Interesting. I have lost 20% of my excess weight so far.http://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2017...-lowering-cardiometabolic-risks-91381256.html
This research out today appears to back the thrust of my hypothesis
ie you probably don't need to get to below 25% to be metabolically healthy !
As a matter of intereat have you lost much since xmas ? and is your current BMI somewhere between 28kg/m2 and 32kg/m2Interesting. I have lost 20% of my excess weight so far.
I cannot remember which video I watched on here posted by either @bulkbiker or @Indy51 or @CherryAA but it put big emphasis on correct pathways for the body to work correctly. It may have been recent one about thyroid disease. Cannot be sure but it made huge sense to me. I believe supplement r-ala helps put the body back on the right path. Years ago I used Ginseng. It brought my periods back, until my body got used to even strong, purer ginseng (siberian) and it stop working due to tolerance. ( I see a purer form out now which promises no tolerance or build up problems.)DavidGrahamJones said:With the help of my nutritional therapist I have discovered a lot and as soon as she's finished her 900 miles in 9 days bike ride (Lands End to John o'Groats - 874 miles actually LOL), we'll be moving forward on some food allergy testing. There's no visible indication of food allergies, so it will be interesting.
I'm not going to pretend to understand the intricacies of the detail but I do understand things at a high level, a very high level. Way back when I first saw her and went LC?F some tests had shown that ATP (chemical energy for muscles) wasn't going to the muscles which explained a lot, like muscle pain since taking statins? Also constant fatigue, so easily just put down to the diabetes? Who knows but I wouldn't be the first person who has experienced ongoing muscle pain after stopping statins.
As I say, I don't fully understand, it makes my brain hurt, literally. I'll get there eventually. 12 1/2 stone here I come! LOL At least I know eating food isn't the problem, it's what happens afterwards, in the body.
Me too.Interesting. I have lost 20% of my excess weight so far.
More to do with hunger thou, not body readjusting itself from empty fat cells.google for leptin. It controls your metabolism.
I definitely agree.I have heard people say that when their weight stalls they go off Keto for 2 days and eat some carbs, then go back onto Keto..They find it kick starts the weight loss off again. Got this from people on YouTube who have been doing Keto for quite a while....I also should have added that I am not sure whether some of these people are diabetic or not, or just on a weight loss journey. There are many on YouTube though who follow the keto diet including diabetics. I learn more from here though.
I dont understand the question, I'm afraid. 28% of what? I have lost nearly a stone since christmas. Not sure how. I still have 9 stones to lose, at least, according to DN although i have a broad, stocky build and looked dreadful when I was the 9 stone recommended for my height, several years ago.As a matter of intereat have you lost much since xmas ? and is your current BMI somewhere between 28% and 32% ?
dont understand the question, I'm afraid. 28% of what? I have lost nearly a stone since christmas. Not sure how. I still have 9 stones to lose, at least, according to DN although i have a broad, stocky build and looked dreadful when I was the 9 stone recommended for my height, several years ago.
Interesting theory.. it might explain why I'm struggling to lose on ND - my BMI is currently 31.9
Two years ago, after discontinuing use of insulin and starting VLC, I lost 5st - then had an accident at work (which has made me pretty much housebound) and I gained back 2st while still on a ketogenic diet. I am currently 'doing' the Newcastle Diet to try to get rid of that 2st that came and found me again but, while the diet is okay, the weightloss isn't going quite as expected - the first stone came off relatively easily but this second stone is definitely proving to be far more stubborn. I'm not too fussed about getting down to - say - 10st, but I would like to get back to being under my Personal Fat Threshold again.
I can remember when I was just under 9 stone. I am only 5ft 3 inches tall. The doctor told me that I looked underweight and asked me to get onto the scales and I weighed 8 stone.11 pounds which was not underweight at all for my height. The doc was surprised but said that even though I was the correct weight I looked to thin. The doctor was not the only one to comment on my weight back then. The family said that I looked too thin. The medical profession states what weight we are supposed to be around for our height but it taught me that some people look ok being the same height as me at just under 9 stone, but for me a stone heavier made me look more healthy. I put to much weight on over the years not chronically obese but deffo overweight, now I have lost weight through this low carb eating but I have no set goal weight that I am aiming for. I will go by my appearance and on how I feel then I will know that I am at the weight I am happy with. I am feeling a lot more healthy and alert on this low carb eating than I have for years.ah ok,
I have a theory that for some people who have already lost a lot of weight, their weight stalls when their BMI reaches around 28-32% and their metabolic markers are all healthy. I am currently about 14stones 31% BMI and my metabolic markers are all healthy - there seem to be a few other people in similar position.
I started off at 19 stones initially and also thought I had 9-10 stones to lose. As such it seemed impossibly far away. Having got half way there, I have realised that actually the original goal was way too low anyway and whilst I would still like to lose more, I don't need to aim for 25% or less BMI for optimal health. So my new target is now further 2 stones/ 10 kilos ish to get to 79kg - not 25KG to get to 64kg .
Good luck in getting your own weight down further
Yes, it seem's to work for a lot of people.I definitely agree.
I am doing something similiar. I relax my diet to re-evaluate. Especially in times of excess fluid increasing my weight.
Yep that applies to me, lost 2 stone over 3 months down to 12 stone but can’t seem to get past 12.I keep hearing examples of people encountering a weight stall. They have often successfully lost a lot of weight, then suddenly that stops. This has happened to me.
Following on from other research I am thinking that actually this might actually be because those individuals achieved a healthy weight for them and as such many of their biomedical markers are now just fine and being in " robust" health just slightly larger than others is not bad thing i.e. they have now hit the point where there personal risk in respect of all cause mortality has reached an " optimal level"
Looking at the research that may well be well in excess of 25% BMI.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3953803/table/tbl2/
In that context, I would love to know if there are many people on here who found that they lost weight rapidly on LCHF/VLC or fasting then stalled at a point which was somewhere between say 27- 32% BMI?
Yep that applies to me, lost 2 stone over 3 months down to 12 stone but can’t seem to get past 12.
@CherryAA I have a filmed contribution
This movie is "Bitter rice" and it's an unintentional period piece. The main protagonists are actors, but the extra were locals taken in the rice fields. As you can imagine the diet there was based heavily on rice, high starch high GI food. But in part due to the fact that in the '50 the physical activity was way higher than nowadays.
Silvana Mangano and Doris Dowling if judged with today's fashion eyes are considered "fat" but They were considered sex bomb at the time and I suppose that also were considered fit
There is also the fact that people working in farms and factories and population in genera had a lower life expectancy, so before condition like diabetes and CVD were less prevalent rather, say, got crushed by a tractor or getting polio or dying while giving birth.
If returning to the movie you look at the skinny Raf Vallone and compare it with how was when made the Godfather III you can see clearly that got some kilos, because of reduced activity and becoming older.
In this 1960 ad when the doctors measures the actress, the voiceover says "Doctor, what are you doing? Non make her lose weight!"
Being less and less active and change in dietary behaviour increase the calorie intake is the culprit in my opinion.
If you eat cornmeal porridge all the week, and on Sunday only you eat it wit hare then everyday you're on the cornfield, I bet you'll remain skinny and fit.
(Interesting fact: the first actor, Gino Bramieri underwent bariatric surgery and was one of the first cases in Italy)
you probably don't need to get to below 25%
I was confused at an index being a percentage. I have googled and it seems that people use BMI and Body Fat Percentage interchangeably. Certainly had me confused.
BMI = (Your weight in pounds x 703) ÷ (Your height in inches x Your height in inches) so is just a number.
Body Fat Percentage = Fat Mass ÷ Body weight which gives you a number but is expressed as a percentage, eg if your total weight is 120 lbs with 30 lbs being fat that's 1/4 or 25%.
So is 25% the Body Fat Percentage? or should is just be 25, the BMI?
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