What is the expected blood sugar reading if a diabetic uses a severe Atkins diet?

[yetta2mymom]

True, but you don't seem to be that good at listening to the answers.

Hi
Some people indicate I am a genius. They are somewhat wrong. What I have is a great amount of stick to it and an ability to think about a subject until I die. My brain, sometimes with a very long time delay, finds correlations among facts that others do not. I can, of course suffer from mistakes when in doing its thing my brain leaves out facts.

 

[zand]

Oh, I don't know!
Maybe it was the thirteen or so threads asking the question about your metabolism and the theory you have about your genes!

If you started at Epsilon, you have missed alpha, beta, gamma and delta!

So what has been your major?

Mine is football, (not American) you know soccer.
I studied and passed my coaching badges and teach football at youth level.
I also watched star trek!

And I'm the mother of someone who studied and passed his FA coaching badges at age 16 and who taught football at youth level. I'm quite good at washing muddy kit and finding footballs in hedges. (there's lots of those around here)

 

[yetta2mymom]

Oh, I don't know!
Maybe it was the thirteen or so threads asking the question about your metabolism and the theory you have about your genes!

If you started at Epsilon, you have missed alpha, beta, gamma and delta!

So what has been your major?

Mine is football, (not American) you know soccer.
I studied and passed my coaching badges and teach football at youth level.
I also watched star trek!

Hi

I was heading towards theoretical physics when my sugar problem raised its head. I now help scientists by solving math problems, simulating things, doing occasional signal analysis. My hobby is understanding macro economics. Since the present type of economy has no obvious historical analog that is very interesting.
Sorry, my sports ability was never developed and now I am old. Like everyone my age I have problems . I am missing a ligament ,knee, normal sports injury before all the replacement surgeries. I was advised many years ago that at my age the recovery time from ligament replacement was too long to be worth it. I have avoided problems for so many years that maybe my body has done something on its own. I do use a weight bench regularly.

 

[Lamont D]

And I'm the mother of someone who studied and passed his FA coaching badges at age 16 and who taught football at youth level. I'm quite good at washing muddy kit and finding footballs in hedges. (there's lots of those around here)

Does Gloucestershire mean empty green place full of trees?

You certainly need a good bunch of parents and be a pack horse to do coaching these days!

 

[yetta2mymom]

Does Gloucestershire mean empty green place full of trees?

You certainly need a good bunch of parents and be a pack horse to do coaching these days!

Hi
The people I know with late reactive hypoglycemia have the "hunter" gene like me. Does your glucose tolerance test resemble mine? Do you have the fatigue symptom if you eat any significant sugar/starch? I will finally look at your sites. My gtt (70, 1/2 hr 130, 1 hr 175, 2 hr 185, extended 3 hr 100 about 1/2 hr later I had a very mild shaking episode (almost always somehow related to low blood sugar). Public Broadcasting System in U.S.

 

[Lamont D]

My first two oral glucose tests, resembled yours.
As follows, I may be a point or two out. It is in mmols.

Pre glucose 5.2
30mins. 10.4
60. 12.7
90. 11.2
120. 9.7
150. 7.4
180. 7.2
210. 4.8
240 2.7
Test stopped.

They gave me glucose to treat the hypo. It rose to over 11.5 within half an hour.
After another three hours it was back in normal range and after a phone call to my endocrinologist, he advised no more carbs till my bloods settled and stopped bouncing up and down. I was in the hospital for over nine hours for a four hour test!

I learnt a valuable lesson that day, not to treat a hypo like a diabetic would.
I have come across some stubborn people about the best way I should treat a hypo.
Especially in the medical industry.
Haven't had a hypo for about two years now. It was my last OGTT!
My control is really good and in permanent ketosis.
Do read the threads, you never know, something in there might help you.

 

[yetta2mymom]

Hi
The people I know with late reactive hypoglycemia have the "hunter" gene like me. Does your glucose tolerance test resemble mine? Do you have the fatigue symptom if you eat any significant sugar/starch? I will finally look at your sites. My gtt (70, 1/2 hr 130, 1 hr 175, 2 hr 185, extended 3 hr 100 about 1/2 hr later I had a very mild shaking episode (almost always somehow related to low blood sugar).

Here is my purposed article in the Scientific American.

This is an explanation of why I had such disturbing symptoms for about 50 years until I figured out that an Atkins type diet seemed to be relieving my symptoms. It then took approximately an additional 2 years for almost all my symptoms to clear. It then took about 6 years and a lot of serendipity to figure out what was the problem. I am sorry that this explanation is long but I have been told it is complicated. The fact that about ½ the women in the near east have my gene and it leads to all the sugar problems in pregnancy is a side issue that arose in my studies.

I wish to help fund a study that follows the glucose tolerance tests (GTT, see footnotes 1 and 2) of women before, during and after pregnancy.

A major reason for this study is that a doctor on PBS in 2015 drew two graphs of a GTT. GTT’s run for 2 hours. The first GTT went up and then down. He indicated this is the expected GTT. The second GTT slowed its rate of assent but was still rising as he lifted his marker. The second is my GTT (2) taken in 1964. Does anyone know the name of this doctor? He defined such people as having a “hunter” gene. He said people with this GTT did not lose weight on his weight loss diet. Since people with the “hunter” gene should be better able to survive famines there must be a downside to this gene. I guess one downside is that women with this gene have problems controlling their blood sugar during pregnancy.


In my wildest dreams this article would eventually lead to everyone getting a baseline glucose tolerance test (GTT). I strongly suggest you ask your physician to take a GTT to find out if you have the normal GTT or the “hunter” GTT. Another dream is that doctors would publicize that you can get an autoimmune disease if you have the “hunter” gene. If you have the “hunter” gene and become chronically fatigued I suggest you see if cutting back you’re sugar/starch improves how you feel. An even bigger dream is that a severe Atkins type diet would be tried on all type 2 diabetics and it successfully controlled high blood sugar. For some diabetics this may be a better option then the standard treatment. In that case make sure you monitor your blood sugar to see if you have cut your sugar/starch enough. Another dream is that it would be found that people with the “hunter” gene tend to become fat on the modern diet. For me a low fat diet worked if you have the “hunter” gene see if this works for you. As the weight loss doctor said “people with the hunter gene do not lose weight on his weight loss diet”. This would then lead to the following obvious question. Is the hunter gene the reason for the weight problems, when they try the modern diet, with the near eastern population, American Indians, Pacific Islanders etc… ? If so all my advice follows for these people.

I have heard that approximately ½ the people of India are diagnosed as prediabetic (1). This indicates why. I also present a theory about an alternate method of sugar storage used by some human. I have the following question, assume a women has sugar problems during pregnancy. How can you see if her GTT has returned to normal after pregnancy if you don’t know what is her normal GTT? I have the following observation if women with the “hunter” gene are much more susceptible to sugar problems during pregnancy maybe you can explore possible pre pregnancy interventions with these women.

In 1964 a doctor looked at my GTT and said I was prediabetic (1) and was developing insulin resistance. I am fat and have done all the wrong things but I am not a diabetic. The reason for my GTT in 1964 is that I get low blood sugar many hours after eating too much sugar/starch/alcohol (S). I know of 3 other people with the hunter gene who also have this symptom. We also have other symptoms starting with much lower values of S. The symptoms are some degree of brain fog and fatigue. These symptoms are controlled by never letting our blood sugar go above an unknown value.

I theorize that the hunter gene allows people to only store sugar when their blood sugar rises above some value (3). Consider the following. Evolutionary changes are often additions to existing processes. Women with the “hunter” gene have insulin resistance in pregnancy. Insulin is needed to process protein. Look at my glucose tolerance test (2). I am lead to the following weird conclusion. With the “hunter” gene people are normally in a state of insulin resistance. They are usually simulating type 2 diabetes. When their body determines that the blood sugar is heading for dangerous territory. That is, it will affect the general chemistry of the blood, the body cuts insulin resistance and generates insulin so that the excess blood sugar is changed into fat. I have had communications which indicate this is the “thrifty” gene as it probably was originally designed.

I am on a severe Atkins diet. I am simulating a type 2 diabetic almost all the time. I speculate this was true for the hunters from which I arose.

I have reason to believe I had an episode which was an autoimmune reaction (4). I therefore theorize that doctors should be aware that it is possible for people with the hunter gene to have one type cell of their adrenal glands destroyed which compromises the possibly complicated chemistry that allows them to store sugar based on their blood sugar. Doctors should advise people with the reactive hypoglycemia and GTT I have described that they will feel better if they carefully control the S in their diet (5). I only know of 4 people with the autoimmune problem I describe and only one has been diagnosed by doctors. I therefore suggest that doctors make people with the hunter gene aware of this possibility.

My diet is low enough in sugar/starch that with my hunter gene I have turned off the effects of insulin. My evidence is that my blood sugar has risen because I never lower it with insulin (6). Further on occasion I have gained weight on this diet. I comment that years ago I was able to lose about 80 pounds in approximately 1 year on a crash diet of pasta with cottage cheese with enough vegetables for vitamins. I also comment that I am presently losing weight on my severe Atkins type diet by cutting out all hard cheese. Since my meat portions are comparatively small I assume I am losing weight for the standard reason. Further I have no discernible problem with exercise even with my extreme diet with very low sugar/starch. My fasting blood sugar has risen to the highest ever. Have I returned to my hunter roots?

(1) Defined as too high a blood glucose reading 2 hours after ingesting sugar after a fast.

(2) GTT 70, ½ hr 130, 1 hr 175, 2 hr 185, extended 3 hr 100.

(3) I have read that up to 1/3 of the energy in sugar is used up in storing and later releasing the sugar.

(4) During 1957 in approximately 2 months I lost approximately 20-25 pounds developed an overactive bladder and started my fatigue symptom.

(5) I eat an Atkins type diet. Another patient posts he/she feels fine with a diet which includes slowly absorbing starch.

(6) Latest and highest: Fasting blood sugar 99, A1C 5.8.

Hi

My guess, you have the "hunter" gene but a different problem then mine. Since the "hunter" gene probably has major chemistry involved in detecting and acting on blood sugar readings there is many more things that can go wrong then people with the modern method of processing sugar.

My first two oral glucose tests, resembled yours.
As follows, I may be a point or two out. It is in mmols.

Pre glucose 5.2
30mins. 10.4
60. 12.7
90. 11.2
120. 9.7
150. 7.4
180. 7.2
210. 4.8
240 2.7
Test stopped.

They gave me glucose to treat the hypo. It rose to over 11.5 within half an hour.
After another three hours it was back in normal range and after a phone call to my endocrinologist, he advised no more carbs till my bloods settled and stopped bouncing up and down. I was in the hospital for over nine hours for a four hour test!

I learnt a valuable lesson that day, not to treat a hypo like a diabetic would.
I have come across some stubborn people about the best way I should treat a hypo.
Especially in the medical industry.
Haven't had a hypo for about two years now. It was my last OGTT!
My control is really good and in permanent ketosis.
Do read the threads, you never know, something in there might help you.

 

[Lamont D]

I have already advised you that you and me have a similar condition. If you left out the genetics, I could have probably wrote the article about myself.

I can fast for more than four days without hunger pains and I do feel healthier and really clear headed, I eat a very low carb diet, mainly protein as in fresh meat and salad vegetables. With nuts, Greek full fat yoghurt, little bits of fruit, other small pieces of foods but very low in carbs. If I eat its only a few bites. I eat regularly throughout the day every two to three hours.
I have enough calories to carry me through work.

It's interesting that through my battle to get diagnosed, I gradually put on weight due to hyperinsulinaemia (high insulin levels in my blood) and insulin resistance. The high insulin levels turned to fat because it was the only thing it could do. I never lost weight on all the recommended diets that doctors nurses and dieticians advised me too. I have been told by a locum, that I would die if I didn't follow a carby, low fat diet.
When I think back, I would love to meet him again because he thought I was not telling the truth.

My insulin imbalance is due to not switching off after the initial insulin phase, that uses my glucose up too much hence the symptoms.

I have often referred to the condition as mimicking T2. Especially the intolerance to many groups of foods and insulin resistance and I do use a diabetic drug that helps lower the initial spike. It actually works by making more insulin in the first phase. Then because of the glucagon/glycogen phase it turns off the high glucose response and insulin overshoot.
The drug is called sitagliptin, it is a dpp4 inhibitor. It doesn't stop the hypos but it helps with control as an insurance, if you like.
I have seen a video that is based on inhibitors helping RH ers control their condition. It was made in Texas, I think, and I believe it is somewhere in the RH forum.

Even my endocrinologist has no idea why it developed in me. He says it is very rare especially in men, your theory on pregnancy, he is now involved in trying to find out why, insulin acts differently in pregnancy, with his work in RH and diabetic endocrinology he is really knowledgeable and has really saved my life.

I have now got past the Why Me? Stage and because of my working life, I now plan everything and have a new life, despite the condition, I am fit and really healthy for my age.

The reason I doubt the gene theory is because, I can almost be certain that I never developed RH till my late forties, early fifties. And unless my genes transformed during that era of my life. Why would it change during probably menopause or andropause?

I do hope you read through as your experience on the medical side of your posts is pretty good.

 

[yetta2mymom]

I have already advised you that you and me have a similar condition. If you left out the genetics, I could have probably wrote the article about myself.

I can fast for more than four days without hunger pains and I do feel healthier and really clear headed, I eat a very low carb diet, mainly protein as in fresh meat and salad vegetables. With nuts, Greek full fat yoghurt, little bits of fruit, other small pieces of foods but very low in carbs. If I eat its only a few bites. I eat regularly throughout the day every two to three hours.
I have enough calories to carry me through work.

It's interesting that through my battle to get diagnosed, I gradually put on weight due to hyperinsulinaemia (high insulin levels in my blood) and insulin resistance. The high insulin levels turned to fat because it was the only thing it could do. I never lost weight on all the recommended diets that doctors nurses and dieticians advised me too. I have been told by a locum, that I would die if I didn't follow a carby, low fat diet.
When I think back, I would love to meet him again because he thought I was not telling the truth.

My insulin imbalance is due to not switching off after the initial insulin phase, that uses my glucose up too much hence the symptoms.

I have often referred to the condition as mimicking T2. Especially the intolerance to many groups of foods and insulin resistance and I do use a diabetic drug that helps lower the initial spike. It actually works by making more insulin in the first phase. Then because of the glucagon/glycogen phase it turns off the high glucose response and insulin overshoot.
The drug is called sitagliptin, it is a dpp4 inhibitor. It doesn't stop the hypos but it helps with control as an insurance, if you like.
I have seen a video that is based on inhibitors helping RH ers control their condition. It was made in Texas, I think, and I believe it is somewhere in the RH forum.

Even my endocrinologist has no idea why it developed in me. He says it is very rare especially in men, your theory on pregnancy, he is now involved in trying to find out why, insulin acts differently in pregnancy, with his work in RH and diabetic endocrinology he is really knowledgeable and has really saved my life.

I have now got past the Why Me? Stage and because of my working life, I now plan everything and have a new life, despite the condition, I am fit and really healthy for my age.

The reason I doubt the gene theory is because, I can almost be certain that I never developed RH till my late forties, early fifties. And unless my genes transformed during that era of my life. Why would it change during probably menopause or andropause?

I do hope you read through as your experience on the medical side of your posts is pretty good.

Hi

I have rethought. You are possibly a fellow traveller. I knew from my experience that giving me sugar when I was recovering from a low sugar episode was very dangerous. How, I got this intuition I can not really say. The one time a doctor gave me crackers after the one time I passed out I reacted vigorously. His crackers were small enough that I wasn't sure if that would hurt. I got to my genetic answer from the following. A relative got my problem at approximately the same time (virus?). I did not know this until a few years ago. She also had sugar problems during pregnancy and was misdiagnosed as a very bad prediabetic (about 40 years ago). The doctor on PBS explained why some relatives had weight problems and others not. That doctor lead me on my recent chase. The rest is me being me (theories are my fort).

As I remember it I had vage rememberances that my worst symptoms happened when I ate sweets when I was having problems.

 

[yetta2mymom]

Dear Yetta,

I agree with you on the economics but consider the economy more sociological manipulation than scientific truth.

Hi

I think of the present economic system similar to Churchill's comment. It is the worst system except for every other system. When you have so many interacting participants the system approaches a stochastic process. Thus there is some hope in figuring out what is happening. The major problem is that it is not a stable system and almost all econometric models of necessity assume either stability or a defined change over time. My personal way of describing what is happening is comparing things to chaotic
theory with there being several strange attractors. We are in a different quisi equilibrium state than we are used to. I see that other economists like talking about it as historist(can't spell). I think my analog is much better. I hope you have some idea about what I am writing.

 

[dawnmc]

I'll add my bit. Various studies have shown that Asian Indians appear predisposed to Type 2, genetically, they also tend to gain weight around the middle, also their babies tend to be very small, which seems also to predispose them to diabetes in later life.
As for the 'hunter' gene-whatever is that!!! Maybe your doctor used it to give you an explanation of your symptoms.

 

[yetta2mymom]

Dear Yetta,

I agree with you on the economics but consider the economy more sociological manipulation than scientific truth.

I have already advised you that you and me have a similar condition. If you left out the genetics, I could have probably wrote the article about myself.

I can fast for more than four days without hunger pains and I do feel healthier and really clear headed, I eat a very low carb diet, mainly protein as in fresh meat and salad vegetables. With nuts, Greek full fat yoghurt, little bits of fruit, other small pieces of foods but very low in carbs. If I eat its only a few bites. I eat regularly throughout the day every two to three hours.
I have enough calories to carry me through work.

It's interesting that through my battle to get diagnosed, I gradually put on weight due to hyperinsulinaemia (high insulin levels in my blood) and insulin resistance. The high insulin levels turned to fat because it was the only thing it could do. I never lost weight on all the recommended diets that doctors nurses and dieticians advised me too. I have been told by a locum, that I would die if I didn't follow a carby, low fat diet.
When I think back, I would love to meet him again because he thought I was not telling the truth.

My insulin imbalance is due to not switching off after the initial insulin phase, that uses my glucose up too much hence the symptoms.

I have often referred to the condition as mimicking T2. Especially the intolerance to many groups of foods and insulin resistance and I do use a diabetic drug that helps lower the initial spike. It actually works by making more insulin in the first phase. Then because of the glucagon/glycogen phase it turns off the high glucose response and insulin overshoot.
The drug is called sitagliptin, it is a dpp4 inhibitor. It doesn't stop the hypos but it helps with control as an insurance, if you like.
I have seen a video that is based on inhibitors helping RH ers control their condition. It was made in Texas, I think, and I believe it is somewhere in the RH forum.

Even my endocrinologist has no idea why it developed in me. He says it is very rare especially in men, your theory on pregnancy, he is now involved in trying to find out why, insulin acts differently in pregnancy, with his work in RH and diabetic endocrinology he is really knowledgeable and has really saved my life.

I have now got past the Why Me? Stage and because of my working life, I now plan everything and have a new life, despite the condition, I am fit and really healthy for my age.

The reason I doubt the gene theory is because, I can almost be certain that I never developed RH till my late forties, early fifties. And unless my genes transformed during that era of my life. Why would it change during probably menopause or andropause?

I do hope you read through as your experience on the medical side of your posts is pretty good.

Hi

It is an autoimmune problem which can only occur if you have the "hunter" gene. You are not born with it.

 

[yetta2mymom]

I'll add my bit. Various studies have shown that Asian Indians appear predisposed to Type 2, genetically, they also tend to gain weight around the middle, also their babies tend to be very small, which seems also to predispose them to diabetes in later life.
As for the 'hunter' gene-whatever is that!!! Maybe your doctor used it to give you an explanation of your symptoms.

Hi

The "hunter" gene is their problem. Their glucose tolerance test rises for over 2 hrs (less steep near the end). I have figured out with high probability that what is happening is that they are simulating a type 2 diabetic and only when their blood sugar rises enough does their body (if not pregnant, how?) overcomes or stops the insulin resistance and signals the pancreas to do its job and the blood sugar heads rapidly (as such things go) south. This method of processing sugar is much more efficient (don't form fat and then change fat into sugar) then the normal way of processing sugar. What may be strange is their fasting blood sugar and their A1c are normally fine. If you read this thread you will see I theorize that the "hunter" gene method of processing sugar was the original, It had the problems you mentioned when we became farmers. I think I come from a long line of "hunter" gene + farmers. I can lose weight and not rebound and I do not become diabetic. I guess this is one possible way genetics has changed over time. I am fat and when I ate a lot of sugar I got fatigue and high blood pressure. I am now removing the blood pressure pills as I surmise it was the insulin which was at fault. Not your fat deposits etc... for me.

 

[zand]

Hi

I am fat and when I ate a lot of sugar I got fatigue and high blood pressure. I am now removing the blood pressure pills as I surmise it was the insulin which was at fault. .

I hope you are getting advice from your GP about this. I was on 4 different BP tablets at one time. I made the decision myself which one I would like to stop taking and asked my GP if this was OK, until after a couple of years I was off medication altogether.

 

[yetta2mymom]

I hope you are getting advice from your GP about this. I was on 4 different BP tablets at one time. I made the decision myself which one I would like to stop taking and asked my GP if this was OK, until after a couple of years I was off medication altogether.

Hi

With my history I have very little faith in GP's . However he recomended I cut my dose of the beta blocker rather than go cold turkey. He also commented that my b.p. was better than almost all his older patients. As I probably indicated I guess my diet has cut the excess insulin produced by my body and over the years has returned my body to the state it is supposed to be in. It took years for my diet to cut most (left with some probably permanent symptoms) symptoms related to my autoimmune episode in 1957 not being controlled for approximately 50 years.

 

[Zab]

I am really confused by this thread. The OP claim to be a scientist but relies on testing done to him in 40 years ago. He claims to be in touch with leading experts and medical journals, but neither him or they are doing extensive testing on him (which a scientist would do). So that leads me to believe there is nothing 'abnormal' about you or you would be doing a whole slew of testing all the time.
He claims to not lose weight on the Atkins diet, but a simple google search will bring up a ton of people who do not continue to lose weight after the first little bit and is one of the reasons people stop doing the diet....oh, wait, that is a common complaint for *MOST* diets.
*Most* diabetics feel tired when they have high sugars.
The 'hunter gene' or 'thrifty gene' is constantly thrown out in science because it does not meet up with reality. Every way to make it make sense doesn't hold up. You are relying on bunk science.
When I was a kid, I was often tested for diabetes. In my teens, I became aware of a sensitivity to sugar (probably had what another poster keeps trying to tell you....hypoglycaemia). I have been pregnant three times and was considered diabetic during those pregnancies. I have descendants who are Aboriginals from North America (Sioux). When my sugars are tested at a lab or even here at home, my sugars will raise considerably fast when I take in a lot of carbs and continue to rise for about 4 hours and then drop down to normal values quite suddenly.... I am just diabetic, dude.
The origins of sugar diseases are interesting to study and debate, but the reality is: you have one. And not this uncommon one you think you do. Plain and simple.

 

[Lamont D]

I am really confused by this thread. The OP claim to be a scientist but relies on testing done to him in 40 years ago. He claims to be in touch with leading experts and medical journals, but neither him or they are doing extensive testing on him (which a scientist would do). So that leads me to believe there is nothing 'abnormal' about you or you would be doing a whole slew of testing all the time.
He claims to not lose weight on the Atkins diet, but a simple google search will bring up a ton of people who do not continue to lose weight after the first little bit and is one of the reasons people stop doing the diet....oh, wait, that is a common complaint for *MOST* diets.
*Most* diabetics feel tired when they have high sugars.
The 'hunter gene' or 'thrifty gene' is constantly thrown out in science because it does not meet up with reality. Every way to make it make sense doesn't hold up. You are relying on bunk science.
When I was a kid, I was often tested for diabetes. In my teens, I became aware of a sensitivity to sugar (probably had what another poster keeps trying to tell you....hypoglycaemia). I have been pregnant three times and was considered diabetic during those pregnancies. I have descendants who are Aboriginals from North America (Sioux). When my sugars are tested at a lab or even here at home, my sugars will raise considerably fast when I take in a lot of carbs and continue to rise for about 4 hours and then drop down to normal values quite suddenly.... I am just diabetic, dude.
The origins of sugar diseases are interesting to study and debate, but the reality is: you have one. And not this uncommon one you think you do. Plain and simple.

Good post! Good summerisation!

I truly believe he is trying to find answers, where there isn't any!

He has reactive hypoglycaemia, which is an unusual metabolic condition because of his pancreas. That's it!

 

[ladybird64]

I am really confused by this thread. The OP claim to be a scientist but relies on testing done to him in 40 years ago. He claims to be in touch with leading experts and medical journals, but neither him or they are doing extensive testing on him (which a scientist would do). So that leads me to believe there is nothing 'abnormal' about you or you would be doing a whole slew of testing all the time.
He claims to not lose weight on the Atkins diet, but a simple google search will bring up a ton of people who do not continue to lose weight after the first little bit and is one of the reasons people stop doing the diet....oh, wait, that is a common complaint for *MOST* diets.
*Most* diabetics feel tired when they have high sugars.
The 'hunter gene' or 'thrifty gene' is constantly thrown out in science because it does not meet up with reality. Every way to make it make sense doesn't hold up. You are relying on bunk science.
When I was a kid, I was often tested for diabetes. In my teens, I became aware of a sensitivity to sugar (probably had what another poster keeps trying to tell you....hypoglycaemia). I have been pregnant three times and was considered diabetic during those pregnancies. I have descendants who are Aboriginals from North America (Sioux). When my sugars are tested at a lab or even here at home, my sugars will raise considerably fast when I take in a lot of carbs and continue to rise for about 4 hours and then drop down to normal values quite suddenly.... I am just diabetic, dude.
The origins of sugar diseases are interesting to study and debate, but the reality is: you have one. And not this uncommon one you think you do. Plain and simple.

Yep. 7 pages of the OP refuting any view that differs from his own. I await page 8, as it will surely arrive, saying the same thing.

 

[yetta2mymom]

I am really confused by this thread. The OP claim to be a scientist but relies on testing done to him in 40 years ago. He claims to be in touch with leading experts and medical journals, but neither him or they are doing extensive testing on him (which a scientist would do). So that leads me to believe there is nothing 'abnormal' about you or you would be doing a whole slew of testing all the time.
He claims to not lose weight on the Atkins diet, but a simple google search will bring up a ton of people who do not continue to lose weight after the first little bit and is one of the reasons people stop doing the diet....oh, wait, that is a common complaint for *MOST* diets.
*Most* diabetics feel tired when they have high sugars.
The 'hunter gene' or 'thrifty gene' is constantly thrown out in science because it does not meet up with reality. Every way to make it make sense doesn't hold up. You are relying on bunk science.
When I was a kid, I was often tested for diabetes. In my teens, I became aware of a sensitivity to sugar (probably had what another poster keeps trying to tell you....hypoglycaemia). I have been pregnant three times and was considered diabetic during those pregnancies. I have descendants who are Aboriginals from North America (Sioux). When my sugars are tested at a lab or even here at home, my sugars will raise considerably fast when I take in a lot of carbs and continue to rise for about 4 hours and then drop down to normal values quite suddenly.... I am just diabetic, dude.
The origins of sugar diseases are interesting to study and debate, but the reality is: you have one. And not this uncommon one you think you do. Plain and simple.

Hi

Hello. You discribe the "hunter" gene which was found by a doctor I can not find (anyone know his name) on P.B.S. who said people with this glucose tolerance test do not lose weight on his weight loss diet. I then encounted people from the near east and found out that about 1/2 of them (at least that is what 2 such people said, my enquires of the establishment have been ignored) are found to be prediabetic but do not get diabetes. This seems to be the history of populations which have eaten grains but continue to have the "hunter" gene (me). I assume numerous famines occur and since the "hunter" gene is much more efficient at processing sugar and/or protein it is recommended during famines. With the "hunter" gene you do not process sugar into fat and later process fat into sugar unless you have too. I have no idea how we do this. A major problem with the "hunter" gene is that women in pregnancy can't turn off what ever it is that makes them simulate type 2 diabetes when their blood sugar gets too large (do you have any guesses?). Just ask anyone from the Near East and problably some of your relatives. I have bounced my ideas off my local expert (harvard, Brigham and Women's hospital, will give name on request) and he says possible,even probable but not proved. I am writting an article for Scientific American (I hope my latest draft is on this (word?). I will believe they will publish when I see the article. My expert says what other tests should we try everything is very normal. I do not wish to eat any significant sugar/starch since it took me years to become nearly normal.
What does upper atmospheric behavior have to do with medicine? Please find me anyone who is diabetic and has delayed reactive hypoglycemia. What happened to me in 1957? It sure had all the symptoms of an autoimmune reaction.

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The "hunter" gene is their problem. Their glucose tolerance test rises for over 2 hrs (less steep near the end). I have figured out with high probability that what is happening is that they are simulating a type 2 diabetic and only when their blood sugar rises enough does their body (if not pregnant, how?) overcomes or stops the insulin resistance and signals the pancreas to do its job and the blood sugar heads rapidly (as such things go) south. This method of processing sugar is much more efficient (don't form fat and then change fat into sugar) then the normal way of processing sugar. What may be strange is their fasting blood sugar and their A1c are normally fine. If you read this thread you will see I theorize that the "hunter" gene method of processing sugar was the original, It had the problems you mentioned when we became farmers. I think I come from a long line of "hunter" gene + farmers. I can lose weight and not rebound and I do not become diabetic. I guess this is one possible way genetics has changed over time. I am fat and when I ate a lot of sugar I got fatigue and high blood pressure. I am now removing the blood pressure pills as I surmise it was the insulin which was at fault. Not your fat deposits etc... for me.

 

[Lamont D]

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Please find me anyone who is diabetic and has delayed reactive hypoglycemia. What happened to me in 1957? It sure had all the symptoms of an autoimmune reaction.

There has been a few on the forum with T2 diabetes and RH!
And only Certain metabolic conditions are autoimmune.
RH is not one of them!