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What does the UK leaving the EU mean for us?

ickihun said:
Maybe a British firm would like to diversify and buy at a good price?
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Historically, the corner shop has been a sole trader.
The Aldi and Lidl business model is taking market share, even the bigger super markets such as Tesco, and Asda are suffering still.
The Spar, the Londis type chains are barely competing, and no one is going to pay substantially more than they have to, particularly when they have been promised the earth, and the wonderful times ahead.
 
zand said:
Yep worker greed in the coal industry and car industry was what pushed us towards joining the common market in the first place.
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Or union strength because of unfair terms?
 
The old co-op is a good example too. I agree.
 

So true.

Take Amazon, they provide an credible customer experience, unbeatable range and price and I increasingly use them. My daughter does the same, but she is also an Amazon supplier and describes them as absolute %##trds to deal with, the worst of any large scale retailer on or offline.


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I think I'm trying to express the leavers thoughts on why they wanted to leave and their foresight to nurish a better democracy and foundation in British expectations. Oh whilst looking after my noisy and active toddler.
Multitasking! Sorry.
 
ickihun said:
The old co-op is a good example too. I agree.
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I didn't include the co op, as they aren't the same business model.
They're a mutual company, and retain a lot of brand loyalty for that reason.
They are also diversified into several sectors, such as banking, funeral, insurance etc.
 
Because they are an American firm who put customer service first. That is why they are so successful. The buyer is the bargaining power. As too many suppliers. Unless a unique product.
 
SunnyExpat said:
I didn't include the co op, as they aren't the same business model.
They're a mutual company, and retain a lot of brand loyalty for that reason.
They are also diversified into several sectors, such as banking, funeral, insurance etc.
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Sorry I ment the begining of the co-op empire. Not the diverse one of now.
 
ickihun said:
I think I'm trying to express the leavers thoughts on why they wanted to leave and their foresight to nurish a better democracy and foundation in British expectations. Oh whilst looking after my noisy and active toddler.
Multitasking! Sorry.
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It is coming over as that, but I remember that as my childhood from the 60's to the 70's.
But I also think that was my memory, and not my reality.

My reality is
I remember the unions making life impossible.
I remember the casual terminology for immigrants. It wasn't 'racial hatred' that's a new term, it was just everyday language. (Although there was racial hatred by some as well).
I remember being poor.
I remember the first 10" second hand tv.
Working 8 to 6, with hour an hours break.
Going abroad, and having to order American Express travelers checks from the bank, and changing them in the hotel.

That wasn't the good old days for me.
I'm a product of globalisation.
I want to get in my car, and simply use my credit card, or get cash out of an ATM, and have a drink with people I've just met, and make stupid gestures in sign language, while having a laugh.
I want to buy goods online, from around the world, and press a button to pay, and have them come to my doorstep.
I want to eat food, apart from sausage and mash, or fish and chips.
I'm still British, no matter where I am, but I'm also part of where I am at the time.
And last week, I was part of the world.
This week, I think I'm part of a much uglier, more violent Britain.
It's not the vote that is so bad, it's the response, of a minority, that seems to think it's an acceptable response, and I've not seen that since the good old days either.

Edit - change that, I can't remember the last time I had fish and chips, I do actually want to eat that now
Maybe I'll go out for a beer instead.
 
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ickihun said:
Sorry I ment the begining of the co-op empire. Not the diverse one of now.
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They very quickly moved into insurance, banking shipping, importing, after starting out in their shops.
I believe they were entrepreneurs, forced out of work by the industrial revolution, that decided to set up a business selling goods to the public, and each put up a share of the capital. More a collection of friends through fate, than a noble dream unfortunately.
But they have kept to the mutual principles, unlike many that sold out on the way.
 
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I'm happy to use my experiences and learn by them. Ensure they don't happen again.
Is there any need for a union when the establishment now know what is fair? Or will workers be exploited.
Communication is a key.
 
ickihun said:
Or union strength because of unfair terms?
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It depends on what you consider unfair about the terms.

It was an industry where the cost of production was increasing, driven by the fact that much of the UK's coal was in difficult to mine, non-contiguous seams and cheaper imports were available, north sea oil and gas were coming on line, which were much cheaper and cleaner, the move away from Steam on the railways to Diesel and Electric engines and thanks to the British Clean Air Act in 1950 - well before EU involvement, coal demand was dropping in homes. With that backdrop the unions were demanding maintenance of working practices that were out of line with the mechanisation that was taking place elsewhere around the globe (reducing costs) and increased wages.

I'm not sure that's what I'd consider being faced with unfair terms. The coal industry was becoming globalised and as has happened many times in the UK, the work force didn't want to accept this. This was all happening before we were members of the EU as well.

Where the UK failed was in not promoting new industries that would replace those that were in decline, which is what Germany did with their Mittelstand policy. All this has very little to do with the EU of course, and much more to do with the successive failures of British government in understanding how to grow the UK economy.
 
ickihun said:
I'm happy to use my experiences and learn by them. Ensure they don't happen again.
Is there any need for a union when the establishment now know what is fair? Or will workers be exploited.
Communication is a key.
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There is always a need for collective strength, as there is no definition of 'fair'.
It's always relative to your beliefs.
Fair to some, means keeping our borders open, so those in need can be taken in, and helped to contribute back into the economy.
To others, it means closing them, so those coming in to scrounge benefits won't be taking it of the ones here that need it.
 
Catlady19 said:
Er, I know that. Are Germans the only Europeans that make cars? Er, NO!
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Ok, I'll go with that.
The EU will ignore the most fundamental part of their charter, backed by the biggest car production industry, in what is the probably the biggest contributor in the union, because we have a tory backbencher that reckons we need to buy off them more.

It's going to be interesting for you over there.
 
Wow! I didn't know any of that - you've had an impressive career, Kevin. no wonder you talk sense!
 
debrasue said:
Wow! I didn't know any of that - you've had an impressive career, Kevin. no wonder you talk sense!
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I've had plenty of failures and mistakes all mixed in with some success. But I've loved being a dad and hubby most of all


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zand said:
So you voted leave because you wanted a civil war? What is it you think you see in your crystal ball?
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Sorry where exactly does it say she voted leave because she wanted a civil war?
 
Just heard Boris has lit the blue touch paper and run like a cheetah. I never could see him leading the Brexit campaign as a PM, he never said how this exit would be accomplished, all the reassurance and assertions were so much hot air. Anyway, do you think he knew how to get the best deal on exit?
 
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An even more interesting turn of events.
 
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