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Who saw the channel 4 programme yesterday?

anna29 said:
Can I just chime in with a cure is a word/term to mean permanent state of riddence of disease/condition .
As in its GONE forever ...

If the ladies were to revert back to any POOR self management/control of their eating/lifestyle routine
Then the return of the disease/condition could be possible .
Hence no real permanent cure . (as in gone for good)

It is a worry :problem: that a programme showing/using HCP's sending out a very different message .
With the term/word of being a perspective cure so loosely .

This was the only bit I was unsure off - when they gave the ladies results out in the programme .

Anna .
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Where??? do I mention about any type2 being 'obese' :shock: :shock: :shock:

I only mention the word of cure - being a state of permanently gone for good or forever !

We don't like to label anyone here as 'obese' it can be very offensive - as there are MANY type2's NOT obese at all .

Why try to insinuate that I say other than I what do say about the word cure :x
No twists to/with my post trotskyite - thank you .

Anna .
 
However this is dressed up with quotes from dictionaries and the like..We're NOT cured!! JUST controlled!! I have an HbA1c of 5.1%..well I would be considered non diabetic with such a level BUT if I was to go back to my old diet my HbA1c would be back in the mid teens...I would suggest that if someone loses weight and then there diabetes is now 'Cured' and they can eat what they want with no implications on their BG's they were never Diabetic per se but insulin resistant only.
 
anna29 said:
anna29 said:
Can I just chime in with a cure is a word/term to mean permanent state of riddence of disease/condition .
As in its GONE forever ...

If the ladies were to revert back to any POOR self management/control of their eating/lifestyle routine
Then the return of the disease/condition could be possible .
Hence no real permanent cure . (as in gone for good)

It is a worry :problem: that a programme showing/using HCP's sending out a very different message .
With the term/word of being a perspective cure so loosely .

This was the only bit I was unsure off - when they gave the ladies results out in the programme .

Anna .
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Where??? do I mention about any type2 being 'obese' :shock: :shock: :shock:

I only mention the word of cure - being a state of permanently gone for good or forever !

We don't like to label anyone here as 'obese' it can be very offensive - as there are MANY type2's NOT obese at all .

Why try to insinuate that I say other than I what do say about the word cure :x
No twists to/with my post trotskyite - thank you .

Anna .
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Anna..I think you have just quoted yourself there by mistake
 
No mistake Paul .
Just want to remind members of what I do/did actually say in my previous post . :)

Thanks Anna .
 
I never saw the programme and so can't comment on it. What I would like to know is what the official (NHS) thoughts are on some type2s being classed as cured. Fed up of using single quotes around the word cured so I will leave it as is. When I was given the all clear last year, my nurse told me I no longer had diabetes. I asked if that meant I should hand back my free prescription card. After consultation with the doctor and outside help, it was decided that I should. I was not diabetic therefore I didn't qualify for free prescriptions. In the eyes of my surgery and the outside advisor, am I cured or did they just want to get off the free meds (2 blood presure pills per day) bandwagon?

I accept that my diabetes is just controlled, not cured. I also accept that if I put on a certain amount of weight my diabetes will come back.
Lee.
 
So we all lose weight, within 'normal' levels. Our HbA1c comes back to 'normal' levels and we are diagnosed 'cured'.
So if we now eat a nice big chocolate cake as a treat, our BG stay within normal range? If we don't get BG spikes we are cured?


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So we all lose weight, within 'normal' levels. Our HbA1c comes back to 'normal' levels and we are diagnosed 'cured'.
So if we now eat a nice big chocolate cake as a treat, our BG stay within normal range? If we don't get BG spikes we are cured?
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we will never know because, if your DSN is like mine, you will be dismissed as a Diabetic. Told you are no longer one. Have all your annual tests withdrawn, and wont be given any test strips.

so you wont find out if you are still likely to spike with cake until your foot drops off :crazy:

(I am only partially joking here)

I think its a whole, huge cost cutting exercise and a way of blaming diabetics for their condition, instead of treating it properly.

Wasnt the huge amount spent by the NHS mainly used on treating complications? well, proclaiming us cured and stopping monitoring is going to help with that, isnt it!!!!
 
Who actually is being told they are "cured regardless to how they eat in the future"? I didn't at any time hear anyone telling the candidates in the programme that?
I feel you may be underestimating
people's intelligence!


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If someone tell me "You are cured, you are no longer diabetic" I interpret that as meaning I can do all the things non-diabetics do in a dietary way.

How do you interpret it?

at no time did anyone on the programme say, "You are cured, but keep to your dietary changes or your diabetes will come back". That is what we are upset about.

And in any case, they term would have been "in remission" not "cured" if dietary advice had been given in order to continue as non-diabetic, wouldnt it?
 
lucylocket61 said:
If someone tell me "You are cured, you are no longer diabetic" I interpret that as meaning I can do all the things non-diabetics do in a dietary way.

How do you interpret it?

at no time did anyone on the programme say, "You are cured, but keep to your dietary changes or your diabetes will come back". That is what we are upset about.

And in any case, they term would have been "in remission" not "cured" if dietary advice had been given in order to continue as non-diabetic, wouldnt it?
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I agree with this completely :D

What they said on the programme, broadcast to the masses, was both misleading and dangerous to the show participants and the general publics perceptions.

It certainly did imply that the young girl could return to going out on benders with her friends, eating junk food and cakes with no repercussions. I worry about her! And I worry that the general public will view diabetes as a condition that people can cure themselves of.

I echo what others have said.... I truly believe that it can't be cured, but it can be well controlled.
 
cocacola said:
So we all lose weight, within 'normal' levels. Our HbA1c comes back to 'normal' levels and we are diagnosed 'cured'.
So if we now eat a nice big chocolate cake as a treat, our BG stay within normal range? If we don't get BG spikes we are cured?


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Not quite sure what you mean here. Everyone spikes. A rise from 4.5 to 7 is a spike. So, spiking in itself is not an indication of being diabetic, otherwise 100% of the population is diabetic according to the bG patterns for non-diabetics. Also, none of us has the benefit of knowing what our personal bG pattern is supposed to be if we were not diabetic. Blood glucose will always rise after carbs before insulin kicks in as the rise is the trigger. Otherwise, no glucose would be stored as glycogen or fat and we would only be able to live off energy from ingested carbs.

I was diagnosed on the basis of an OGTT which involved digesting a hugely abnormal amount of glucose (75g) in one sitting giving a bG peak of 14.7, a rise of 9.7. However, after a meal with 75g carbs including 27g sugar, my bGs rose to 6.3, a rise of 2.4. The possibilities are (1) The OGTT is not a realistic test (2) I've improved (3) The mix of foods in the meal worked together in a more realistic manner. I haven't got a clue which of these is the right answer.
 
I don't want to get involved in the cure, not cure discussion but just noticed this in Lees comment.

lrw60 said:
I asked if that meant I should hand back my free prescription card. After consultation with the doctor and outside help, it was decided that I should. I was not diabetic therefore I didn't qualify for free prescriptions. In the eyes of my surgery and the outside advisor, am I cured or did they just want to get off the free meds (2 blood presure pills per day) bandwagon?
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It's central NHS that manages this, you get the card for 5 years regardless of whether you come off meds within that time as, according to the letter they sent me, it's easier for them to administer. So are still covered, unless you feel you want to pay.
 
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