What have you eaten today?

Brunneria · Mar 16, 2015

TPO said:
I've never heard of that before. I'll give that a go tonight.

If my BG is the same or lower when I wake up, is that a good sign?

Hi,

I don't think that dawn phenomenon is a bad thing. It's perfectly natural for the body to get ready for the day. But in some diabetics (like me!), it can get a bit out of wack.

So don't worry about it. I only mentioned it because my DP means that skipping breakfast is a bad idea.
Other people have no problem at all. Hopefully you are one of them.

Regarding your test meter, if you haven't used it for a while, I should check the battery, and the date on your test strips. I think they get less accurate if they are out of date.

You may find this thread interesting.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/thr...our-fasting-blood-glucose-in-a-morning.23574/
It will give you an idea of what other people experience.

Susikav · Mar 17, 2015

HA3 said:
B. All bran with ss milk, one boiled egg. Had early as hungry.

L. Bit of a mismatch as my experiment on freezing lettuce informed me exactly why you shouldn't freeze lettuce so had some chicken breast, a boiled egg, 2 slices of luncheon meat and mayo. Had early as had breakfast early..

D. Starving but did not succumb to anything til dinner. Shepherds pie with cauli topping. Was going to test at 2h but at 1.25h had jelly and cream

The shepherds pie was really hot and took me about half an hour to eat. Do you test 2h after the first bite, somewhere in the middle or 2h after the last bite?

Apparently you test before the first bite? Then two hours later.. Ahhh, what Brunneria said...

Susikav · Mar 17, 2015

Kezzer4321 said:
Wow I love reading this thread....been In Bed since Friday Full of cold and feeling sorry for myself and I've eaten a load of low carb rubbish lol. But trying to get back on track today

B - salami mini crustless quiche
L - bbq chicken with cucumber no cheese coleslaw
D - salmon in lemon & ginger with broccoli followed by Stracciatella cake with strawberries and cream

That all sounds perfect to me... Hope you feel better soon... nice to have a rest though...

pavlovsdog · Mar 17, 2015

DeejayR said:
You can do mushy peas! Oh well, without fish & chips I suppose there's no point in wishing ...

I'm not sure that I can do mushy peas tbh Ray, it was just the lesser of two evils, the other option was carrots :-o which I hate anyway. Didn't seem to affect my bg too much as it was only 5.6 about 2 1/2 hours afterwards. I'm not going to have them regularly though. I do love mushy peas though...: hungry:

pavlovsdog · Mar 17, 2015

Brunneria said:
Wow!

I am very impressed by your self discipline.

But I have to ask, is that sustainable?

I really don't want to rain on your parade, because you are obviously going for this with enthusiasm, but my experience has been that skipping breakfast just makes my blood glucose rise steadily all morning, as my liver dumps glucose to compensate for the lack of breakfast.

I can stop that happening with a very small low carb snack, like a babybel, or teasp of peanut butter. Doesn't have to be a huge breakfast.

Do you have a meter? I'm not saying that your body will react the same as mine, but it might be worth checking it out...

What @Brunneria said. Doesn't sound enough to me

TPO · Mar 17, 2015

Brunneria said:
Hi,

I don't think that dawn phenomenon is a bad thing. It's perfectly natural for the body to get ready for the day. But in some diabetics (like me!), it can get a bit out of wack.

So don't worry about it. I only mentioned it because my DP means that skipping breakfast is a bad idea.
Other people have no problem at all. Hopefully you are one of them.

Regarding your test meter, if you haven't used it for a while, I should check the battery, and the date on your test strips. I think they get less accurate if they are out of date.

You may find this thread interesting.
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/thr...our-fasting-blood-glucose-in-a-morning.23574/
It will give you an idea of what other people experience.

I tested last night and my BG was 4.3. When I woke up this morning, my BG was 4.4.

TPO · Mar 17, 2015

pavlovsdog said:
What @Brunneria said. Doesn't sound enough to me

Not enough carbs? Not enough calories? Not enough food?

I'm very interested on feedback as I'm trying to lose weight.

Brunneria · Mar 17, 2015

TPO said:
I tested last night and my BG was 4.3. When I woke up this morning, my BG was 4.4.

That's brilliant then.

You didn't get DP this morning.

Might be worth testing again on random days, but its looking good.

Brunneria · Mar 17, 2015

TPO said:
Not enough carbs? Not enough calories? Not enough food?

I'm very interested on feedback as I'm trying to lose weight.

Well, I am aiming to be very low carb, so I'm never going to encourage people to add in carbs (always good to admit a bias, I think, eh? )

Are you aiming for Low Carb too? I kind of assume you are, because this is a low carb thread, but we've had a few people arrive who didn't realise that.

I think low carb and ketogenic diets need to be very personal things, because people's tolerance for grains, meat, dairy, soya, even veg, vary so much.

But if you have a look at the www.bloodsugar.101.com website, you will find there is a nutritional calculator, in the food/diet section.
It is great, because you can enter your starting weight, your carb intake, and it will calculate the number of fat and protein and calories you need to either lose weight or remain stable.

I found it fascinating. My only criticism is that some people with hormone problems/issues may need to adjust things.

From there, you can tweak things to suit you personally.

Hope that helps.

Susikav · Mar 17, 2015

It is www.bloodsugar101.com.... one extra dot there @Brunneria m'dear... What a wonderful site... thank you so much for that... 20 minutes in and I'm already almost not blaming myself for my T2, even though I've never been overweight or a lover of sweet things... it seems it is the T2 that causes the weight, not the other way round.... perfect... Brilliant... We are all still responsible for our health and wellbeing of course, which means trying to keep the weight down a bit... Sorry...

Brunneria · Mar 17, 2015

Susikav said:
It is www.bloodsugar101.com.... one extra dot there @Brunneria m'dear... What a wonderful site... thank you so much for that... 20 minutes in and I'm already almost not blaming myself for my T2, even though I've never been overweight or a lover of sweet things... it seems it is the T2 that causes the weight, not the other way round.... perfect... Brilliant...

greendress · Mar 17, 2015

The only issue I have with the blood sugar 101 site is it's giving low calorie guidelines for someone on a low carb diet. I wouldn't really advise anyone to try and eat 1200 calories a day regularly anyway even if going low cal - but the lower carb you eat the more calories you can have. Telling someone eating under 20g carb to also eat under 1300 cals is nuts.

I lose weight eating about 2000 calories a day (well, between 1400 and 2000 in practice). This is when I'm consistently eating less than 30 carbs a day - any days off or carby meals will likely stall me for that week. Maybe the site's figures are factoring in cheat days, I don't know...

I think I read that Trudy Deakin ears about 80 percent fat and 2600 cals a day at maintenance. That sounds about right to me. I also find that my VLC diet is the only thing to have helped my metabolism after I messed it up trying 400-800 calorie shake diets etc. the trouble with those, though they work quickly, is that they leave your body expecting to survive on a tiny calorie intake. Then when you go back to regular eating your body seems to go into permanent storage mode as if it's waiting for the next famine - my experience anyway.

What sells low carb for me is that it allows you to eat really well and still lose weight. (Plus the energy, lack of brain fog, no night sweats and no hypos) I just wish we had more 'convenience' options!

HA3 · Mar 17, 2015

greendress said:
The only issue I have with the blood sugar 101 site is it's giving low calorie guidelines for someone on a low carb diet. I wouldn't really advise anyone to try and eat 1200 calories a day regularly anyway even if going low cal - but the lower carb you eat the more calories you can have. Telling someone eating under 20g carb to also eat under 1300 cals is nuts.

I lose weight eating about 2000 calories a day (well, between 1400 and 2000 in practice). This is when I'm consistently eating less than 30 carbs a day - any days off or carby meals will likely stall me for that week. Maybe the site's figures are factoring in cheat days, I don't know...

I think I read that Trudy Deakin ears about 80 percent fat and 2600 cals a day at maintenance. That sounds about right to me. I also find that my VLC diet is the only thing to have helped my metabolism after I messed it up trying 400-800 calorie shake diets etc. the trouble with those, though they work quickly, is that they leave your body expecting to survive on a tiny calorie intake. Then when you go back to regular eating your body seems to go into permanent storage mode as if it's waiting for the next famine - my experience anyway.

What sells low carb for me is that it allows you to eat really well and still lose weight. (Plus the energy, lack of brain fog, no night sweats and no hypos) I just wish we had more 'convenience' options!

Second that on convenience options @greendress. travelling for work 3 out of 5 days in the coming week or so by train and already know there will be nothing low carb I can buy on the train and v. limited at train stations

Brunneria · Mar 17, 2015

greendress said:
The only issue I have with the blood sugar 101 site is it's giving low calorie guidelines for someone on a low carb diet. I wouldn't really advise anyone to try and eat 1200 calories a day regularly anyway even if going low cal - but the lower carb you eat the more calories you can have. Telling someone eating under 20g carb to also eat under 1300 cals is nuts.

I lose weight eating about 2000 calories a day (well, between 1400 and 2000 in practice). This is when I'm consistently eating less than 30 carbs a day - any days off or carby meals will likely stall me for that week. Maybe the site's figures are factoring in cheat days, I don't know...

I think I read that Trudy Deakin ears about 80 percent fat and 2600 cals a day at maintenance. That sounds about right to me. I also find that my VLC diet is the only thing to have helped my metabolism after I messed it up trying 400-800 calorie shake diets etc. the trouble with those, though they work quickly, is that they leave your body expecting to survive on a tiny calorie intake. Then when you go back to regular eating your body seems to go into permanent storage mode as if it's waiting for the next famine - my experience anyway.

What sells low carb for me is that it allows you to eat really well and still lose weight. (Plus the energy, lack of brain fog, no night sweats and no hypos) I just wish we had more 'convenience' options!

Yes.
Total agreement.

That's why I mentioned the hormone stuff. Because if you have something like PCOS or menopause going on, the usual rules don't always apply... (I am sure men have similar interferences too...)

There are people on here who find that calorie counting works very well for them, but calories have always been the road to diet-implosion for me. I find it is ALL about the carbs.

pms543 · Mar 17, 2015

thanks greendress, think this iswhereI was lacking understanding plus trying to get the figures right to set myfitnesspal goals...

greendress · Mar 17, 2015

Yes totally. I also have the joys of PCOS. Hormones are a pain!

Low cal def works for some but I do think trying to low carb and low cal can be a bit dangerous for many of us. We're all different though, what works for one won't work for others.

greendress · Mar 17, 2015

pms543 said:
thanks greendress, think this iswhereI was lacking understanding plus trying to get the figures right to set myfitnesspal goals...

I aim for around 65-70 percent fat, 20-25 percent protein and 5-7 percent carb.

pms543 · Mar 17, 2015

think am getting me carbs in a twist lol

If I put in 2000 cals a day ( need to lose weight at around 1 / 2lbs a week ), and then using your calculations as above, it changes the grams a day...to 25g Carb, 150g Protein and 144g fat...is that sounding right?

greendress · Mar 17, 2015

Here are my stats for today's current plan - they'll likely shift around a bit based on what I feel like later. My main emphasis is eating less than 30g carb. After that I don't worry too hard about the protein/fat balance, sometimes fat percentage is closer to 80, sometimes closer to 60. My protein figure will just be whatever's left over!

Sable_Jan · Mar 17, 2015

Susikav said:
Apparently you test before the first bite? Then two hours later.. Ahhh, what Brunneria said...

That's what I do. I'd say if anyone is a slow eater to test again at 2 1/2 hours then maybe again at 3 to get an idea of when the blood sugars generally peak....once that is established do the pre test as usual and the post at the peak time

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