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"What have you eaten" Parallel Chat

@Annb , thought to take it here before I get a telling off by my colleagues. :angelic:

In both our countries, as a rule of thumb T1s are treated by an endo/diabetes specialist nurse team through the hospital, and T2s are treated by GP/GP diabetes nurse.
This isn't a rule set in stone, some T1s are under GP care and some T2s are under specialist care, especially if they are on a basal/bolus type of treatment like yourself.

I was given the choice when after 2 years of T2 I was rediagnosed with T1.
My treatment already went well and I liked my GP's practice nurse but I still chose to switch to a hospital team, mainly because I felt they would be more up to date than my practice nurse if ever I wanted something unusual, she was already out of her depth with the way I was dosing.

GP's and GP's diabetes nurses tend to not be as familiar with the complexities of insulin dosing, most of their patients are on orals or a twice a day insulin with strict rules on eating.
They do not know about prebolusing, bolusing for Foot on the Floor or Dawn Phenomenon, how to adjust doses with increased activity, how to correct or how to do a basal test in someone on mealtime insulin as well.

Which is why you've learned so much about those things through the forum over the past couple of years, things are so much better now you've gained confidence and experience with dosing in different circumstances!
And your practice nurse is likely out of her depth with what you are doing because you're using quite a lot "T1" techniques by now.
Ah makes sense now. Actually, I don't think any of the nurses at the Western Isles Diabetes Centre know very much about T2 on insulin. Since I am not able to be active, I don't have to worry about dosing for activity but neither do I know about doing a basal test in someone on pre-food insulin. They've certainly never been keen on discussing how to manage my diabetes with insulin so, you're quite right - I've learned more from this forum than from diabetes specialist nurses here, but I'm still missing a lot because I don't know to look for things.

Two things I've never heard of that you mention: prebolusing and bolusing for Dawn Phenomenon. I do bolus when BG runs very high (reaching 14+ and rising) but the nurses are very uncomfortable with that. The Centre staff seem quite comfortable with BGs around 10 or 11 - which I am not. I think they have that attitude that says, "it can only get worse". They think also that because I am 77 BG is bound to be higher. I don't know if that is true or not.

I daresay I shall continue learning from the forum forever - or for as long as I last. :confused:
 
neither do I know about doing a basal test in someone on pre-food insulin.
I think you'll be interested but you'll need a decent piece of information on it and I don't really have experience with it.
However, this is the link @Jaylee regularly shares, looks pretty sensible to me. :)

We discussed some of this here and on the following page a while back:

Two things I've never heard of that you mention: prebolusing and bolusing for Dawn Phenomenon.
Prebolusing is waiting for a bit after injecting before you start eating. Not necessary for everyone but it can be very effective if you see a prolonged spike after eating before dropping again.
It gives the insulin a bit of a head start if you find the food is quicker to have an effect than the insulin.

Dosing for Dawn Phenomenon is close to taking a correction dose. But you take more insulin than a traditional correction where you only take your current BG in account, because you know you'll rise further. You've already experimented with this!
Worth reading back the whole converstion. :)
It was when you were rising at night but had been told no insulin without food ever:
(Click the links, they look funny since the forum update but they are links to the relevant posts in this thread!)
You creatively solved the issue of knowing you needed the insulin but having been forbidden to take it without food by having a little yoghurt as an excuse to take the insulin!
They think also that because I am 77 BG is bound to be higher. I don't know if that is true or not.
They have a bit of a point here.
Or two points really:
The first is the risk for hypos when running lower. A hypo makes for a risk of falling, and falling is a big risk in the elderly because they tend to break hips (possibly leading to pneumonia etc.) or are not able to get up again and having to spend hours on the cold floor before getting help.
Falling is life threatening in the elderly.

The second is the reason for keeping healthy BG. Aiming for BG's around 10 or 11 is likely to keep away the nasty diabetes symptoms (thirst, peeing, thrush etc.) so the patient is comfortable enough.
Keeping our BG's lower than that is to prevent complications in the future.
So the shorter the future will likely be, the less time for complications to get nasty.

A 20 year old diabetic might need to try to prevent complications for another 70 years, a 77 year old doesn't.

Still, I don't agree that aiming for above 10 is the right course for everyone, diabetes care should be highly individualised regardless of age.
I daresay I shall continue learning from the forum forever - or for as long as I last. :confused:
Way to go, and may it be a long time!
 
I had grudgingly accepted to have a boring new years eve with only my dogs and cats for company and not even able to do some festive food shopping because of my covid infection, but it looks like I'll be celebrating with neighbour-in-the-garden after all!

I sent him the first picture on monday to let him know to stay away, second one is his from tonight.
If he only feels as medium rubbish as I do there's no reason not to enjoy the changing of the year together. :)
Doesn't alcohol ward off bad spirits and germs alike? We might go and try to chase all of them away on saturday! :angelic:


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I had grudgingly accepted to have a boring new years eve with only my dogs and cats for company and not even able to do some festive food shopping because of my covid infection, but it looks like I'll be celebrating with neighbour-in-the-garden after all!

I sent him the first picture on monday to let him know to stay away, second one is his from tonight.
If he only feels as medium rubbish as I do there's no reason not to enjoy the changing of the year together. :)
Doesn't alcohol ward off bad spirits and germs alike? We might go and try to chase all of them away on saturday! :angelic:


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Last Christmas Day, we all had covid, so we still had Christmas Dinner. Apart from poor DIL that had a few bad days, for the rest of us it was one "off" day with cold like symptoms.

Enjoy N.Y.
 
Oh my God, I missed all the fun! @Antje77 your cats are great! I've always dreamed of a black cat, but my parents have 5 cats and no black ones, and I don't have any pets at all.

It's probably too late to wish you a Merry Christmas. Where I am, Christmas is not celebrated, so I only celebrated my birthday on December 25 :hilarious:
 
Energy suppliers are beyond the pale. Some of you know I complained a few months back when they decided they were going to increase my direct debit payment despite me being substantially in credit and my existing payment more than covering my usage. I eon't go through the tale again but, suffice to say, they left the direct debit payment alone and I received a refund of most of my credit plus a "payment" for inconvenience (compensation but they don't seem to like admitting that).

All was fine until 19 December. We had gone into a colder snap before that but still my payment plus credit covered my usage. I also decided that since we're into a colder period, I'd pay an amount by BACS transfer to ensure there was sufficient to cover usage in the next month.

To my horror, the energy supplier once again decided they were going to increase my direct debit payment by £50 pm. No ifs, no buts. This is the disagreement I had with them before as their method is flawed.

My complaint on 19 December failed to get a reply until I was forced to complain again after they said they had increased my direct debit. At this point I told them I would be complaining to Ofgem (their regulator), leaving them as soon as I could, and cancelling my direct debit to pay via BACS. That eventually got a response on 28 December.

They admitted they had "overestimated" the increase on the direct debit - it should have been £9 not £50!!

They admitted, despite saying previously you cannot pay by standing order, you actually can pay this way. Also you can pay by BACS BUT, both these methods incur a higher tariff.

They admit they ask for a higher lump sum up front as an alternative to increasing the direct debit payment. In my case m, the amount was £620!! That is just like a retailer saying pay me for what you are buying now but you will receive the goods gradually over the coming months - oh and we'll be taking a monthly subscription from you too So they really think we're all idiots.

The £8 pm I decided to live with for now, but I told them in no uncertain terms, I am far from happy, I will be leaving them as soon as I can in the coming months and I will continue to keep a close eye on usage. Finally, any sign of excessive credit building up and they had better reduce the direct debit (or I'd cancel it).

I then proceeded to ask a number of questions about their methods, the main one being why they charge a higher tariff for the very efficient BACS transfer or standing order.

Also, where is the documentary evidence that customers should be at least one month in credit.

Unbelievably, the reply I got said they are glad I'm happy!! No answers to any questions. I've politely suggested they read my email again but, to make it clear I am far from happy and, in case they missed it, here are all my questions again.

Rant over!! I'll be interested to see if they come up with a reply. The Telegraph the past couple of days has exposed that energy suppliers are hanging onto around £2billion of funds from customers in credit.
 
Energy suppliers are beyond the pale. Some of you know I complained a few months back when they decided they were going to increase my direct debit payment despite me being substantially in credit and my existing payment more than covering my usage. I eon't go through the tale again but, suffice to say, they left the direct debit payment alone and I received a refund of most of my credit plus a "payment" for inconvenience (compensation but they don't seem to like admitting that).

All was fine until 19 December. We had gone into a colder snap before that but still my payment plus credit covered my usage. I also decided that since we're into a colder period, I'd pay an amount by BACS transfer to ensure there was sufficient to cover usage in the next month.

To my horror, the energy supplier once again decided they were going to increase my direct debit payment by £50 pm. No ifs, no buts. This is the disagreement I had with them before as their method is flawed.

My complaint on 19 December failed to get a reply until I was forced to complain again after they said they had increased my direct debit. At this point I told them I would be complaining to Ofgem (their regulator), leaving them as soon as I could, and cancelling my direct debit to pay via BACS. That eventually got a response on 28 December.

They admitted they had "overestimated" the increase on the direct debit - it should have been £9 not £50!!

They admitted, despite saying previously you cannot pay by standing order, you actually can pay this way. Also you can pay by BACS BUT, both these methods incur a higher tariff.

They admit they ask for a higher lump sum up front as an alternative to increasing the direct debit payment. In my case m, the amount was £620!! That is just like a retailer saying pay me for what you are buying now but you will receive the goods gradually over the coming months - oh and we'll be taking a monthly subscription from you too So they really think we're all idiots.

The £8 pm I decided to live with for now, but I told them in no uncertain terms, I am far from happy, I will be leaving them as soon as I can in the coming months and I will continue to keep a close eye on usage. Finally, any sign of excessive credit building up and they had better reduce the direct debit (or I'd cancel it).

I then proceeded to ask a number of questions about their methods, the main one being why they charge a higher tariff for the very efficient BACS transfer or standing order.

Also, where is the documentary evidence that customers should be at least one month in credit.

Unbelievably, the reply I got said they are glad I'm happy!! No answers to any questions. I've politely suggested they read my email again but, to make it clear I am far from happy and, in case they missed it, here are all my questions again.

Rant over!! I'll be interested to see if they come up with a reply. The Telegraph the past couple of days has exposed that energy suppliers are hanging onto around £2billion of funds from customers in credit.
Shocking @maglil55. Especially right now, when the energy suppliers are well aware that some of their customers are struggling. It's no way to run any business but especially not the way to run a utility.
 
I too, spent too much time trying to complain to EDF today, about an unattended building I look after where there must be a fault as the usage has tripled ( I don't mean the cost, I know the unit charged had shot up)

Now I have complaints about their "chat service " and their staff attitude and inaccuracies as well as the original faulty meter.

After all its not as though I have anything else to do with my day is it?

@maglil55 i feel your pain
 
I too, spent too much time trying to complain to EDF today, about an unattended building I look after where there must be a fault as the usage has tripled ( I don't mean the cost, I know the unit charged had shot up)

Now I have complaints about their "chat service " and their staff attitude and inaccuracies as well as the original faulty meter.

After all its not as though I have anything else to do with my day is it?

@maglil55 i feel your pain
They are driving me up the wall. There are so many inaccuracies now that I am insisting that everything is in an email so that I have a record. I'm still getting over one of these incompetents trying to tell me my credit rating would be affected if I cancelled the direct debit After more than 38 years in finance, I informed them that was utter rubbish If I didn't pay them at all there would eventually be an issue but cancelling direct debits has no effect. I'm really looking forward to what they come up with to justify a large up front payment plus monthly payments for energy we haven't received yet!
 
@Antje77 we are way overdue a kitten picture!
I'll make up for my lack of pictures and post multiple! :happy:


Earlier this week I needed a picture of my shirt to show in a diabetes group on Facebook (It says: 'I give vampires a sugar rush'). Took quite a while to distract the kittens long enough to get the t-shirt.

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Three days ago they learned to climb the curtains to hang out in the plant hanging from my ceiling right above me when I sit on the couch!
Nacht always meows very loudly when he's about to climb something, very thoughtful of him, I love to watch!

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Living on the edge on a sunday afternoon!
My lap got occupied right after taking insulin for my beer but before getting the beer from the fridge.
Everyone knows you can't get up as long as there's a cat in your lap so I had no choice but waiting and hoping I wouldn't need to treat a hypo before they decided to do something else. Thankfully they decided to do some more curtain climbing after half an hour, right when my Libre graph started to drop.
Life is never boring as a diabetic! :hilarious:

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And my grown grumpy cat Efraïm has taken to bringing in dead 'practice' mice for the kittens.
Nacht loves it (Ix hasn't had a chance yet), I, not so much. But I guess it's an important part of their education as future pest control employees so I pretend I like it and tell them how wonderful they are.

The funniest thing was that after 2 hours of growling and playing the new toy broke, and an astonished Nacht found out that his toy was filled with yummy goodness! Not a morsel left. :hungry:

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Those pictures bring back so many memories, but I'm sure ours learnt the No word, especially where curtains were concerned. Or maybe they were just lazier :p
 
but I'm sure ours learnt the No word, especially where curtains were concerned.
But I WANT them to climb the curtains, it's so much fun! Both for them and for me to watch. :joyful:

The only thing I'm trying my NEE! on is scratching the upholstery of my grandfather's chair (the one in the t-shirt picture), I'm perfectly happy to share every other bit of furniture with my cats in any way they like to use it! :cat:
 
But I WANT them to climb the curtains, it's so much fun! Both for them and for me to watch. :joyful:

The only thing I'm trying my NEE! on is scratching the upholstery of my grandfather's chair (the one in the t-shirt picture), I'm perfectly happy to share every other bit of furniture with my cats in any way they like to use it! :cat:
It would be a shame to spoil that lovely upholstery. For myself - I prefer my cats to be better disciplined. Probably not natural though.
 
We had a room where the cats were only allowed in "with a grown up", everywhere else was free range.
Trouble is now my hubby (aka Soft Touch) has retired he opens the living room door every morning and lets them in, whereas I keep it firmly shut until a "grown up" is available.
Luckily they are now so old they aren't having a go at the furniture and just like sleeping on the cushions.
It did cost over £800 to have a pair of chairs reupholstered from before they were banned!
We have found double-sided sticky tape is useful to put on any fabric they do have a go at... including carpets
This is bringing back so many memories. I hadn't quite realised how little ours do now. But I don't miss the live "presents"
Girl cat has even stopped going outside to toilet so we're back to having a tray inside
 
She's cross because I've been typing on here rather than stroking
 

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