• Guest - w'd love to know what you think about the forum! Take the 2025 Survey »

What do these BG figures mean?

britishpub said:
Well if those finger pricks are correct then the 105 clearly never occurred and the OP is clearly not diabetic.

Wishing yourself to be diabetic seems strange to me, but if the OP wants mine I’ll happily share.
Click to expand...

I believe I am Pre diabetic, the A&E doctor clearly said to me you’re in the very early stages of diabetes.
 
charlie000 said:
I believe I am Pre diabetic.
Click to expand...

Your fasting BG reading would quite clearly indicate that you are not.

Impaired Fasting Glycemia is 7 or higher, between 6.1 and 6.9 means you may develop IFG.

Between 4 and 6 is considered normal.

All the random finger pricks you post on the forum would indicate to me (someone whose medical training comes from watching you tube) that you do not have pre-diabetes or diabetes.

Which is great news. Especially as you are now armed with the necessary information and have already altered your diet so the chances you ever actually developing diabetes are much slimmer.

If I were you I’d stop worrying about diabetes and get on with enjoying life.
 
Last edited:
britishpub said:
Your fasting BG reading would quite clearly indicate that you are not.

Impaired Fasting Glycemia is 7 or higher, between 6.1 and 6.9 means you may develop IFG.

Between 4 and 6 is considered normal.

All the random finger pricks you post on the forum would indicate to me (someone whose medical training comes from watching you tube) that you do not have pre-diabetes or diabetes.
Click to expand...
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes_care/blood-sugar-level-ranges.html. Shows normal as below 5.5. Prediabetic as 5.6 to 6.9 and above 7 as diabetic
 
Last edited:
There does seem to be a small contradiction in definition between 5.6 and 6.1 and whether this range is normal or prediabetic on this site.

NICE use 5.6 too. https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/PH38/chapter/Recommendations#risk-identification-stage-1see 1.4.1

Perhaps it is still sufficiently high to be classed as at risk (or prediabetic) by nice and the nhs but not high enough to be classed as IFG. 5.6 is (til today) the only number I’ve seen used in the uk as the start of prediabetes. Some sources state there is no accepted definition of prebiabetes and other countries, as with diabetes itself, have differing definitions.
 
@charlie000

You asked about the oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) which is when you drink 75g of pure glucose whilst in a fasted state. This page on our website explains the test.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/oral-glucose-tolerance-test.html

It can be done at home, but requires a morning where you have nothing else to do but sit down, read, and test yourself every 15 minutes for uop to 3 hours. You can buy ready made glucose, made especially for this test. Some doctors use this.

https://www.gpsupplies.com/catalog/...pilose-ogtt-glucose-solution-300ml-pack-of-1/

However, in the instructions for preparation for this test, you need to be on a stable diet, you need to be at a constant weight with no acute illness, and need to maintain an adequate carbohydrate intake of at leat 130g a day for 3 days prior to the test. You need to have fasted for 9 hours with nothing but water (no food, no medications, no caffeine, no tobacco)

Other factors can weaken the results of the test including certain drugs. Beta Blockers are one of these "certain drugs"

I am 100% certain this test is not appropriate for you.
 
Bluetit1802 said:
@charlie000

You asked about the oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) which is when you drink 75g of pure glucose whilst in a fasted state. This page on our website explains the test.

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/oral-glucose-tolerance-test.html

It can be done at home, but requires a morning where you have nothing else to do but sit down, read, and test yourself every 15 minutes for uop to 3 hours. You can buy ready made glucose, made especially for this test. Some doctors use this.

https://www.gpsupplies.com/catalog/...pilose-ogtt-glucose-solution-300ml-pack-of-1/

However, in the instructions for preparation for this test, you need to be on a stable diet, you need to be at a constant weight with no acute illness, and need to maintain an adequate carbohydrate intake of at leat 130g a day for 3 days prior to the test. You need to have fasted for 9 hours with nothing but water (no food, no medications, no caffeine, no tobacco)

Other factors can weaken the results of the test including certain drugs. Beta Blockers are one of these "certain drugs"

I am 100% certain this test is not appropriate for you.
Click to expand...

I will wait until my fat loss journey is over
 
To be honest, I would be more worried about the AFIB and finding the cause/s (considering how well you're doing with bg).
 
Guzzler said:
To be honest, I would be more worried about the AFIB and finding the cause/s (considering how well you're doing with bg).
Click to expand...
I have an echocardiogram done at the hospital showed a normal heart and no reason for AFIB. I am meeting my consultant this week again to discuss further.

The theory that my consultant is exploring which is the most plausible is:

1 - Excessive lack of sleep. I went on for around 9 Months with very minimal sleep, and around 6-7 coffees a day (pure black strong coffees) and a lot of hard labour.

2 - Excessive stress from a relationship breakdown

My consultant seems it is due to excessive stress and excessive coffee drinking. I was drinking 20 cups of coffee a day or so, do compensate loss of sleep.

Ever since stopping coffee, sleeping properly (getting the right amount hours) but timings are still bad... My heart rate rests at around 65 beats per minute, I guess this is also in relation to my LCHF with gym.

The only issue I have now is sleeping good hours. I sleep enough hours, but not normal hours.

Thanks for the kind words
 
charlie000 said:
I will wait until my fat loss journey is over
Click to expand...

Do you have much to lose?

charlie000 said:
I believe I am Pre diabetic, the A&E doctor clearly said to me you’re in the very early stages of diabetes.
Click to expand...

You're HbA1c is 105 mmol/mol, is that correct?

Normal Below 42 mmol/mol Below 6.0%
Prediabetes 42 to 47 mmol/mol 6.0% to 6.4%
Diabetes 48 mmol/mol or over 6.5% or over

I wouldn't dream of disagreeing with a doctor, A&E or otherwise. It's just that 105 mmol/mol seems to be more than slightly above 48 mmol/mol. If additional tests are being offered I think it's a good idea to take them while you can. Is that HbA1c from February? Two months ago? I hope you don't leave it too long.
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
Do you have much to lose?



You're HbA1c is 105 mmol/mol, is that correct?

Normal Below 42 mmol/mol Below 6.0%
Prediabetes 42 to 47 mmol/mol 6.0% to 6.4%
Diabetes 48 mmol/mol or over 6.5% or over

I wouldn't dream of disagreeing with a doctor, A&E or otherwise. It's just that 105 mmol/mol seems to be more than slightly above 48 mmol/mol. If additional tests are being offered I think it's a good idea to take them while you can. Is that HbA1c from February? Two months ago? I hope you don't leave it too long.
Click to expand...
David, good evening.
It depends on how I look at it, if I have a lot to lose or not. I don't want to lose weight, I want to retain muscle. I am at 89kg, is what my scales show after a good fast. I was 98KG towards the end of Jan - Mid Feb 2019.

I was told my HBA1C was 105mmol in hospital. No additional tests were offered by my GP. But A&E doctor informed my GP for me to be put on Diabetic medication straight away. But my GP told me to adjust my diet, and to exercise more, and lose weight and to take take it from there.

What is wrong with leaving a HBA1C too late? Just curious? I'm not consuming the toxic **** as I was before, and I am losing weight and become more fit.
 
charlie000 said:
It depends on how I look at it, if I have a lot to lose or not.
Click to expand...

Perhaps I should have said how much do you want to lose?

charlie000 said:
But my GP told me to adjust my diet, and to exercise more, and lose weight and to take take it from there.
Click to expand...

Did he tell you how to adjust your diet? Did he tell you how much weight to lose? Do you know how much you're supposed to weigh?

My HbA1c was 86 mmol/mol when I was diagnosed, my GP prescribed something straight away. There again he also recommended in fact insisted that I continued eating carbs. Hopefully a low carb diet will straighten things out. I think what's more important is that if your BG Is going to remain high you get the proper checks done for things like retinopathy and neuropathy. Diabetes is not a simple disease, it has many hidden dangers. All the best with your dietary change.
 
DavidGrahamJones said:
Perhaps I should have said how much do you want to lose?



Did he tell you how to adjust your diet? Did he tell you how much weight to lose? Do you know how much you're supposed to weigh?

My HbA1c was 86 mmol/mol when I was diagnosed, my GP prescribed something straight away. There again he also recommended in fact insisted that I continued eating carbs. Hopefully a low carb diet will straighten things out. I think what's more important is that if your BG Is going to remain high you get the proper checks done for things like retinopathy and neuropathy. Diabetes is not a simple disease, it has many hidden dangers. All the best with your dietary change.
Click to expand...

I am 5’7 my weight is 89kg. Way too high for my BMI I’d like to get in to the 70s by June. Maybe 78 in June?

My GP told me to stop eating fatty foods. To cut out things like butter, sweet things, and junk food. I admire my GP I am sure he has my best interests but isn’t aware of LCHF. Right now I’m going against my docs advice about LCHF

Will look in to additional tests
 
I think you need an A1c sooner rather than later because of the anomalies. The consultant informs your GP that your A1c is 105 and instructs Diabetes meds but your GP reckons bloods slightly raised and advises weight loss and excercise without any meds. Now, having seen your repeated postings of readings what might have happened if your GP had prescribed meds and/or insulin? You need to clear up any mis-communication or possible lab error because Diabetes can be a life limiting condition. If you do not have the condition then you can relax with the testing and carry on if you so wish with the healthier lifestyle.
A clear diagnosis is paramount in terms of treatment.
 
Guzzler said:
I think you need an A1c sooner rather than later because of the anomalies. The consultant informs your GP that your A1c is 105 and instructs Diabetes meds but your GP reckons bloods slightly raised and advises weight loss and excercise without any meds. Now, having seen your repeated postings of readings what might have happened if your GP had prescribed meds and/or insulin? You need to clear up any mis-communication or possible lab error because Diabetes can be a life limiting condition. If you do not have the condition then you can relax with the testing and carry on if you so wish with the healthier lifestyle.
A clear diagnosis is paramount in terms of treatment.
Click to expand...

Guzzler you are so right. But my GP didn’t even send me on further tests!
 
Guzzler said:
I think you need an A1c sooner rather than later because of the anomalies. The consultant informs your GP that your A1c is 105 and instructs Diabetes meds but your GP reckons bloods slightly raised and advises weight loss and excercise without any meds. Now, having seen your repeated postings of readings what might have happened if your GP had prescribed meds and/or insulin? You need to clear up any mis-communication or possible lab error because Diabetes can be a life limiting condition. If you do not have the condition then you can relax with the testing and carry on if you so wish with the healthier lifestyle.
A clear diagnosis is paramount in terms of treatment.
Click to expand...

My BG last night was 4.4 after gym, had a few nuts to kill the hunger. My last meal was at 3pm yesterday, so I’ve been fasting more or less since 3pm. My waking up BG was 4.5 today
 
charlie000 said:
Guzzler you are so right. But my GP didn’t even send me on further tests!
Click to expand...

Now Easter is over you can ring your surgery and ask to either see the GP or arrange a telephone appointment. You need this clearing up. Either there was some sort of error with that HbA1c of 105 or your GP misread it. I suspect the former. Had your GP seen the 105 he would have had you on medication immediately and given you a further blood test to confirm it. It can be cleared up in a phone call.
 
Back
Top