Were you given Antibiotics prior to your health problems?

[AliB]

I live in a rural area, and have been alarmed at the constant trickle of stories about antibiotics and other drugs in our meat - not just the regular vet-prescribed drugs, but the illicit unmarked stuff that quietly goes into the feed. The stories are just too persistent to be entirely fictitious. There are some farmers it seems who will stop at nothing to turn a profit. And forget the son-of-the-earth image - most of them are very astute businessmen.

Unfortunately meat isn't the only victim. On crop spraying days, I've found birds dead in the gutter by the dozen - in the middle of a small town. And clouds of insects in hot weather because there's nothing left to prey on them. If that's what the chemicals do to the wildlife - what on earth do they do to us?

Absolutely Pickwick. Antibiotics are being thrown at us from every available source - even fish doesn't escape it now if it is farmed (and you don't always know!). It gets into the water and into the food.

They talk about not knowing what the 'long-term' effects would be of a low-carb regime, but that applies to a lot of things. The long-term effect of unrestrained antibiotic use has created 'Superbugs'. How do we know what other long-term effects they are having on us? Despite some people's feelings that they have conquered any effects like thrush, how come fungal problems are so endemic? Athlete's foot, dandruff, thrush, jock-itch, nail fungus, and the rest. There aren't many out there that don't have some kind of external indicator of an internal problem.

That is the problem. Man, in his arrogance, believes that he can do better. He has to meddle with everything. It's difficult to put a finger on anything specific because there are so many things that could be contributory to a greater or lesser degree. I have only highlighted antibiotics because they are something that most have been exposed to at some point, and because of the very nature of what they do and the result. Mercury fillings (having the second most toxic metal in your mouth isn't a problem???), gender issues through eostrogen deposits in the water, cell damage through food irradiation. Pasteurization, homogenization, hydrogenation, chemicalization. Meddle, meddle, meddle, meddle.

Our ancestors would die young through many reasons, but the biggest ones were things like insanitary conditions, lack of enough nutritious food, and having to work in hard and often very unsavoury conditions, and for very long hours.

Ironically, we have, well in the Western culture anyway, managed to pretty much deal with those problems, yet we, in many ways are little better off. We now live in a highly sanitized World - too highly sanitized some would say, we now have food coming out of our ears - yet have the paradox of obese people who suffer from malnutrition, and people are no longer forced to work down the mines or in the mills from the age of 5, yet we are still plagued by disease - many of them having 'popped up' in the last 50 years or so. Why?

We live in a commercially and chemically-driven World where everything is done for profit and **** the consequences. Everything is polluted in some way or another. Everything has been meddled with in some way or another.

When the meat has been exposed to antibiotics, growth hormones and goodness knows what else, when an animal hasn't seen a blade of grass in it's short, miserable life, when the vegetable and fruit crops have been sprayed to within an inch of its life with a host of chemicals you can't even pronounce the name of, when even the crops marked as 'organic' have been watered with polluted water, or rained on with acid rain, or have been ultra-hybridized, or contaminated (what hasn't?) with genetic modification - where will it all lead us?

We had the chance to make things better. We've had thousands of years to make it better. Maybe we are living longer now, but at what cost? With what health? I don't remember having energy. I probably had some as a child but its so long ago I can't remember it.

I am not a doom-mongerer. I'm just telling it how it is. Many of us don't know what it is like to have good health because we've never experienced it. Not real health and vitality, not life as it should be. We moan about kids being couch potatoes or computer junkies, but in reality, they don't have the energy to do much else. If you have energy you want to use it. Yes, energy breeds energy, but you have to have some to start with in order to get going. If your battery is flat, you ain't going anywhere.

When you really stop and look at what is going on, for all the attempts by some to stop global warming, or save the whale, or whatever the next ecological salvation thing might be, there is a factor out there that is hell-bent on destroying it all - whether they realise it or not.

The million dollar question is - has it already gone too far...........?

 

[sugar2]

I answered the survey, but feel my answers may be misleading Ali..apologies. I was diagnosed T1 at 4, but did not have anri biotics until I was older. Now only take them when teh pain drives me to it! I know that there was a theory, and I do not know whether it is just a theory or actually a fact, that T1 often happens after a shock, or illness. Could the fact that illness's are, as you rightly point out, often treated with AB that is causing this link?

Anti Biotics are wonderful, imho, but over used.

 

[Useless Pretty Boy]

They talk about not knowing what the 'long-term' effects would be of a low-carb regime, but that applies to a lot of things. The long-term effect of unrestrained antibiotic use has created 'Superbugs'. How do we know what other long-term effects they are having on us? Despite some people's feelings that they have conquered any effects like thrush, how come fungal problems are so endemic? Athlete's foot, dandruff, thrush, jock-itch, nail fungus, and the rest. There aren't many out there that don't have some kind of external indicator of an internal problem.

Yeah, but most of those are to do with less than admirable cleanliness levels. Damp and unwashed conditions. Two of those - in socks and underwear... all I'm going to say is that people should make sure to clean those parts and wear clean dry underwear. Ick.

That is the problem. Man, in his arrogance, believes that he can do better. He has to meddle with everything. It's difficult to put a finger on anything specific because there are so many things that could be contributory to a greater or lesser degree. I have only highlighted antibiotics because they are something that most have been exposed to at some point, and because of the very nature of what they do and the result. Mercury fillings (having the second most toxic metal in your mouth isn't a problem???), gender issues through eostrogen deposits in the water, cell damage through food irradiation. Pasteurization, homogenization, hydrogenation, chemicalization. Meddle, meddle, meddle, meddle.

Nice generalisations. Man believes he can do better... than what? Darwinian evolution requires one generation to make any change whatsoever, and branches every generation. And only one of those branches will flourish in any given situation, wiping out or superseeding the others. Yeah... we can do better than that. Humanity is the only animal without wings that can fly and we can fly faster, higher, further and for a longer time than any other thing which has existed on earth. I call that doing better.

Our ancestors would die young through many reasons, but the biggest ones were things like insanitary conditions, lack of enough nutritious food, and having to work in hard and often very unsavoury conditions, and for very long hours.

We had the chance to make things better. We've had thousands of years to make it better. Maybe we are living longer now, but at what cost? With what health? I don't remember having energy. I probably had some as a child but its so long ago I can't remember it.

Wow. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

I am not a doom-mongerer.

No, but you are so far counter-culture that you sound like a fourteen year communist.

I'm just telling it how it is.

That's the catchphrase of any pessimist, isn't it?

Doom, doom and bloody gloom. Complaining about everything wrong with the world while using one of its greatest achievements to do so. Don't get me wrong; it's very hip, very myspace. It's also completely hypocritical. You're looking for problems just to have something to rail against, like an adolescent against even her parents more sensible and lenient rules.

You may not feel you've ever had any energy, but most of us have some actual willpower in order to get up and do something healthy. But everything's the problem but you, right? Sigh... I don't know why I even bothered with this post. Keep complaining, see if anyone cares.

 

[Celtic.Piskie]

AliB.... go see a farm. A proper farm. Then you might actually know some of these animals.

Growth hormones have been banned in europe for a very long time.
http://ec.europa.eu/food/food/chemicals ... dex_en.htm

Man's 'meddling' means i'm alive.
Man's meddling means people can be fed in africa with grain that needs less water, so more food.
Man's meddling means people don't die of cancer.

'Life as it should be'... How rosy tinted are your glasses?
Life is what it is.

Try enjoying it sometime. By the way, i have plenty of energy. I have an 18m/o daughter, a 2 year old Malamute, and a husband.
I still go mountain biking, would love to get some snow and go skiing.
My MIL is *ahem she'll kill me if i tell*, she has diabetes. She is full of energy.
Takes my daughter around farms, car booting, runs around at all hours for her kids.

 

[AliB]

AliB.... go see a farm. A proper farm. Then you might actually know some of these animals.

Growth hormones have been banned in europe for a very long time.
http://ec.europa.eu/food/food/chemicals ... dex_en.htm

Man's 'meddling' means i'm alive.
Man's meddling means people can be fed in africa with grain that needs less water, so more food.
Man's meddling means people don't die of cancer.

'Life as it should be'... How rosy tinted are your glasses?
Life is what it is.

Try enjoying it sometime. By the way, i have plenty of energy. I have an 18m/o daughter, a 2 year old Malamute, and a husband.
I still go mountain biking, would love to get some snow and go skiing.
My MIL is *ahem she'll kill me if i tell*, she has diabetes. She is full of energy.
Takes my daughter around farms, car booting, runs around at all hours for her kids.

Well, you are very very fortunate. I wish I'd had that energy when my daughter was 18 months old - well, I wish I'd had it all of my life, but that option was taken away from me. I have a happy life, and I am an even-tempered happy person (though this particular thread may not give off those vibes) - I just don't have very much energy. What I do have is a very questioning and analytical brain. I don't just accept. I need to know HOW, and I need to know WHY. We accept far too much and we don't question nearly as much as we should.

Yes, man's meddling may mean that we are alive, it may mean that crops can be grown in Africa and it may mean that people don't die of Cancer - but what if man's meddling had contributed to the huge increase in Cancer in the first place? All the major diseases (and quite a few minor ones) are on the increase. Why?

What if the very things that have been designed to help us are actually damaging us at the same time? I mean, chemotherapy seems to cure Cancer, sometimes. But it also puts a huge toxic burden on the body - a burden that some people's bodies just can't take. What if, in the quest for a cure for Cancer, the most obvious things had been completely overlooked?

How do we know that what has been done to the crops to make them grow in Africa hasn't created a grain that may do damage to the body? These things are made up of very complex elements. When we change them and interfere with them, who knows what we are doing? Genetic Modification already has people running for the hills!

Whilst scientists appear to know a lot of things, unfortunately they don't know or understand everything - a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. Not knowing the whole picture can be a dangerous thing. We assume they know what they are doing - but do they? If what had been done to wheat and other grains and the big increase in the gluten protein within them is not a problem, then why is Coeliac Disease and gluten intolerance also rapidly increasing? Why are people and cultures which before have had no problems also developing gluten intolerance?

As far as the growth hormone thing is concerned, you know and I know that just because things are banned doesn't mean that they aren't used! There are plenty of countries out there that don't have the jurisdiction that we have and much of our meat is imported. Ok, even if they don't use growth hormones any more, I am sure there are plenty of other things they do use that we know nothing of.

It seems that BSE may well have been due to the animal feed. If you give cattle - ruminants that are supposed to feed on fresh green grass and hay, sludge with bits of other animals mixed in, then you are asking for trouble. They were allowed to get away with it far too long.

Back to the antibiotic issue. What if there were other, more natural things that could work just as well? Oregano oil works just as efficiently to kill pathogenic bacteria like MRSA and C.Diff as vancomycin but does not run the risk of any resistance issues and it also deals with Candida and supports the immune system, so there would be no risk of thrush following its use, so it is actually more efficient. It also does a host of other things too - well worth putting in your medicine cabinet. Only in recent times has allopathic interest started to be shown and research started to be done on some of these age-old remedies. They are finally beginning to wake up to the benefits of these plants.

Yes, things like antibiotics seemed to be the 'magic bullet', but because the allopathic medicine circus wanted to distance itself from the age-old herbal 'hubble-bubble' system and corner the market in treatment solutions they had to develop their own remedies. Ironically, many of their drugs have been derived from age-old herbal and plant remedies and reproduced synthetically into marketable pills, regardless of the fact that the herbal remedies are often superior and rarely produce any side-effects like the drugs do. In extracting the 'active ingredient' so that they can create a highly profitable drug, they discard the other elements within the plant that are there to act as buffers and support, and throw the baby out with the bathwater. Then they wonder why people get side-effects.

Yes, ironically, what we need has always been there, but commercialism has won the day and profits have become far more important.

I am not saying that everything that has been achieved has been worthless - I certainly may well not be here if it wasn't for insulin, but then that was just an extraction of a natural substance. It's when they start playing around with unknown chemical elements - just to 'see what they do' that it becomes worrying, and when they shove drugs at us that the long-term effects of are an unknown entity. They effectively are using us as guinea pigs. Yes, they do trials, but we all know that data can be manipulated. And sometimes people get very severe side-effects, like Cancer for instance. That is dismissed as an 'acceptable risk'. But does the person who gets the Cancer view it like that?

The fact is, there are alternatives. In many cases, better alternatives. But they have been swept aside in the furtherance of 'progress'. Progress that has been so successful that Humanity is now sicker than it has ever been, and with a huge variety of diseases, many of which are modern developments.

When I was having little success with either Metformin, Insulin or Byetta bringing down my blood sugar to a low enough level (I was eating more carbs at the time and was always in double figures), out of desperation I bought some capsules from the States. They contained herbs, spices like cinnamon and gymnema, some vitamins like chromium and vanadium, and a couple of amino acids. Within a few hours of taking them my blood sugar had gone from around 13, to 7. From then on I was able to get it to, and keep it within or just over normal range. Those natural elements had done what none of the drugs had. And I didn't have one side-effect either.

http://www.physorg.com/news130660742.html
http://www.biology-online.org/articles/ ... otect.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... tists.html
http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/anti6.php

 

[AliB]

Yeah, but most of those are to do with less than admirable cleanliness levels. Damp and unwashed conditions. Two of those - in socks and underwear... all I'm going to say is that people should make sure to clean those parts and wear clean dry underwear. Ick.

Well, UPB, you are obviously an expert and very fortunate not to suffer with those issues, but if you did, you would know that a lack of cleanliness is far from the problem. Yes, Candida and yeasts like damp places, which is why they are found in naturally damp places. How dare you suggest that I am unwashed! I was ridden with these things. I was getting through endless tubes of Canesten. But is has all gone now. I am not washing any more than before. I still put on clean underwear every day. What I have changed is my diet. And I take herbal antifungals and coconut oil. And that is why it has gone.

Nice generalisations. Man believes he can do better... than what? Darwinian evolution requires one generation to make any change whatsoever, and branches every generation. And only one of those branches will flourish in any given situation, wiping out or superseeding the others. Yeah... we can do better than that. Humanity is the only animal without wings that can fly and we can fly faster, higher, further and for a longer time than any other thing which has existed on earth. I call that doing better.

Yeah, and we are better at killing each other too.

Wow. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Um. Which gift horse would that be???

No, but you are so far counter-culture that you sound like a fourteen year communist.

Well, it takes one to know one........

That's the catchphrase of any pessimist, isn't it?

No, it's the catchphrase of someone who has their eyes open...........

Doom, doom and bloody gloom. Complaining about everything wrong with the world while using one of its greatest achievements to do so. Don't get me wrong; it's very hip, very myspace. It's also completely hypocritical. You're looking for problems just to have something to rail against, like an adolescent against even her parents more sensible and lenient rules.

What's MySpace?

You may not feel you've ever had any energy, but most of us have some actual willpower in order to get up and do something healthy. But everything's the problem but you, right? Sigh... I don't know why I even bothered with this post. Keep complaining, see if anyone cares.

Who's complaining? I think you need some new glasses.......

Questioning is not complaining.

As Albert Einstein said "The important thing is not to stop questioning."

 

[TheTartanPimpernel]

Alib wrote " a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing"

Nuff said.

 

[Useless Pretty Boy]

Alib wrote " a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing"

Nuff said.

Pfft! Haha. Excellent.

Wow. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

Um. Which gift horse would that be???

You admit we're living longer.... then say "but at what cost?" There are places in the world where lifespans are barely over 40, but you're complaining about getting past that with a few squeaks and rattles. Your wording implied that you didn't think it was worth extending life past those sorts of figures if it caused a possible drop in quality of life once past that point. It sounds very much like you were actually COMPLAINING about humanity being able to live longer. That's one hell of a gift horse to inspect the teeth of.

No, but you are so far counter-culture that you sound like a fourteen year communist.

Well, it takes one to know one........

Oh. My. God. ... Metaphorically speaking of course.
Would it be churlish to point out that if I'm arguing FOR established knowledge and wisdom, that I cannot, by definition, be counter culture? And on a glib and flippant note, I'd like to point out that I hate both the poor AND working classes.

it's the catchphrase of someone who has their eyes open...........

...and looks directly and exclusively at the bad things around them, ignoring the good.

What's MySpace?

Something, the name of which you correctly inserted capitals into. So I'm going to assume you're attempting to be facetious.

And who's complaining? You are... about your entire life it seems. You came here looking for reinforcement and vindication that the things you're unhappy about weren't your fault, but were instigated and institutionally forced on you by government and NHS scientific advice.

Except that's not what happened, is it?

Sigh.

 

[ShyGirl]

I'd love to know the real cause of type 2 Diabetes but linking it to antibiotics use is silly.
I think I last took antibiotics 2 years ago for an infection . As a child I had some for ear infections , UTI , oral thrush etc then aged 26 I was on them for 6 weeks due to being in hospital (they ruined my guts)
I was also told that i'd HAVE to go on antibiotics if I ever want a baby , still not sure why as it wasn't explained in the letter I was sent :?

 

[AliB]

Yes, well some people thought that the earth revolving round the sun was silly. And some people thought that the idea of being able to go to the moon was silly. And some people thought that the idea of being able to travel halfway across the World in a few hours was silly. But there you go - who were the ones who were silly?

Don't dismiss anything just because it seems silly. Stranger things have actually happened.......

I'm not saying I'm right by any means. I may be wrong, but truth has a habit of outing eventually.

Wait and see..........

 

[Celtic.Piskie]

They thought the sun revolved around the sun because at that time, that's what their evidence said.

There is absolutely no reasonable proof that antibiotics cause diabetes.
If you have any peer revieved journal articles, i would be extremely interested to read them.

Okay, chemo and radiotherapy don't work all the time. Have a better idea?
Because the entire world would love a better idea.

 

[ShyGirl]

Yes, well some people thought that the earth revolving round the sun was silly. And some people thought that the idea of being able to go to the moon was silly. And some people thought that the idea of being able to travel halfway across the World in a few hours was silly. But there you go - who were the ones who were silly?

Don't dismiss anything just because it seems silly. Stranger things have actually happened.......

I'm not saying I'm right by any means. I may be wrong, but truth has a habit of outing eventually.

Wait and see..........

What about Diabetics in poor countries with low antibiotic usuage? I think type 2 is linked to genetics and activity levels most of all.
As for saying you "might be wrong but the truth has a habit of outing....you believe antibiotic usage causes Diabetes so no point backtracking now.

 

[jopar]

Diabetes has been around for so long that even the Romans and Greeks knew about it, all be it that they didn't quite know what was happening inside the body, that didn't come until much later.. In fact type 2 diabetes was realised until after the invention of insulin...

Before insulin, standard practice was to continual to reduce carbohydrates as a person became more ill... Some faired better than others but after the invention of insulin and common use is when they clicked on, that there were two different types, so pre-insulin days those that died pretty quickly from diabetes would have been the T1 diabetes, and those who lasted a lot longer would have been T2 diabetics...

So assuming that both type1 and type 2 diabetes, was around since Roman times and eariler, it is hardy likely that diabetes is caused by taking Antibiotics....

As to increase, well this is two fold in the main, one being that more children survive chidlhood diabetes and go onto have children, and there children can have diabetes or pass the gene on, as to T2 the increase in partly due to people living longer, and yes some of the increase is directly linked to diet and lack of exercise...

 

[AliB]

Yes, but not everyone who is overweight or doesn't exercise will become Diabetic. Even scientists are recognising that things like Diabetes are very much on the increase - and don't know why.

My questioning has not been whether antibiotics cause Diabetes, but that they weaken the gut flora and therefore the immune system and allow pathogenic microbes/fungus to get into places they shouldn't normally be - and it is that that could be a possible contributor to Diabetes.

Yes, Diabetes has been around for a long time, but then so have pathogenic microbes and particularly yeasts. Whilst a strong immune system and a plethora of good gut flora might be able to fight them off or get them under control, as it would with the majority of these things, a weak immune system can't cope with them - hence the rise in Hospital-acquired fungal and/or bacterial infections in people who are already seriously immuno-compromised.

Many things can contribute to that scenario - poor living conditions, lack of nutritious food, etc., but certain drugs can also be a contributory factor.

The problems associated with immuno-compromisation is well documented, I don't think I need to educate anyone on that. As I think I mentioned earlier in the thread, even our local Hospitals are now giving pre-op patients courses of probiotics to take before they go into Hospital in an attempt to strengthen their immune systems against things like MRSA and C.Diff.

There are big links between Cancer and fungal infections for instance. You only have to Google that and heaps of stuff comes up. The problems with many of those articles is that the writers seem to assume that people get the fungus because their immune systems are weakened by the Cancer or its treatment. But what if the fungus was already present before the Cancer was picked up? What if the fungus itself was responsible for at least certain types of Cancer? Even trees will develop tumour-type galls when infected with certain types of fungus. The fungus triggers the gall (tumour) not the other way around.

Many of those links mention the possibility that Tamoxifen may beat fungal infections. Perhaps it works on the Cancer because it knocks the fungal infection back! It does beg the question: could treating the underlying fungal infection give Cancer patients a much better prognosis? Do those who get the fungus under control also get the Cancer under control?

Does the re-emergence of Cancer happen because the fungi that has escaped the anti-fungal treatment recolonises at some later point after treatment?

http://www.cancernetwork.com/display/ar ... 8?verify=0
http://www.healthe-livingnews.com/artic ... sease.html
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/m ... 2/art00007
http://www.loveoffering.com/fungus.htm
http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/ ... ection.pdf
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.p ... ic=12149.0
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... _87720068/

There's some research to be going on with............

A little more scientific interest is beginning to be shown in Mycotoxins - a field that has largely been ignored until recently, but it is still limited at present. I found a lot of references but either couldn't access them without paying loads of dosh, or they were linked to sites that many would probably scoff at, but there are some scientific references that I have so far come across and most make for interesting reading.

Interestingly, Diabetes researchers sometimes apparently use a type of Mycotoxin to induce Diabetes in rats or mice during testing..................

 

[TheTartanPimpernel]

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[Useless Pretty Boy]

Yes, well some people thought that the earth revolving round the sun was silly. And some people thought that the idea of being able to go to the moon was silly. And some people thought that the idea of being able to travel halfway across the World in a few hours was silly. But there you go - who were the ones who were silly?

Don't dismiss anything just because it seems silly. Stranger things have actually happened.......

I'm not saying I'm right by any means. I may be wrong, but truth has a habit of outing eventually.

Wait and see..........

Odd that the accomplishments of humanity are now being lauded.

The number of times you say 'maybe' or 'possibly' is ridiculous. And the philosophy pedant in me needs to point out that 'beggin the question' is the term for cyclical arguments. You want the term 'beget the question'.

Un-needed, I know. It's a bugbear.

 

[AliB]

You can accuse me (which undoubtedly you will in your own indomitable way) of the 'maybe's and the 'possibly's' but then if I was to state things as fact I would be damned that way too. In fact, as far as you are concerned I am talking out of my backside, so I can't figure out for the life of me why you even bother to reply.

Surprisingly, as far as 'maybe's' and 'possibly's' are concerned, it is surprising how many scientific documents are riddled with those. 'We surmise', or 'it is thought', or 'we're not sure why, but.....' - so I am in jolly good company.

Just because I dared to suggest the stupidest, idiotic 'possibility' that antibiotics might just contribute in some way to our ill health, despite the fact that there are a growing number of people out there who feel the same way, many of them scientists, and although I have never said a word to suggest otherwise, you have taken it upon yourself to assume that I think that everything man has done has been useless.

Yes, we have made a lot of mistakes, and we continue to make them - we never seem to learn from them somehow, but there are a lot of good and even amazing things that Man has achieved and I am the first to acknowledge that. But that still doesn't negate the mistakes. Despite our knowledge and technology, we still suffer with Diabetes, and we still suffer with Cancer, and we still get sick. Yes, the scientists can come up with 'remedies' to keep us going, but they still can't answer the question 'Why?' They still can't actually really cure anything very much - or prevent it happening. When they can categorically do that, then neither you, nor I, nor anyone else will need to ask any more questions. Until that time, I prefer to keep my options open, thank you very much.

You may 'only' have Diabetes, but there are a huge, huge amount of sick people out there for whom neither the medical profession, nor science can give any answers or even figure out what is wrong with them. They are stuck in a limbo position of 'if the Medical Profession can't diagnose it, it doesn't exist', mentality - and it must all be 'in your head'.

Nobody knows why people become Diabetic, or why others can't eat gluten, or why they get Rheumatoid Arthritis or Multiple Sclerosis or Chronic Fatigue or Crohn's disease or Motor Neurone disease, or ALS, or Alzheimer's or Ataxia or Schizophrenia or Fibromyalgia or Psoriasis or Tourette's or Epilepsy or Cystic Fibrosis or Bipolar or Myasthenia Gravis, or Parkinson's disease, or Bells Palsy, or Huntington's or Cancer or Haemochromatosis or any one of many other 'diseases'. There are plenty of 'maybe's' or 'possibly's', but no 'definitely's' or 'absolutely's'.

Neither are they able to give many of those people a very great quality of life - try telling that to my friend's daughter with MS who is going blind and cannot even get from her bed to the toilet without assistance. Or my friend with CFS who has spent the last five years in a bedridden virtual prison, being unable to speak to anyone, watch TV or even read, or another friend with Ataxia who can't walk without her legs giving way every few seconds and who gets such violent shakes that it leaves her sobbing with exhaustion, or my friend with Rheumatoid Arthritis for whom the only drug left available to her runs a very high risk of giving her Cancer.

Yes, they have achieved some things, but in other areas they have barely scratched the surface.

I know you love to have the last word, so if you reply to this, don't expect a response.

 

[Celtic.Piskie]

They still can't actually really cure anything very much if at all.

Diptheria
Hib Disease
Malaria
Measles
Pertussis
Pneumococcus
Polio
Tetanus
Typhoid
Yellow Fever
Tuberculosis
Post-exposure prophylaxis for HIV
Bubonic Plague
Rabies

That's just the diseases which have been cured. Not to mention the thousands that can be treated with little to no impact on daily life.
So some progress is no progress? Either we have to cure absolutely everything or we can't do anything?

Oops... Edited. Thanks

 

[timo2]

Hopefully, we can add diabetes to the list some day.

 

[ShyGirl]

Re: Were you given Antibiotics prior to your health problems

To be fair that's hardly a huge list. They can't even cure the FLU or IBS.Post-exposure prophylaxis treatment in HIV cases hasn't always worked but I guess other reasons could be cited.
And i'm sure I read that new strains of TB are incurable.