yetta2mymom
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HiTrue, but you don't seem to be that good at listening to the answers.
And I'm the mother of someone who studied and passed his FA coaching badges at age 16 and who taught football at youth level. I'm quite good at washing muddy kit and finding footballs in hedges. (there's lots of those around here)Oh, I don't know!
Maybe it was the thirteen or so threads asking the question about your metabolism and the theory you have about your genes!
If you started at Epsilon, you have missed alpha, beta, gamma and delta!
So what has been your major?
Mine is football, (not American) you know soccer.
I studied and passed my coaching badges and teach football at youth level.
I also watched star trek!
HiOh, I don't know!
Maybe it was the thirteen or so threads asking the question about your metabolism and the theory you have about your genes!
If you started at Epsilon, you have missed alpha, beta, gamma and delta!
So what has been your major?
Mine is football, (not American) you know soccer.
I studied and passed my coaching badges and teach football at youth level.
I also watched star trek!
And I'm the mother of someone who studied and passed his FA coaching badges at age 16 and who taught football at youth level. I'm quite good at washing muddy kit and finding footballs in hedges. (there's lots of those around here)
HiDoes Gloucestershire mean empty green place full of trees?
You certainly need a good bunch of parents and be a pack horse to do coaching these days!
Hi
The people I know with late reactive hypoglycemia have the "hunter" gene like me. Does your glucose tolerance test resemble mine? Do you have the fatigue symptom if you eat any significant sugar/starch? I will finally look at your sites. My gtt (70, 1/2 hr 130, 1 hr 175, 2 hr 185, extended 3 hr 100 about 1/2 hr later I had a very mild shaking episode (almost always somehow related to low blood sugar).
My first two oral glucose tests, resembled yours.
As follows, I may be a point or two out. It is in mmols.
Pre glucose 5.2
30mins. 10.4
60. 12.7
90. 11.2
120. 9.7
150. 7.4
180. 7.2
210. 4.8
240 2.7
Test stopped.
They gave me glucose to treat the hypo. It rose to over 11.5 within half an hour.
After another three hours it was back in normal range and after a phone call to my endocrinologist, he advised no more carbs till my bloods settled and stopped bouncing up and down. I was in the hospital for over nine hours for a four hour test!
I learnt a valuable lesson that day, not to treat a hypo like a diabetic would.
I have come across some stubborn people about the best way I should treat a hypo.
Especially in the medical industry.
Haven't had a hypo for about two years now. It was my last OGTT!
My control is really good and in permanent ketosis.
Do read the threads, you never know, something in there might help you.
I have already advised you that you and me have a similar condition. If you left out the genetics, I could have probably wrote the article about myself.
I can fast for more than four days without hunger pains and I do feel healthier and really clear headed, I eat a very low carb diet, mainly protein as in fresh meat and salad vegetables. With nuts, Greek full fat yoghurt, little bits of fruit, other small pieces of foods but very low in carbs. If I eat its only a few bites. I eat regularly throughout the day every two to three hours.
I have enough calories to carry me through work.
It's interesting that through my battle to get diagnosed, I gradually put on weight due to hyperinsulinaemia (high insulin levels in my blood) and insulin resistance. The high insulin levels turned to fat because it was the only thing it could do. I never lost weight on all the recommended diets that doctors nurses and dieticians advised me too. I have been told by a locum, that I would die if I didn't follow a carby, low fat diet.
When I think back, I would love to meet him again because he thought I was not telling the truth.
My insulin imbalance is due to not switching off after the initial insulin phase, that uses my glucose up too much hence the symptoms.
I have often referred to the condition as mimicking T2. Especially the intolerance to many groups of foods and insulin resistance and I do use a diabetic drug that helps lower the initial spike. It actually works by making more insulin in the first phase. Then because of the glucagon/glycogen phase it turns off the high glucose response and insulin overshoot.
The drug is called sitagliptin, it is a dpp4 inhibitor. It doesn't stop the hypos but it helps with control as an insurance, if you like.
I have seen a video that is based on inhibitors helping RH ers control their condition. It was made in Texas, I think, and I believe it is somewhere in the RH forum.
Even my endocrinologist has no idea why it developed in me. He says it is very rare especially in men, your theory on pregnancy, he is now involved in trying to find out why, insulin acts differently in pregnancy, with his work in RH and diabetic endocrinology he is really knowledgeable and has really saved my life.
I have now got past the Why Me? Stage and because of my working life, I now plan everything and have a new life, despite the condition, I am fit and really healthy for my age.
The reason I doubt the gene theory is because, I can almost be certain that I never developed RH till my late forties, early fifties. And unless my genes transformed during that era of my life. Why would it change during probably menopause or andropause?
I do hope you read through as your experience on the medical side of your posts is pretty good.
HiDear Yetta,
I agree with you on the economics but consider the economy more sociological manipulation than scientific truth.
Dear Yetta,
I agree with you on the economics but consider the economy more sociological manipulation than scientific truth.
HiI have already advised you that you and me have a similar condition. If you left out the genetics, I could have probably wrote the article about myself.
I can fast for more than four days without hunger pains and I do feel healthier and really clear headed, I eat a very low carb diet, mainly protein as in fresh meat and salad vegetables. With nuts, Greek full fat yoghurt, little bits of fruit, other small pieces of foods but very low in carbs. If I eat its only a few bites. I eat regularly throughout the day every two to three hours.
I have enough calories to carry me through work.
It's interesting that through my battle to get diagnosed, I gradually put on weight due to hyperinsulinaemia (high insulin levels in my blood) and insulin resistance. The high insulin levels turned to fat because it was the only thing it could do. I never lost weight on all the recommended diets that doctors nurses and dieticians advised me too. I have been told by a locum, that I would die if I didn't follow a carby, low fat diet.
When I think back, I would love to meet him again because he thought I was not telling the truth.
My insulin imbalance is due to not switching off after the initial insulin phase, that uses my glucose up too much hence the symptoms.
I have often referred to the condition as mimicking T2. Especially the intolerance to many groups of foods and insulin resistance and I do use a diabetic drug that helps lower the initial spike. It actually works by making more insulin in the first phase. Then because of the glucagon/glycogen phase it turns off the high glucose response and insulin overshoot.
The drug is called sitagliptin, it is a dpp4 inhibitor. It doesn't stop the hypos but it helps with control as an insurance, if you like.
I have seen a video that is based on inhibitors helping RH ers control their condition. It was made in Texas, I think, and I believe it is somewhere in the RH forum.
Even my endocrinologist has no idea why it developed in me. He says it is very rare especially in men, your theory on pregnancy, he is now involved in trying to find out why, insulin acts differently in pregnancy, with his work in RH and diabetic endocrinology he is really knowledgeable and has really saved my life.
I have now got past the Why Me? Stage and because of my working life, I now plan everything and have a new life, despite the condition, I am fit and really healthy for my age.
The reason I doubt the gene theory is because, I can almost be certain that I never developed RH till my late forties, early fifties. And unless my genes transformed during that era of my life. Why would it change during probably menopause or andropause?
I do hope you read through as your experience on the medical side of your posts is pretty good.
I'll add my bit. Various studies have shown that Asian Indians appear predisposed to Type 2, genetically, they also tend to gain weight around the middle, also their babies tend to be very small, which seems also to predispose them to diabetes in later life.
As for the 'hunter' gene-whatever is that!!! Maybe your doctor used it to give you an explanation of your symptoms.
Hi
I am fat and when I ate a lot of sugar I got fatigue and high blood pressure. I am now removing the blood pressure pills as I surmise it was the insulin which was at fault. .
I hope you are getting advice from your GP about this. I was on 4 different BP tablets at one time. I made the decision myself which one I would like to stop taking and asked my GP if this was OK, until after a couple of years I was off medication altogether.
Good post! Good summerisation!I am really confused by this thread. The OP claim to be a scientist but relies on testing done to him in 40 years ago. He claims to be in touch with leading experts and medical journals, but neither him or they are doing extensive testing on him (which a scientist would do). So that leads me to believe there is nothing 'abnormal' about you or you would be doing a whole slew of testing all the time.
He claims to not lose weight on the Atkins diet, but a simple google search will bring up a ton of people who do not continue to lose weight after the first little bit and is one of the reasons people stop doing the diet....oh, wait, that is a common complaint for *MOST* diets.
*Most* diabetics feel tired when they have high sugars.
The 'hunter gene' or 'thrifty gene' is constantly thrown out in science because it does not meet up with reality. Every way to make it make sense doesn't hold up. You are relying on bunk science.
When I was a kid, I was often tested for diabetes. In my teens, I became aware of a sensitivity to sugar (probably had what another poster keeps trying to tell you....hypoglycaemia). I have been pregnant three times and was considered diabetic during those pregnancies. I have descendants who are Aboriginals from North America (Sioux). When my sugars are tested at a lab or even here at home, my sugars will raise considerably fast when I take in a lot of carbs and continue to rise for about 4 hours and then drop down to normal values quite suddenly.... I am just diabetic, dude.
The origins of sugar diseases are interesting to study and debate, but the reality is: you have one. And not this uncommon one you think you do. Plain and simple.
I am really confused by this thread. The OP claim to be a scientist but relies on testing done to him in 40 years ago. He claims to be in touch with leading experts and medical journals, but neither him or they are doing extensive testing on him (which a scientist would do). So that leads me to believe there is nothing 'abnormal' about you or you would be doing a whole slew of testing all the time.
He claims to not lose weight on the Atkins diet, but a simple google search will bring up a ton of people who do not continue to lose weight after the first little bit and is one of the reasons people stop doing the diet....oh, wait, that is a common complaint for *MOST* diets.
*Most* diabetics feel tired when they have high sugars.
The 'hunter gene' or 'thrifty gene' is constantly thrown out in science because it does not meet up with reality. Every way to make it make sense doesn't hold up. You are relying on bunk science.
When I was a kid, I was often tested for diabetes. In my teens, I became aware of a sensitivity to sugar (probably had what another poster keeps trying to tell you....hypoglycaemia). I have been pregnant three times and was considered diabetic during those pregnancies. I have descendants who are Aboriginals from North America (Sioux). When my sugars are tested at a lab or even here at home, my sugars will raise considerably fast when I take in a lot of carbs and continue to rise for about 4 hours and then drop down to normal values quite suddenly.... I am just diabetic, dude.
The origins of sugar diseases are interesting to study and debate, but the reality is: you have one. And not this uncommon one you think you do. Plain and simple.
HiI am really confused by this thread. The OP claim to be a scientist but relies on testing done to him in 40 years ago. He claims to be in touch with leading experts and medical journals, but neither him or they are doing extensive testing on him (which a scientist would do). So that leads me to believe there is nothing 'abnormal' about you or you would be doing a whole slew of testing all the time.
He claims to not lose weight on the Atkins diet, but a simple google search will bring up a ton of people who do not continue to lose weight after the first little bit and is one of the reasons people stop doing the diet....oh, wait, that is a common complaint for *MOST* diets.
*Most* diabetics feel tired when they have high sugars.
The 'hunter gene' or 'thrifty gene' is constantly thrown out in science because it does not meet up with reality. Every way to make it make sense doesn't hold up. You are relying on bunk science.
When I was a kid, I was often tested for diabetes. In my teens, I became aware of a sensitivity to sugar (probably had what another poster keeps trying to tell you....hypoglycaemia). I have been pregnant three times and was considered diabetic during those pregnancies. I have descendants who are Aboriginals from North America (Sioux). When my sugars are tested at a lab or even here at home, my sugars will raise considerably fast when I take in a lot of carbs and continue to rise for about 4 hours and then drop down to normal values quite suddenly.... I am just diabetic, dude.
The origins of sugar diseases are interesting to study and debate, but the reality is: you have one. And not this uncommon one you think you do. Plain and simple.
Hi
The "hunter" gene is their problem. Their glucose tolerance test rises for over 2 hrs (less steep near the end). I have figured out with high probability that what is happening is that they are simulating a type 2 diabetic and only when their blood sugar rises enough does their body (if not pregnant, how?) overcomes or stops the insulin resistance and signals the pancreas to do its job and the blood sugar heads rapidly (as such things go) south. This method of processing sugar is much more efficient (don't form fat and then change fat into sugar) then the normal way of processing sugar. What may be strange is their fasting blood sugar and their A1c are normally fine. If you read this thread you will see I theorize that the "hunter" gene method of processing sugar was the original, It had the problems you mentioned when we became farmers. I think I come from a long line of "hunter" gene + farmers. I can lose weight and not rebound and I do not become diabetic. I guess this is one possible way genetics has changed over time. I am fat and when I ate a lot of sugar I got fatigue and high blood pressure. I am now removing the blood pressure pills as I surmise it was the insulin which was at fault. Not your fat deposits etc... for me.
Hi
Please find me anyone who is diabetic and has delayed reactive hypoglycemia. What happened to me in 1957? It sure had all the symptoms of an autoimmune reaction.
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