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what vitamins and minerals should type 2's take

zazoopits

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Type of diabetes
Prediabetes
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Diet only
Hi - I'm wondering what everyone takes to supplement their diets. I'm doing the LCHF diet but supplement with chromium, magnesium, omega oils, viatmin D, L-glutamine and a viatmin b complex. I've been doing great up until now but today had a re-hash of family trouble, felt like I had crashed and burned and had to go to bed for the day. Felt extremely depressed - never felt anything like it, so that's why I was unsure if there is anything else to take to help. I really would appreciate any help guys.
 
I don't take any supplements, and never have. I try to get all my nutrients from the food I eat, just as I did before embarking on low carb. Is there a reason why you take these supplements?
 
yes blutit, I read that they help stabalise blood sugar, help tiredness etc - I feel a benefit from being on them but would like to hear if anyone else is on any vitamin/mineral regimen. I know that vitamin d is lacking in so many of us so that's why i started taking that one, then read a blog which recommended the others for diabetics. I ate a scran-bran after I got up and felt immediately much better after doing pretty low carbs the day before. I think I will have to up the carbs a wee bit as I don't want a repeat of today!
 
If you feel that these supplements help, that's great. However, for the vast majority they are a waste of money. A varied diet is by far the bast way to get all the vitamins and minerals you need. I've never read they help stabilise BG levels but if they work for you, that's great. Good luck :-)
 
My Doctor diagnosed Vitamin B12 deficiency after I started on the Metformin so prescribed tablets for that.

Vitamin D is the easiest and cheapest of the vitamins to supplement. Just go outside in the daylight for 15 - 30 minutes every couple of days and it should top it up nicely, it doesn't have to be sunny but the sunnier it is the faster we create vitamin D. Just be careful not to get burnt.
 
i got too tired to go outside for my Vitamin D except to buy B12 supplements today.It also seems possible that if blood sugar levels improving the dose may need reducing and "over-medication" might cause some side-effects
 
yes blutit, I read that they help stabalise blood sugar, help tiredness etc - I feel a benefit from being on them but would like to hear if anyone else is on any vitamin/mineral regimen. I know that vitamin d is lacking in so many of us so that's why i started taking that one, then read a blog which recommended the others for diabetics. I ate a scran-bran after I got up and felt immediately much better after doing pretty low carbs the day before. I think I will have to up the carbs a wee bit as I don't want a repeat of today!
Read the following book : "What your Doctor doesn't know about Nutritional Medicine may be Killing you" by Dr. Ray Strand. The book certainly makes a strong case for at least considering supplements/nutrients.
 
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If you feel that these supplements help, that's great. However, for the vast majority they are a waste of money. A varied diet is by far the bast way to get all the vitamins and minerals you need. I've never read they help stabilise BG levels but if they work for you, that's great. Good luck :)

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If someone doesn't suffer from a disease, smokes,drinks alcohol or takes drugs then you maybe correct. If any of the four descriptions or all of them apply then there will be a benefit. Every time someone smokes a cigarette 30 mg of Vit C is lost. Alcohol depletes the body of the B vitamins. Diabetes puts a great strain on the body. This is difficult to prove just as the "balanced diet" theory is difficult to prove. Chromium has been proven to help stabilise BG levels.
 
I am going to ask my nurse at my next visit if I can have my B12 checked. I take metformin and my gran had pernicious anaemia so I think it is something to keep an eye on. (Bet she says no to the test)

I have recently ordered some chromium picolinate as I think, although not tested, I may be a candidate for deficiency as I don't eat many foods that are good sources of chromium such as wholegrains and meat. Diabetes UK reckon it is a safe supplement.
 
I think you pays your money and take your choice! Some people swear by their supplements others don't. I do take a multi vit plus iron as I am prone to being anaemic, but if you feel after a few weeks that they make a difference then carry on. I did read an article not long ago about the benefits of various supplements from named brands to the ones in the pound shops and interestingly the article said that those from the pound shop are equally as effective as those costing a lot more.
 
Unless blood tests show a deficiency I cannot see the point in supplements. If our diet provides us with sufficient surely it is just a waste of money and could lead to further problems with toxicity. If blood tests do show a deficiency, the doctor should prescribe them. Am I being silly?
 
Unless blood tests show a deficiency I cannot see the point in supplements. If our diet provides us with sufficient surely it is just a waste of money and could lead to further problems with toxicity. If blood tests do show a deficiency, the doctor should prescribe them. Am I being silly?
You are not being silly at all, but I do worry about my dietitian.

At my first diabetic clinic, I asked her about these three....

Vitamin B12 - told me that the nurse would have already tested me for it. She hadn't. Nurse had actually told me to ask the dietitian about it.
Chromium: didn't know anything about it.
Vitamin D: couldn't tell me if it was stored in the body. Seriously.

As I say, I will ask for a B12 test at my next appointment which is at the end of July. Wish me luck!
 
Good luck! You may need it with your nurse!

I am certain I have calcium deficiency - self diagnosis due to ****** finger nails and calf muscle cramps in bed. I told my nurse on the phone but didn't mention my symptoms at all, just that I thought I wasn't eating enough calcium. She immediately made me an appointment to see her tomorrow when she will give me the appropriate blood test. I think I love my nurse!
 
Good luck! You may need it with your nurse!

I am certain I have calcium deficiency - self diagnosis due to ****** finger nails and calf muscle cramps in bed. I told my nurse on the phone but didn't mention my symptoms at all, just that I thought I wasn't eating enough calcium. She immediately made me an appointment to see her tomorrow when she will give me the appropriate blood test. I think I love my nurse!
Calcium is one supplement to be very, very careful with as it works synergistically with Vitamins D3 and K2. Without K2, the calcium can be deposited in the wrong types of cells, leading to calcification in tissues, arteries, etc.

Leg cramps are usually associated with magnesium, which most alternative practitioners say is lacking in most diets. If you're not using something that tracks your micro-nutrient levels, it's unlikely most people are getting enough.

On the recent Reversing Diabetes Summit, Dr Mowll recommended the following supplements for Type 2's, especially newly diagnosed ones:

Chromium 400-1000 mcg
Biotin
2-9 mg
Vanadium
50 mg
Alpha Lipoic Acid
400-1200 mg
DHA/EPLA
2-4 g
Gymnema Sylvestre
400 mg
Berberine
500-000 mg
Cinnamon
2-6 g
Vitamin D3
2,000-5000 iu

Also saw an article linking Vitamin D levels to halted progression of Type 2:
http://www.healio.com/endocrinology...ntation-linked-to-halted-diabetes-progression

Alpha Lipoic Acid is meant to be very helpful with neuropathy.
 
The problem with anyone falling back onto the 'you are ok if you eat a varied diet' argument, is that they never say what that varied diet should include. Usually health care professionals who say this are just covering up lack of knowledge. What they mean is a general, catch-all, vague diet which would include whole grains, fruits, vegetables and the Eatwell plate. Lots of room for malnutrition there! I could eat nothing but weetabix, strawberries and carrots, and think i ate well.

Likewise talking about 'a normal diet'. I mean, what the heck is that?!? What if my 'normal diet' is 5 pints a night and a takeaway to follow?

Assuming that a blood test is ok because it 'falls within normal limits' does not take into account the individuals whose personal requirements fall outside the statistical middle ground - they do exist. I have a mother who has had to continually fight a series of doctors. They all want to take her of her thyroid medication. No matter that she feels awful without it, her bloods are a fraction inside the 'normal range' so they think she doesn't need it.

I'm afraid the only opinions on dietary supplements that I trust, are those based on personal experience. If a person says 'I tried Vit x, y or z, and I felt so much better!' Then I think it was a good decision for them. If someone else says 'I tried herb a, b or c, and it made no difference', then that was a waste of their money. But they couldn't know that til they had tried it, could they?

Even the results of a well conducted, unbiased medical study will not tell you how your body will react to a supplement. You are an individual, with a unique body, lifestyle, medical history and diet. It might make you feel nothing, or worse, or better for the first time in decades.

Anyone with half a brain can read up on their supplement of choice, and make a decision based on their personal circumstances, the safe levels to supplement, their symptoms. Even a blood test should only be a guideline.

And don't get me started on the nutritional inadequacies of produce grown on over-farmed, toxically fertilised land, that then get harvested early and chilled or gassed for weeks before they arrive at the supermarket, where they are bought, sit in our kitchens for days and start to wrinkle before we over-cook them.
 
The problem with anyone falling back onto the 'you are ok if you eat a varied diet' argument, is that they never say what that varied diet should include. Usually health care professionals who say this are just covering up lack of knowledge. What they mean is a general, catch-all, vague diet which would include whole grains, fruits, vegetables and the Eatwell plate. Lots of room for malnutrition there! I could eat nothing but weetabix, strawberries and carrots, and think i ate well.

Likewise talking about 'a normal diet'. I mean, what the heck is that?!? What if my 'normal diet' is 5 pints a night and a takeaway to follow?

Assuming that a blood test is ok because it 'falls within normal limits' does not take into account the individuals whose personal requirements fall outside the statistical middle ground - they do exist. I have a mother who has had to continually fight a series of doctors. They all want to take her of her thyroid medication. No matter that she feels awful without it, her bloods are a fraction inside the 'normal range' so they think she doesn't need it.

I'm afraid the only opinions on dietary supplements that I trust, are those based on personal experience. If a person says 'I tried Vit x, y or z, and I felt so much better!' Then I think it was a good decision for them. If someone else says 'I tried herb a, b or c, and it made no difference', then that was a waste of their money. But they couldn't know that til they had tried it, could they?

Even the results of a well conducted, unbiased medical study will not tell you how your body will react to a supplement. You are an individual, with a unique body, lifestyle, medical history and diet. It might make you feel nothing, or worse, or better for the first time in decades.

Anyone with half a brain can read up on their supplement of choice, and make a decision based on their personal circumstances, the safe levels to supplement, their symptoms. Even a blood test should only be a guideline.

And don't get me started on the nutritional inadequacies of produce grown on over-farmed, toxically fertilised land, that then get harvested early and chilled or gassed for weeks before they arrive at the supermarket, where they are bought, sit in our kitchens for days and start to wrinkle before we over-cook them.
I believe you have killed this thread cos there ain't no one out there that's gonna argue with you, girl!

Love it!
 
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