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Wholemeal flour & chocolate

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Type of diabetes
Type 2
Treatment type
Diet only
I have been advised to keep to low sugar foods and slow release carbohydrates to keep my blood sugar levels more even. I have a few questions:

1. If I replace refined / white flour and sugar with wholemeal flour and sweetener in a recipe, does that make it 'safe' ?

2. If I am going to have a 'treat' that contains sugar, e.g. some squares of chocolate, would it be better to spread it out over the day or does it make no difference so long as I don't have too much ?

3. Also is it better to have a treat with other foods or does it make no difference?

Hope you can help.
 
welcome Katharine18792 :)
I´ll tag @daisy so you´ll get the information all new people get here it is really good and maybe also give you some more knowledge of food that are good for diabetes type 2

no is the answer to question 1. the sweetener can make it a bit safer when it comes to spiking your blood glucose, some artificial sweeteners do not spike sugars at all, some do transform into kinds of sugars anyhow but to a lower level as real sugar and fructose... the fibres slows the spikes a bit but not overally much...
2. yes it is best to avoid sugars also the kind added to chokolades and all other kinds of foods and treats.. it differs from one person to the other how much carb they can take without having far too high blood glucose numbers.. and in the healthier foods like greens vegetables nuts and seeds there is also carbs that need to be counted in so I would not advice anyone to eat chocolade except from the kinds with no added sugars in at all.. or the kinds that are sweetened with stevia-plant/artificial sugar..

but of cause it is better to part it out over many hours... I was tought at my hospital never more than 5 grams of sugar at a time...
but as most can all in all only eat highly put about 100grams of carbs a day and still have control over their blood glucose and be near normal levelsby that I think that eating 15 grams of sugar is a very big part of the carb-intake all in all..

3.the better treats are like nuts in general,cream, cheese of most kinds and berries and hte mentioned chokolade with no added sugars (there still is some natural sugars in unsweetened chokolade, and that has too to be counted for)
 
The answer to 1) is that it is safer but not 'safe' as it varies from person to person. For 2) to avoid spikes, spread the consumption during the day but ultimately it's the total that is more important per day. For 3) having carbs with fat will slow and smooth absorption but not really affect the end result.
 
You could try eating small quantities of plain high cocoa content chocolate - the higher the cocoa % the less carbs it generally has, but as it's also unsweetened the very high cocoa percentage can be an acquired taste. (Look for Lindt and Green & Blacks brands for starters - there are also others recommended on the forum. ) And it is actually good for you as opposed to milk choccy which isn't.

Also look for low carb baking recipes which use almond, coconut or similar nut or seed flours, and try erythritol, stevia, or xylitol which are all safe for diabetics, but use this last sweetener only if you don't own or associate with dogs as it can be a killer for them. Check our low carb recipes section of the forum and look at @ewelina's Diabetic Good Baking blog for low carb cake recipes that shouldn't cause any nasty glucose spikes.

But - everything in moderation, and use your meter to test your reaction to different "suspect" foods. If you haven't got one, look into getting an SD Code Free - despite what you may be told about us not needing to test!

Robbity
 
welcome Katharine18792 :)
I´ll tag @daisy so you´ll get the information all new people get here it is really good and maybe also give you some more knowledge of food that are good for diabetes type 2

no is the answer to question 1. the sweetener can make it a bit safer when it comes to spiking your blood glucose, some artificial sweeteners do not spike sugars at all, some do transform into kinds of sugars anyhow but to a lower level as real sugar and fructose... the fibres slows the spikes a bit but not overally much...
2. yes it is best to avoid sugars also the kind added to chokolades and all other kinds of foods and treats.. it differs from one person to the other how much carb they can take without having far too high blood glucose numbers.. and in the healthier foods like greens vegetables nuts and seeds there is also carbs that need to be counted in so I would not advice anyone to eat chocolade except from the kinds with no added sugars in at all.. or the kinds that are sweetened with stevia-plant/artificial sugar..

but of cause it is better to part it out over many hours... I was tought at my hospital never more than 5 grams of sugar at a time...
but as most can all in all only eat highly put about 100grams of carbs a day and still have control over their blood glucose and be near normal levelsby that I think that eating 15 grams of sugar is a very big part of the carb-intake all in all..

3.the better treats are like nuts in general,cream, cheese of most kinds and berries and hte mentioned chokolade with no added sugars (there still is some natural sugars in unsweetened chokolade, and that has too to be counted for)
@daisy1
 
@Katharine18792

Hello Katharine and welcome to the forum :) Here is the basic information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. It contains much advice on carbs and levels and includes a link to the Low Carb Program which you could try. Ask more questions when you need to and someone will be able to help.


BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEW MEMBERS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 220,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:

  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a free 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:

  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
 
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