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What is evidence?

"Surely if they had the will, DUK could send out a survey leaflet in Balance, & publish the results."

Why waste money on a so called survey that would be, apart from lacking verifiable 'evidence', be skewed from the outset. More diabetics don't subscribe than do so. A longnitudinal study might provide something useful. However, and in any event, there are many diabetics out there who would not follow any form of low carb or carb restricting diet.

I had a uncle who died last year that managed his diabetes for 58 years without complications of any sort. He smoked full strength cigs, had the odd drink and was careful with the quantity of food he consumed whist wholly avoiding anything obviously sweet. Neither for much of that time did he have the benefits that accrue to T1s from reasonably accurate blood glucose monitoring. He died a diabetic but from lung cancer.

I restrict my carbohydrate intake by portion control. I have very good HbA1cs below 6. But I would not follow the type of restricted died proposed by some who contribute here. I prefer my own balance and am not afraid of what the future holds. I fully expect to die with both feet on when the bullet that has my number arrives.

Equally, however, many friends achieve control by the use of Insulin and enjoy the carbohydrates that they consume. I also know quite a number of T2s who, pardon the expression, don't give a ****** and carry on regardless, preferring their own view of quality of life.

That apart, not being a creationist of any sort, did we not all believe until fairly recent times that the cute little chimpanzees were wholly vegetarian.

It might also be worth noting that this site is probably probably visited by diabetics who want to have some control - with or without medication. How many diabetics in the UK? How many UK resident members of this forum?

Allah be with you.
 
[quote="IanDIan,
I am reminded of a remark made by something we all will meet one day, Death.
(Terry Pratchett. Hogfather.) :)
Does that mean we should not care about life before death?


MERE ACCUMULATION OF OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE IS NOT PROOF.

I don't know what you are trying to say, Cugila. The rejection of observational evidence may not be "proof" but it amounts to dishonesty & does affect our quality of life.

DUK are rejecting as invalid the testimony of those who challenge their high carb advice. Their refusal to examine their advice which, on their own admission, results in the progression of the disease, is SCANDALOUS.



Ian.
I find it strange that you don't understand my post. It seems quite straightforward to me. Then again I have a strange sense of humour some say ..... :( Still no matter.

My post was not meant to be dark and profound just an anecdote, with a point, that's all. We can be too serious at times. However, where have I stated that we should not care about life before Death ? Read some of my posts Ian, you will see I personally care very much about life, I also have a sense of humour !

I do agree that DUK needs to look at things differently. I personally have stated my views here and to DUK/NHS etc, anybody who might listen. My view is that the advice needs changing, they need to give better advice regarding carbs, change the view that Diabetic's don't need to change their diet. WE all know that is not the case ! However I disagree that it should all be about low carbing, we just need more variety in what dietary advice is recommended, GI/GL/reducing carbs/Med diet/South Beach anything really.

I could tell them whatever I want to try and prove my point. It could all be lies. I know that you personally are a god fearing man and I trust your integrity and character, however there are others who just want things changed for their own ends.

THAT is why it has to be proven evidence not anecdotes from low carbers, low GI/GL, survey's, polls etc. Just so much paper, nothing gained ! Scientific evidence which backs up the anecdotal evidence is what is needed. I would put my hand in my pocket for some proper trials to be funded, trials that would have some effect - more so than indignant phone calls and letters to DUK. I am sure the staff there just 'love' those ? :D If I worked there I think my response would be to put the phone on hold....bin the letters, give me some hard facts. That's what I would want to hear.
Ally and Catherine are both right in what they say too.

We are all on the same side, aren't we ? Wanting to make things better for all Diabetic's. I don't see why, because somebody has a different viewpoint about it all means they don't care or are insensitive. Smacks of the old low carb/high carb debate to me. Well this forum is way past that, it is history. We are more open, more frank with each other, but we respect other views now. Even though we might not totally agree with them ! :wink:
 
ken - you are right it is falling into the same pattern. Problem is the medics want hard evidence and there is very littl.

I am going out soon so hope you all have a good new year - and a healthy one

Love allyxx
 
Hi Ally.
Same to you my dear ! Hope you and yours have a great New Year and that 2010 brings you all you ask for.

Ken. x
 
thank you - i am sure it has to be better than the last few - I am off for dinner and few glasses with my luvly man - and no we are not camping!
 
ally5555 said:
thank you - i am sure it has to be better than the last few - I am off for dinner and few glasses with my luvly man - and no we are not camping!

So glad to hear the Camping has gone.....hypothermia springs to mind. Enjoy Ally, see you next year.

Ken. x
 
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