Why Eat Carbs As A Type 2 Diabetic?

[Hoping4Cure]

This blame culture has to stop.

Sounds like a prescription for the obesity epidemic to keep getting worse.

Blaming society is a cop out.

We're all adults here, right?

How about a culture of sensible responsibility for your dietary choices, which is the underlying cause of type 2 diabetes?

I do blame doctors and dietitians for their role in promoting the food pyramid (HCLF, grain based western diet) lie, which many people still follow, but at a certain point you have to take responsibility for your own health.

Many here do, and have reversed their type 2 diabetes. To them I say, congratulations. They took charge, and got things done. One cannot do that if one blames "society" for the fact that their metabolism is broken.

 

[Hotpepper20000]

I think we need to remember not all carbs are created equal.

I eat leafy greens, tomatoes, Cucumbers, cheese and nuts And those are all carbs.
But things like grains, root vegetables and potatoes are a carbs that spike my BG so I don’t eat them.

 

[zand]

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Sounds like a prescription for the obesity epidemic to keep getting worse.

Blaming society is a cop out.

We're all adults here, right?

How about a culture of sensible responsibility for your dietary choices, which is the underlying cause of type 2 diabetes?

I do blame doctors and dietitians for their role in promoting the food pyramid (HCLF, grain based western diet) lie, which many people still follow, but at a certain point you have to take responsibility for your own health.

Many here do, and have reversed their type 2 diabetes. To them I say, congratulations. They took charge, and got things done. One cannot do that if one blames "society" for the fact that their metabolism is broken.

How is the blame culture helping anyone? As I said to you on another thread my silly body doesn't use the insulin it produces properly, your silly body killed off your insulin producing cells.

Support is the answer, not blame. I really do think you need counselling to deal with this victim mentality of yours. It isn't nice the way you keep throwing mud at T2s on a support forum. Do you have an issue regarding people who are fat and not T2?

Edit: I have had counselling and it really helps

 

[Brunneria]

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/reversing-diabetes.html

All that link shows is that some T2s have been shown to be able to ‘reverse’, when extreme low calorie diets or radical treatment is applied by a pioneering few medical professionals.

Very few T2s have this information, or supportive medical professionals, or the testing equipment and dietary knowhow to use these approaches. Some of them don’t have internet access and the time and money to research these things.

Do you know what the criteria are for this T2 ‘reversal’? Or how long it is proven to last? What the success rate is? What causes the ‘reversal’?

Do you know the causes of T2? (And if you say ‘carbs’ then you need better info sources)

If you are unaware of the answers to any of these questions then I would ask you to stop making sweeping generalisations about T2s (whose health, weight, ways of eating, lifestyles, exercise levels and carb intake vary as much as for any other group).

 

[Hoping4Cure]

If only treating and curing type 2 was that simple.

I agree it's not at all simple, when half of doctors and dietitians still push low fat diets and drugs on their patients, or worse, don't give them any dietary advice at all because everybody is so touchy and emotionally fragile these days.

My cousin is a GP who has tons of (mostly older) type 2 patients, who often don't listen to his entreaties to change their lifestyle and diet, and so compliance is extremely hard to achieve, especially when "people love their carbs" so much and they prefer to blame anyone else but themselves for their situation.

 

[Hoping4Cure]

Frankly I don't understand your mentality either. I didn't cause my T2 just like you didn't cause your T1.

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

My type 1 came on suddenly as a child, within a month and I ended up in DKA, went into a coma and woke up with a life sentence.

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[Hotpepper20000]

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

Umm No

 

[zand]

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

Not me. I was given various diets by my doctor when I said I wanted to lose weight. They all failed, some made me gain alot of weight. Finally a new doctor told me I had had fatty liver for 5 years. I was so cross that no-one told me about this before. He said nothing could be done and it would just get worse and worse. I researched it, found out that diet drinks were the major cause of it for me and eventually managed to stop drinking them ( it took a long time as they were so addictive) I bought books on syndrome X and went to a naturopath since my GP wasn't able to help me. The fatty liver had all but gone 2 months later. I still became T2 a few years later (2011)despite discovering low carbing all on my own in the meantime.

Like you, I also had a life changing experience when I was a toddler. My GP didn't even notice what was wrong when she prescribed strong painkillers to me 'for hip pain'. I have had counselling to get over the shock of what happened to me, I feel you need counselling too then maybe you wouldn't be so angry with the world.

I find what you say about T2s to be offensive too, even though my own HbA1cs are in the non-diabetic range. I feel for the other people you are slagging off who may be struggling with multiple issues, who come here for help and find they are being judged by you.

 

[bulkbiker]

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

Some people, me included, are indeed told this by their GP (or in my case over the phone by a receptionist) their advice was to "lose some weight". To say this to someone who has spent the previous 30 years trying to do exactly that is pretty useless. The truth of the matter being that this person has spent thousands of pounds on pointless gym memberships and worse even going to the gym to try the "eat less move more" mantra that many believe is the simplistic answer to hormonal issues. This all just helping to boost grehlin responses leading to extreme hunger as well as psychological issues from reward syndrome after exercising for hours on end.
So yes it can be avoided and reversed but only if you are given the correct information on how to do it. Something that very few HCP's seem able to do.
Then when you do actually do something about it after finding out about low carb being given precisely zero support or test strips or any advice because you are not following the NICE guidelines or the Eatwell Guide and then being told by the stupid nurse that carbs are essential and you can't live without them.
So yes you're right we brought it all on ourselves by eating too many buns... except of course that might actually be a slightly simplistic way of looking at it....but empathy is obviously not your strongest characteristic.

 

[archersuz]

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

I was not screened early and did not know I had pre-diabetes. I was called in for screening because I had had gestational diabetes 23 years ago and was shocked to learn that I had T2.

 

[Resurgam]

As a healthy youngish mum, heavily pregnant with my second child I was screamed at by a doctor threatening to have me taken to hospital and 'fed properly' when he found out that I was eating low carb foods - as I had done throughout my previous pregnancy and during the previous 10 years. I was given a diet sheet and told to stick to it or else - I had to go back every week - the first week I felt unwell, the second, I had developed pre eclampsia - because of the mad diet of course.
As there was no hospital bed available I was told to come back on the Monday to be sent to hospital, but I went home and got rid of the carbs. By Monday I was a lot better and was told how good I'd been to stick to their instructions and not kill my baby due to the stupid fad diet.
In the face of such insistence that heavy carbs are essential - what would most people do?
My second child did not flourish like the first - and I have felt guilty about those two weeks of stodge ever since.

 

[Brunneria]

Hi All,

Some content has been deleted from this thread because it was breaking the forum rules, specifically the rule about not creating an ‘us and them’ mentality on the forum.

This is a support forum.
We are here to assist each other and share personal experiences, so that we can best cope with our own personal version of diabetes, both emotionally and physically.

Posts that judge, criticise and condemn have no place here, and I would encourage everyone to Report such posts immediately so that the moderation team can deal with them, as per our forum ethos and rules.

 

[DCUKMod]

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

My type 1 came on suddenly as a child, within a month and I ended up in DKA, went into a coma and woke up with a life sentence.

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I would challenge that most people are warned well in advance. I certainly wasn't and comparatively few new members arriving here state they had had a diagnosis of pre-diabetes.

Of course, it's most unfortunate and regretable you became DKA and were extremely unwellk on diagnosis, but that doesn't give you, or anyone else a free ticket to trivialise other members predicaments or conditions. Nobody arrives at the forum because they don't carre about their diabetes or their health. It is quite the opposite.

On a complete side note, the statistics for the percentage of persons diagnosed with pre-diabetes who go on to develop T2 are interesting.

 

[lucylocket61]

https://www.diabetes.co.uk/reversing-diabetes.html

nope. that does not say that most or all or even many can reverse their type 2. And some of us are not cured, its a lifetime of vigilance and control, and even then, our bodies and conditions change.

 

[lucylocket61]

How about a culture of sensible responsibility for your dietary choices, which is the underlying cause of type 2 diabetes?

you obviously know more than everyone else involved in research then, as no-one knows the underlying cause of type 2.

 

[Concordjan]

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

My type 1 came on suddenly as a child, within a month and I ended up in DKA, went into a coma and woke up with a life sentence.

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I was never told I was pre-diabetic, was never over weight and ate what was considered a healthy diet. After developing a couple of symptoms I asked to be tested for diabetes, not even my doctors idea. He was reluctant to do the blood tests as I wasn’t at all overweight. The diagnosis did come as a surprise - to him as well as me.

 

[Deleted member 308541]

Why eat carbs as a (type2) diabetic?

I eat lower carb bread, reheated pasta, lower carb potatoes as I have mentioned in a lot of replies to threads on this forum.

Rice is off the menu whether it's reheated or not though.

because some of us want to, and our meters say we can.

It's all down to portion size for me, and as you say we are eating to the meter.

I do not have a fixed amount of carbs each day, it would vary if I was counting them but I am not that zealous on doing this.

Edit:Typo.

 

[Guzzler]

Sounds like a prescription for the obesity epidemic to keep getting worse.

Blaming society is a cop out.

We're all adults here, right?

How about a culture of sensible responsibility for your dietary choices, which is the underlying cause of type 2 diabetes?

I do blame doctors and dietitians for their role in promoting the food pyramid (HCLF, grain based western diet) lie, which many people still follow, but at a certain point you have to take responsibility for your own health.

Many here do, and have reversed their type 2 diabetes. To them I say, congratulations. They took charge, and got things done. One cannot do that if one blames "society" for the fact that their metabolism is broken.

How dare you assume that I have not taken responsibility for my own health! And you assume too much when you think that everyone agrees with your definition of the causes and possible answers to the whole question of Type 2 Diabetes and the current pandemic. You are subscribing to the myth that the cause of T2 is simple and the answer to it is just as simple, T2 is far more nuanced than you realise and I find some of your comments to be offensive and that they show a lack of understanding.

Remission is not cure, reversal is not cure and there are those who despite their best efforts cannot attain said. This does not mean they have no will power or "gumption" as you called it elsewhere.
When I said this blame culture has to stop I meant it. It should end in the media, it should end in public but most of all it should end right here on this forum.

 

[Guzzler]

Most type 2 diabetics get warned by their doctors well in advance, via a condition called "pre-diabetes". It can be avoided and reversed.

My type 1 came on suddenly as a child, within a month and I ended up in DKA, went into a coma and woke up with a life sentence.

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This is untrue. I had none of the classic symptoms of T2, no peeing, no thirst, no weight gain but diagnosed nought to sixty with an A1c of 98. No Pre Diabetes. I have had four diagnoses with life changing consequences and yet I am only 'blamed' for one of them, that being T2. That, is unfair.

 

[JohnEGreen]

The vast majority of the replies to the question "why eat carbs" isn't simply "because I like them", it should be properly said thus: "I prefer eating carbs to curing my type 2 diabetes and living a long, healthy life".

As a type 1 diabetic, I shake my head at the blithe way many seem to deliberately be choosing to remain with their condition, despite knowing the way out of it, thereby wasting finite medical resources and drug insurance coverage in the process, preferring to eat their cake and stay diabetic, too (so to speak).

I find this type of mentality frankly selfish and irresponsible. 90% of diabetics are type 2 and it can be reversed through low-carb diet alone in many (most? all?) cases. Regardless of anecdotal evidence presented here in this forum, large scale studies shared on this very website show that low-carbing works and denying that is pointless.

The tax money that goes towards treating these patients is taken away from more serious incurable diseases, for whom adequate resources are already unavailable. GCMs aren't free and given to every type 1, and type 2 drugs like GLP-1 which help type 1s tremendously are out of our reach in most cases, because without an indication for its use, insurance won't cover it, and we can't afford e.g. 1400$ a month for semaglutide (which is a WONDERFUL type 2 drug for type 1 diabetics. 1.5% A1C drop, lower sugar variance and insulin requirements). This is besides the countless billions that goes into type 2 drug research that companies invest in due to the demand, which could otherwise go to other diseases. Funding for healthcare is a zero-sum game, since budgets are limited and finite. And insurance is a zero-sum game too, since pooled risk is increased when many more people are sick. Many recent Type 2 meds are ridiculously expensive considering the low, low cost of low-carbing. It's self-indulgent in the extreme.

@Hoping4Cure Do you eat carbs, After all for T1 or T2 or non diabetics carbs as has been the main thrust of this thread are not necessary for the maintenance of life so why should any one eat them.