Jenny15
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About this orthorexia thing - I think the deciding feature or factor on whether something becomes a significant psychological issue is down to the impact it has on your life and/or wellbeing. For example, I don't like using public toilets. I'll do my best to avoid using them if at all possible, but this aversion doesn't prevent me from leaving the house. If I couldn't leave the house for fear that I'd need to use a public toilet, then this issue has crossed the line between a preference and an issue which needs to be dealt with or even treated.
I might decide to eat to my meter, and in doing so, I might avoid certain foods, but if being served chips as part of a pub meal means I chuck a tantrum and leave in a huff, then that's a problem. Preferring to avoid any sort of food is not an eating disorder, no matter how bizarre or logical it is. It's the impact that it has on your life, and possibly on the lives of those closest to you that tips the balance.
I'm pretty sure the high sugars are just a symptom of diabetes. I want to know why some of us react to a diet high in refined carbohydrates by ignoring insulin, and then why our bodies just go nuts making more and more of the stuff until it practically wears out the source, when it's being ignored anyway. It seems very inefficient, and our bodies are so very clever most of the time at keeping us in homeostasis, which is all rather exact for nearly everything. You can abuse your body in an infinite number of ways, and some of us seem to get away with it, while some of us don't. It can't just be down to luck and genes. If that's the case, then I feel quite pointless putting in so much effort to fix things.
I’ve been accused of it, sadly. Told to lighten up, to eat meat on special occasions (I’ve been quite vocal at home in my frustration at this allergy to it) and just take Ventolin for the asthma attack it causes. Apparently that’s “having a treat”. Same with cake etc - “just treat yourself and inject for it” even though it leaves me feeling terrible with wildly swinging blood sugars.That's not orthorexia.
(Not said to you in particular, but said to everyone generally.)
Kind of like drunks who can't bear it when others don't drink and try to force drinks down their throatsI’ve been accused of it, sadly. Told to lighten up, to eat meat on special occasions (I’ve been quite vocal at home in my frustration at this allergy to it) and just take Ventolin for the asthma attack it causes. Apparently that’s “having a treat”. Same with cake etc - “just treat yourself and inject for it” even though it leaves me feeling terrible with wildly swinging blood sugars.
I’d suggest people trying to force food on you that you can’t/don’t eat is more of a psychological disorder than choosing not to eat foods that make you feel rotten.
Have been reading this thread with interest. My feelings about this are that the particular genetic make up of my body makes it much more likely that I will develop insulin resistance in response to carbs - especially the sugary starchy carbs and this will lead to me developing T2D. I have always put on weight with carbs - even if I avoid the sugary ones and stick to the starchy ones.
When diagnosed I had an HB1aC of 125 and was Immediately put on fast acting Novarapid and slow acting Lantus. I injected insulin multiple times a day for four years and over this time I religiously ate starchy carbs at every meal (as I was strongly advised to do) but the diabetic macular oedema and numbness in my foot just got progressively worse.
I was able to come off the insulin and reverse the eye and foot issues by following a low carb and healthy fat diet. I have found that I have to keep to no more than 20g of carbs - which is actually quite low. I eat industrial amounts of non starchy carbs such as kale, asparagus, broccoli, lettuce, cauliflower, spinach, aubergine , avocado etc. etc. Unfortunately any carbs over the 20g a day mean that I have to inject insulin. I feel so much better without the insulin so I keep to the 20g max. So for me personally I am better with low carbs and no starchy carbs. My HB1aC is 40 - at the upper end of normal.
Have been reading this thread with interest. My feelings about this are that the particular genetic make up of my body makes it much more likely that I will develop insulin resistance in response to carbs - especially the sugary starchy carbs and this will lead to me developing T2D. I have always put on weight with carbs - even if I avoid the sugary ones and stick to the starchy ones.
When diagnosed I had an HB1aC of 125 and was Immediately put on fast acting Novarapid and slow acting Lantus. I injected insulin multiple times a day for four years and over this time I religiously ate starchy carbs at every meal (as I was strongly advised to do) but the diabetic macular oedema and numbness in my foot just got progressively worse.
I was able to come off the insulin and reverse the eye and foot issues by following a low carb and healthy fat diet. I have found that I have to keep to no more than 20g of carbs - which is actually quite low. I eat industrial amounts of non starchy carbs such as kale, asparagus, broccoli, lettuce, cauliflower, spinach, aubergine , avocado etc. etc. Unfortunately any carbs over the 20g a day mean that I have to inject insulin. I feel so much better without the insulin so I keep to the 20g max. So for me personally I am better with low carbs and no starchy carbs. My HB1aC is 40 - at the upper end of normal.
so much this. This is the debate in a nutshell. I wish I could click agree a million times.They all state what we already know, that carbohydrates raise blood glucose levels in diabetics and go to great lengths to explain the reasons. That is not the issue. I did not hear any of the ones that I've viewed so far come out and categorically state that consuming carbohydrates turns non diabetic people into diabetics.
I agree. But my posts about orthorexia weren't about people like you with a genuine allergy to certain types of food. Shame on those people trying to pressure you into eating them. I had asthma for many years and struggling for breath was one of the scariest things I've ever been through. I assume respiratory responses to food-based allergens is at least as bad, if not worse.I’ve been accused of it, sadly. Told to lighten up, to eat meat on special occasions (I’ve been quite vocal at home in my frustration at this allergy to it) and just take Ventolin for the asthma attack it causes. Apparently that’s “having a treat”. Same with cake etc - “just treat yourself and inject for it” even though it leaves me feeling terrible with wildly swinging blood sugars.
I’d suggest people trying to force food on you that you can’t/don’t eat is more of a psychological disorder than choosing not to eat foods that make you feel rotten.
I think sometimes gallows humour is used on here when things can come to close and are painful, or to deflect hurt. I feel confident no offense was intended.Orthorexia is a serious medical condition. Would you laugh and joke about anorexia and bulimia? I never said anyone here has orthorexia. If you think I did, go back to my post about it about and read it again.
I enjoy humour as much as the next person but if we are talking about a medical condition, especially a mental health condition as distressing as an eating disorder, can I suggest we please rein it in a bit? And if you think it's not a real disorder just because it hasn't yet been included in a DSM update, please read the criteria for Other Specified Feeding and Eating Disorders in the DSM V.
Disclaimer: I personally do not take offense at things like this, but for every person who posts in a thread there are usually at least ten lurkers.
I don't think that was the case at all. It doesn't matter if no offense was intended. Are we OK with joking about serious disorders nowI think sometimes gallows humour is used on here when things can come to close and are painful, or to deflect hurt. I feel confident no offense was intended.
I cant even remember why orthorexia came up?
I must have missed/skimmed over the posts you mean. I do suggest that, if you see a post which has crossed the line of decency, and is offensive, or could be seen as offensive, that you report it. the mods are receptive and understanding about such reports.I don't think that was the case at all. It doesn't matter if no offense was intended. Are we OK with joking about serious disorders now?
Thanks for the suggestion but there were so many, and they were "borderline" so I opted for mentioning it in the thread, like others do. Like I said, repeatedly, I am not offended or upset by this. I'm trying to have an adult discussion about adult issues.I must have missed/skimmed over the posts you mean. I do suggest that, if you see a post which has crossed the line of decency, and is offensive, or could be seen as offensive, that you report it. the mods are receptive and understanding about such reports.
Under scrutiny you will find a great deal of variation between carbohydrate consumption and the relative list of diabetes prevalence. One of the highest cohorts, Indonesia is well down the list while meat heavy Spain has double the incidence of diabetes than spud loving Ireland. Obviously, other factors are at play..
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One common denominator between all these different countries is the major consumption of fizzy drinks, I cannot find the equivalent worldwide sales figures for say Coca Cola, but they must be published somewhere. I did find this Guardian article that discusses this topic.Agreed. And Spain is a Mediterranean country, and the Mediterranean diet is healthy. Or, there's a large population bordering the Med with very different dietary preferences. Or even regional variations within those countries. The dangers of generalisation.
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