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Jakjo

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Hi All,

Recently diagnosed with T2, high cholestral and high BP. I took a week off work last week to get my head sorted and on returning today I followed my low carb, low fat diet at work with some exercise at lunchtime.

Breakfast: porridge with fake sugar

Snack mid morning: melon slices

Lunch: Green sald, lean beef, low fat mayo

Snack pisstachio nuts

Towards the end of the day I got really tired, my joints started aching and had blurred vision feeling almost euphoric I almost had a problem driving home. Am I eating enough? The nurse told me that I can't get low Sugar with T2 so what's going on?

My job is big stress and very long hours/ responsibilty. Should I be looking at this too.
I want these periods of time to end. How can I go about this?


Driving home it took everything I had to get there safely

Thanks
Thanks
 
Hi Jacko,

Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but I can't tolerate either porridge or melon :(

Try an omelette for breakfast or some greek yoghurt with a few blueberries instead.

Melon is one of the worst fruits I'm afraid. Maybe you could try some ham instead?

I'm sure Daisy will be along shortly with some more advice, but in the meantime....

DON'T PANIC!
 
that's the thing, I love them both! I have read daisy's, the docs and everywhere else. I am not a healthy eater by nature so it's quite difficult. I guess I have to find my way, get my monitor through. Maybe I am reading too much! the internet can be good and bad :)

Is it possible that things you eat in the morning can affect you so badly in the late afternoon?
 
sorry Jakjo... I've just broken my reading glasses!!

yes, it could well be a cumulative thing. Just try the low carb approach for a couple of days and see if it helps :)

it certainly can't hurt!
 
Hello Jacko.

The knack with all of this is to cut out the wrong foods then replace them with safe ones. That way you blood levels will normalise but you will still be eating enough to do stuff. Also if your blood levels have been running high then the tiredness you are getting is a common problem that many newly diagnosed people have. Your body has got use to all that sugar and is protesting that you've taken it away. The tiredness can take a while to pass but it does and your nurse is right that so long as you are controlling through diet or diet and a drug called Metformin your levels can't go too low. It's not being diabetic that causes low blood levels but powerful diabetic drugs and insulin injections. Trouble is if you give in to it then down the line you really will risk some pretty nasty stuff happening. To be honest based on what you've listed you are not eating enough and most of us (despite what our nurses say) can't tolerate porridge or most cereals.

Anyway here's what I did so I hope this helps. I was diagnosed in December last year and using the advice I found on this site I got my blood sugar levels back to normal within around a couple of months or so and I have also normalised my cholesterol levels and blood pressure as well. I have now lost over three and a half stone in weight too. My doctor is very pleased how I am getting on and has advised me to keep doing what I have been doing since it's obviously working really well. Not a cure as I still have to be very careful what I eat but I feel loads better than I did.

Diet wise its really easy. Just drastically cut down or better cut out all things with plain sugar, so biscuits, cakes, sugar in tea and coffee, pure fruit juices, non diet versions of soft drinks. Next and REALLY IMPORTANTLY try halving starchy foods like rice, pasta, potatoes, bread, cereals and any other flour based products. Replace what's now missing with extra meat, fish, eggs, cheese and especially vegetables. Vegetables that grow above ground are best although most of us find carrots fine. Things like yoghurt are fine as is a small amount of fresh fruit. I find the ones that end in "berry" are the best. If you don't mind artificial sweeteners things like Diet Coke are fine to drink. On the starchy foods that are left swap try brown basmati rice instead of white and brown or tri-colour pasta. The bread that most recommend is actually Bergen soya bread but some do ok with wholemeal as well.

The above diet is close to one you would be one recommended to try by the Swedish Health service. It was introduced in that country last year and the American health service and several other countries health services recommend something very similar for Type 2 diabetics. In the UK the diet guidelines are now over 30 years old and are only gradually being updated. As the UK is lagging behind you have already seen what I and other forum members recommend is different to what your are told is a good diet for you follow.

Did your doctor prescribe a blood meter and strips to test your own levels. Most of us would recommend you do test. It's a bit of a post code lottery and we find the progressive surgeries are pro testing and others anti. I'll warn you the anti ones can sometimes be very vocally anti! It might be worth asking but if you find your surgery is really anti then many of us would recommend getting a meter and strips yourself. If that turns out to be the case then just ask and lots of members can help.

The reason testing is important is you should try and keep your blood sugars below 8ish two hours after eating any meal. Above the 8 value is where the dangers of complications do begin to occur according to diabetic experts. So if you can't test how will you now if what you are eating is keeping you safe? The problem is every diabetic is different so my earlier advice to halve starchy foods is just a rough guide. You may find you need to eat less than half (like me) or that you can eat more than half like others.

As you get into it all and read around the forum you may see people talking about carb counting. If you want to understand what that is just ask. It is a powerful weapon that a diabetic can use to control their condition and one that many of us use to great effect.

Good luck and keep asking questions.

Regards

Steve

PS Here's two good links about what's good to eat.

First is the lady doctor who's low carb / low GI recommendations seem to form the basis of what's recommended in Sweden

http://blogg.passagen.se/dahlqvistannika/?anchor=my_lowcarb_dietary_programe_in

Second is a good beginners guide to low carb regimes that are excellent for reducing blood sugar levels and losing weight.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/lchf
 
To clarify one thing; your nurse is wrong. You can get low blood sugar, just the same as a non diabetic can. You won't get a dangerous hypo which is probably what she meant, but we can all get low blood sugars. If you don't eat enough, and work hard, you run out of energy - low blood sugar. You need to keep your food up, but NOT starchy carbs. You need more veg, fish, poultry etc. also, your body has got used to running with high blood sugar levels. So if you're successfully starting to bring them down, your body will THINK they're going too low. So keep the good food up, and your body will adapt
 
:) sorry you broke your glasses but I have tried next to no carbs other than today. ****, I can't eat my porridge!? OK thanks. This morning I felt great, Iguess I did something wrong between time!

thanks!
 
well SOME lucky people can manage porridge, but they're few and far between! The only sure way to tell is to buy a meter and start testing your levels before and 2 hours after you have eaten something.
 
Yes Grazer is right. Anyone can get low blood sugars diabetic or not. Your nurse means a diabetic medication induced hypo. If you are taking strong diabetic medication or are an insulin injecting diabetic you need to be aware of that risk. The fact you are (I assume) trying to control by diet or just taking Metformin (another common name for the same thing is Glucophage) means you have as much risk of having a real hypo as any non diabetic person has. It's the reason you don't have to report your condition to the DVLA because you pose no extra risk when driving.
 
thanks xyzzy,

I hadn't thought about the fact that the body might go into withdrawal (I have cut out all sugar all of a sudden) Of course!

Thank you for sharing you experience (always good when someone is in the same pond) My surgery didn't pescribe me a monitor and when I asked for a test with the nurse their strips had expired last December so it appears no-one has been tested since. I have ordered a meter from Amazon which is on it's way.

I think I might be realising it's not a quick fix, it takes work for that maybe just as much work as I got myself here in the fist place! :)
 
thanks all, you've been so helpful with your advice! really appreciated!I hope one day I can advise someone else, It's such a scarey situation.
 
Jakjo

One to consider re the porridge.

I like porridge and have had my 2nd highest reading with it 15.2 eeeek

However, following the kind swimmer2's receipe, did manage to have it recently, by making it up with 15g oats and 15 or 20g ground almonds, mix with milk and cook as normal.

My reading after that was 7.4, what I don't know is if it's the reduced oats OR since diagnosis and weight loss my insulin resitance has improved.

The interesting thing now tho' is I don't actually want it. I've gone since Dec 11 eating very proteiny breakie's and got over the 'must have porridge or toast for breakie' But it's nice to know I can if I fancy it.

Bet you can't wait for your meter, then the fun begins lol, I'm a stats woman and one of the benefits of db was being able to do a spreadhseet to monitor my reads and foods. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Sad? you bet :lol:

Mary x
 
lol, not sad Mary, not at all.

I think I will end up the same, except I don't do excel very well :D whatever it takes!
 
MaryJ said:
However, following the kind swimmer2's receipe

Aww, thanks for the nice mention Maryj.

Have been lurking here Jakjo, but the porridge thing is all about how much oats (and to some extent milk) you put in. If you keep the level of oats down (I use 10g now) and use other stuff instead (mainly ground almonds and sometimes coconut flour) it's still porridge. I now have it every single day.

Once you have your meter you'll find all sort of foods to add to your repertoire. I have salads for lunch - but they're not very saladdy. I line a tupperware box with fresh lettuce and then raid the fridge for whatever I can find. Today it was silverskin onions, spring onions, sliced frankfurters, Cheddar & Feta cheese and a bit of red pepper. I don't really like lettuce.

Then I take that, a jelly, Greek yoghurt, peanuts and a couple of baby belles for lunch.. I think I feast compared to what my colleagues eat.

Get your meter and then you'll see .. and don't get despondent, sounds like you're heading in the right direction.
 
Blurred vision has almost gone after 1 month with normal BG. In the last three months i make two good expensive and glasses with no use now. Most useful are the cheep reading glasses (I bought all the numbers).
It is very annoying and i was felling very bad some days.
You have to check your eyes but not baying any new glasses yet
The information's from that link is very useful for that case.

http://www.retinaeyedoctor.com/2010/03/blurry-vision-and-other-symptoms-of-diabetes/
http://www.bva-southtexas.org/Docs/diabetes_vision.htm
 
Can I just say, when you are low carbing you need to replace the carbs with either protein or fat. Dont be afraid of saturated animal fat. Cheese, butter, eggs, animal fat, full fat greek yoguart, olive oil etc. When you have low fat foods, they take out the fat and replace it with carbs, so dont forget to read all labels. :thumbup:
 
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