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Yup. Wheat is a creation of the Devil! :jimlad:

Identical dinners, on two consecutive nights.
Tested at 1 hr, to catch the peak.
Only difference is 10 carb g in
pikelet and butter (BG rise of 3.1)
and potato salad (BG rise of 1.1)

I'll stick to wheat free, and arrange some tests on other grains in a day or two.

Meanwhile chocolate (10g choc carbs = a rise of less than 1) is BACK ON THE MENU !!!
 
B 2 egg omelette
L same as yesterday, loving these pork things, nice n hot, not much too look at ImageUploadedByDCUK Forum1415823970.884278.jpg
Coyo
D big bowl of salad with cheese, boiled egg and couldn't resist a mini Melton Mowbray pork pie
Nut ball
 
B: porridge made with skimmed milk and a swirl of cream
L: Leek and potato soup
D: Pork belly with Mediterranean veg. Raspberries and Greek yoghurt
 
Avocado Sevenfold said:
I had to google "pikelet*

I thought it was a wee fish :oops:
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I had never heard of them, either. I think they are a local name for mini crumpets. Or holey drop scones...

Anyone know where the 'local' bit is?

They are very nice. Toasted. With butter. ;)
 
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douglas99 said:
potato salad = resistant carbs.
For a fair comparison, try them freshly cooked, and still hot.
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Bread = resistant carbs.
Especially if it was frozen.
And my poor abused wee pikelet was cooked, cooled, frozen, defrosted, toasted and then eaten...

:(
 
Brunneria said:
:bigtears::bigtears::bigtears:

Phase 2 of diabetes miracle is not going well.

I'm following the instructions to a T.
And my BG is annoyingly high.
Last night I had a great supper of mince stir fried with runner beans and mange touts, followed by 1 (10g carbs) pikelet thing. Toasted with butter and marmite.
YUM!
9.2 at 1 hr and 7.8 at 2 hours.
Bear in mind that for the whole of phase 1 I didn't rise above 7 at any time.
And I've only added an extra 5g carbs per meal

Not happy!

Today, I had a fasting BG of 8.5!!! (Usually around 6.5)

So today, I embarked on a series of investigations.
Breakfast, 10 g of wheat carbs = over 9 at 2 hrs
Elevenses, 10g of 70% choc = rise of less than 1
Lunch, 10 g wheat carbs = rise of 2.7
Snack 9bar = rise of 0.2

My lowest reading has been 6.1
Haven't seen a 5 since Sunday when I had my first 10g carb meal.

So, I think the main problem is the wheat. Will have to test other grains too. Seem to have MUCH better tolerance for carbs as choc, nuts and seeds, berries and similar.

This evening will be 10g potato carbs. Will report back.
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Those carbs are fatty carbs so it would make sense they impact less on your BG. I think wheat and starch foods are basically like eating pure sugar to us carb sensitive types.

Love your experiments. Xxxx
 
Breakfast bacon poached egg mushrooms
Lunch deli soup and slice of turkey
Dinner slow cooked lamb in gravy with green beans , few carrots , asparagus, broccoli and one cheesy potato croquette.
Snacks 3 sq dark chocolate, 1/2 apple and 1/2 0z cheese soya latte

Hungry day today . Soup bumped me up to 6 with the latte and 2 sq chocolate. 4.6 pre dinner - couldn't test till 4 hrs and back to 4.6.
 
B.chicken drumstick and 400 mls alpro coconut milk.
Dinner / lunch
Chicken drumstick green salad one tomato and a good dollop of mayo full fat of course ...
Snack 200 mls coconut milk.
One bullet proof coffee.
 
Brunneria said:
:bigtears::bigtears::bigtears:

Phase 2 of diabetes miracle is not going well.

I'm following the instructions to a T.
And my BG is annoyingly high.
Last night I had a great supper of mince stir fried with runner beans and mange touts, followed by 1 (10g carbs) pikelet thing. Toasted with butter and marmite.
YUM!
9.2 at 1 hr and 7.8 at 2 hours.
Bear in mind that for the whole of phase 1 I didn't rise above 7 at any time.
And I've only added an extra 5g carbs per meal

Not happy!

Today, I had a fasting BG of 8.5!!! (Usually around 6.5)

So today, I embarked on a series of investigations.
Breakfast, 10 g of wheat carbs = over 9 at 2 hrs
Elevenses, 10g of 70% choc = rise of less than 1
Lunch, 10 g wheat carbs = rise of 2.7
Snack 9bar = rise of 0.2

My lowest reading has been 6.1
Haven't seen a 5 since Sunday when I had my first 10g carb meal.

So, I think the main problem is the wheat. Will have to test other grains too. Seem to have MUCH better tolerance for carbs as choc, nuts and seeds, berries and similar.

This evening will be 10g potato carbs. Will report back.
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@Brunneria

Maybe your body reacted to it that way because you haven't taken carbs for a long time?:) I noticed if I go extremely low carb for a day then eat a piece of fruit the next day, I'll see a big jump then the next day of having moderate carbs it won't be that big of a leap. If that makes sense? X

Adelle
 
Adelle0607 said:
@Brunneria

Maybe your body reacted to it that way because you haven't taken carbs for a long time?:) I noticed if I go extremely low carb for a day then eat a piece of fruit the next day, I'll see a big jump then the next day of having moderate carbs it won't be that big of a leap. If that makes sense? X

Adelle
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Yes, I think that may be a factor. @AndBreathe called it enzyme lag. Because it's actually the body getting out of the habit of producing the enzymes needed to cope with the carbs.

Last time we went on hol I experienced it, and noticed it took about 5 days to start improving.

I think what has surprised me is the dramatic difference between the wheat and anything else. I was expecting the lag, but Diane Cress specifically says that BG should remain within the target zone on phase 2. Mine doesn't when I eat wheat. And she's been right with everything else. So I think it is a peculiarity of me. Or wheat. I suppose I need to check out gluten v non gluten foods too.
 
I think I'd be the same. I'm def more sensitive to carbs now. I think that's why I failed the glucose test at hospital but had ok ha1c results :(

Doc is still convinced I'm t2 but I still think I'm borderline.

I'm seriously considering asking for metformin....may as well conserve whatever insulin I have left...
 
Brunneria said:
Yes, I think that may be a factor. @AndBreathe called it enzyme lag. Because it's actually the body getting out of the habit of producing the enzymes needed to cope with the carbs.

Last time we went on hol I experienced it, and noticed it took about 5 days to start improving.

I think what has surprised me is the dramatic difference between the wheat and anything else. I was expecting the lag, but Diane Cress specifically says that BG should remain within the target zone on phase 2. Mine doesn't when I eat wheat. And she's been right with everything else. So I think it is a peculiarity of me. Or wheat. I suppose I need to check out gluten v non gluten foods too.
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@Brunneria , maybe a wheat intolerance of some sort (?) yes better check out gluten too x
 
Debmcgee said:
I think I'd be the same. I'm def more sensitive to carbs now. I think that's why I failed the glucose test at hospital but had ok ha1c results :(

Doc is still convinced I'm t2 but I still think I'm borderline.

I'm seriously considering asking for metformin....may as well conserve whatever insulin I have left...
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@Debmcgee let us know how it goes w the metformin should your doc prescribe it xx
Adelle
 
Avocado Sevenfold said:
You're a rascal!!

After extensive research, I now realise that a pikelet is a dropped scone :bookworm: Do you make them yourself @Brunneria
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I ought to!
And I bet they wouldn't have such a bad effect.

But no, we just went into Tescos and looked for carby things that would provide approx 10g carbs per (small) portion.

My research continues...

Today, no wheat.
Fasting was 6.8 - pleased with that after last few days!
Morning choc snack and afternoon 9bar barely registered.
BG hit 7.6 one hour after potato salad, cold chicken and a coyo at lunch (rise of 1.3), so delighted.

But I've felt dreadful.
It's been building all week.
A bit less restful sleep, a bit more achy (which I recognise from my high insulin resistance in the past), less mental clarity. That hint of a hangover feeling in the mornings, with slightly red rimmed eyes. Slightly stiff knees. The depression is starting to loom too, like a black cloud on the horizon. Like tears are always there, behind my eyes.
A bit worse each day, and ending the wheat yesterday has not stopped the decline.

Going to have a think about the way forward.

I've always had monumental insulin resistance - overweight, with PCOS, and on medication that increases it even more, but I had forgotten how horrible this is. And how debilitating.
And I don't want to lose my lovely three day weekend to feeling this cr*p.

Contemplating a few days back on stage 1 until I bounce back to wellness.
(That actually makes me feel a strong sense of relief!)
Then a much more systematic phase 2 re-entry.
No wheat. One carb at a time, in 10 g portions, until I can identify their effect, and my tolerance.

Ah well, a useful lesson.
And a very effective reminder of how dreadful I used to feel, all the time. Except in those days I thought it was normal!
 
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