what you can eat.
Please only answer the questions you are comfortable with and don't worry we are here to help. We are not medical practitioners but we have all been where you are now. It does get easier, so please ask any questions you have and good luck on your journey :)
 
Hi pal, I weighed 16st 3 weeks ago. Already lost 6 lb. I’m 6ft3. I wouldnt say I’m fat, but do have a tyre I could do with losing. All the weight is around my stomach. I tested my bg this morning and it was 8-0. I have had 2 slices of seeded bread with earthy peanut butter. 2 hrs later my bg went up to 10.4.
I really need to find an alternative to my carbs that will satisfy me.
I have to admit I had the sweetest tooth on the planet. In the last 3 weeks I have not had a single bit of sugar, and it really hasn’t bothered me. But to not eat bread really is upsetting.
 
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