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Worry over large insulin doses/high resistance

MissyLA33

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Evening,

I will be talking through my concerns with my diabetic clinic at my next appointment however, I'm looking for advice from anyone who has been in a similar position and a feel for whether I need to try and bring forward my next appointment. Happy to be told to chill out and go with the flow too!

I started insulin on 8th June. A follow up appointment was supposed to be two months later but no appointment has come through yet. At my first appointment I was given long acting Semglee starting at 12 units daily and fast acting Novorapid with an initial carb ratio of 1:15.

For the first 2-3 weeks this seemed to be making a big difference and my numbers dropped from high teens to 10-13 range. I generally eat a keto/very low carb diet so wasn't needing any NovoRapid. My morning readings have always been high due to DP so after a call to the nurse we agreed that I would use an insulin sensitivity/correction of 2.8 using NovoRapid to deal with DP. We also agreed to increase my basal by 2 every few days until my readings were coming down to within normal range.

In the last 8-9 weeks since then I've had a few meals out with family and friends plus a holiday where I relaxed my diet and tested my carb ratio. It became apparent very quickly that a ratio of 1:15 wasn't cutting it. I'm now using a ratio of 1:3 and I can imagine that might have to lower even more. This is causing issues alone as although I don't go off plan often I do allow myself something I wouldn't normally eat on special occasions. I went to Wagamama for a birthday recently and sharing a couple of sides and an order of ramen meant a bolus of 56 units, both apps I've tried throws a warning for anything over 50 and refuses to calculate (MySugr and Diabetes.M) I also find injecting this amount is often more uncomfortable and more likely to dribble back out of the injection site, no matter how long I leave the needle in.

It become clear that an insulin sensitivity/correction of 2.8 wasn't enough, I've lowered that all the way down to 0.7 currently. My basal is also still not correct as I'm constantly having to correct with bolus (26 units of NovoRapid in corrections today, for example). My basal is currently at 48 units and still increasing every few days. Achieving a blood sugar of under 7 is rare. I generally hover around 11-12 in the morning and 8-9 the rest of the day.

I know we are all different and will all have different insulin needs and sensitivities. I also know I need to remind myself I'm only 3 months in. I'm just massively frustrated and don't know if I should be concerned with how quickly I've had to increase and how little difference it seems to be having on my numbers. I appreciate I also need to get my basal right as my bolus will likely change. I can speak to my nurse by phone, however after the first few times of calling and getting the same answer (increase basal a couple, decrease carb ratio a bit, see what happens) I started adapting my doses on my own. I'm comfortable doing so and very much want to have control as I've always done. I also haven't had a single hypo to worry about because my numbers just aren't low enough yet. However now I'm reaching almost 50 units should I be discussing this with her again and asking for a more urgent appointment? Is there anything specifically I need to raise as a concern? Is this an unusual progression or do I need to relax?

Apologies for the ramble!
 
Evening,

I will be talking through my concerns with my diabetic clinic at my next appointment however, I'm looking for advice from anyone who has been in a similar position and a feel for whether I need to try and bring forward my next appointment. Happy to be told to chill out and go with the flow too!

I started insulin on 8th June. A follow up appointment was supposed to be two months later but no appointment has come through yet. At my first appointment I was given long acting Semglee starting at 12 units daily and fast acting Novorapid with an initial carb ratio of 1:15.

For the first 2-3 weeks this seemed to be making a big difference and my numbers dropped from high teens to 10-13 range. I generally eat a keto/very low carb diet so wasn't needing any NovoRapid. My morning readings have always been high due to DP so after a call to the nurse we agreed that I would use an insulin sensitivity/correction of 2.8 using NovoRapid to deal with DP. We also agreed to increase my basal by 2 every few days until my readings were coming down to within normal range.

In the last 8-9 weeks since then I've had a few meals out with family and friends plus a holiday where I relaxed my diet and tested my carb ratio. It became apparent very quickly that a ratio of 1:15 wasn't cutting it. I'm now using a ratio of 1:3 and I can imagine that might have to lower even more. This is causing issues alone as although I don't go off plan often I do allow myself something I wouldn't normally eat on special occasions. I went to Wagamama for a birthday recently and sharing a couple of sides and an order of ramen meant a bolus of 56 units, both apps I've tried throws a warning for anything over 50 and refuses to calculate (MySugr and Diabetes.M) I also find injecting this amount is often more uncomfortable and more likely to dribble back out of the injection site, no matter how long I leave the needle in.

It become clear that an insulin sensitivity/correction of 2.8 wasn't enough, I've lowered that all the way down to 0.7 currently. My basal is also still not correct as I'm constantly having to correct with bolus (26 units of NovoRapid in corrections today, for example). My basal is currently at 48 units and still increasing every few days. Achieving a blood sugar of under 7 is rare. I generally hover around 11-12 in the morning and 8-9 the rest of the day.

I know we are all different and will all have different insulin needs and sensitivities. I also know I need to remind myself I'm only 3 months in. I'm just massively frustrated and don't know if I should be concerned with how quickly I've had to increase and how little difference it seems to be having on my numbers. I appreciate I also need to get my basal right as my bolus will likely change. I can speak to my nurse by phone, however after the first few times of calling and getting the same answer (increase basal a couple, decrease carb ratio a bit, see what happens) I started adapting my doses on my own. I'm comfortable doing so and very much want to have control as I've always done. I also haven't had a single hypo to worry about because my numbers just aren't low enough yet. However now I'm reaching almost 50 units should I be discussing this with her again and asking for a more urgent appointment? Is there anything specifically I need to raise as a concern? Is this an unusual progression or do I need to relax?

Apologies for the ramble!

Hi,

You do need to liaise with your HCPs on this.

Speaking from a type one perspective. In order to get the basal dose correct. Or reasonably close.
You would need to do a basal check? Which includes fasting with no Novorapid on board to undertand how the basal performs for you. Then work out what is happening with your insulin to carb ratio.
I can't help with Semglee working profile as I use another basal. Also different metabolism & possibly injection sites too?

This link may help explain. https://www.mysugr.com/en/blog/basal-rate-testing/

To be fair, from what you say. In the last 3 months. The numbers don't seem to bad.. Don't kick yourself for rising as high as 8.

But please talk with your nurse first.
 
A follow up appointment was supposed to be two months later but no appointment has come through yet.
Well, that's one reason to push for an appointment soon.

I also find injecting this amount is often more uncomfortable and more likely to dribble back out of the injection site, no matter how long I leave the needle in.
Another reason to talk to your clinic. They make U300 and U500 insulin specifically for T2s who may need unusually large doses.

I also think that you need an appointment if only because you're worried enough to make this thread. Unfortunately as one of the T1 crowd I'm not really in a position to comment on your insulin requirements (plus we're not allowed to advise on dosages on the forums anyway) but in your position I would at the very least be phoning the nurse for a check in. Though she may or may not tell you anything new, you haven't got anything to lose and peace of mind is important. Insulin can be a scary medication and getting advice from a medical professional can do no harm.

Good luck.
 
You can split a bolus into two or more injections. Be aware that this may mean the insulin works a bit faster or a bit more efficiently than one large injected dose.
Concentrate on getting your basal right. Don't worry about how much, everybody is different. If it works for you, it's the right dose. A basal of 50u is not the highest I've seen.
 
Hi, I was recently switched from Humalin I to Levemir, I use a far lower dose of the Levemir, Maybe some insulins work better for some than others? I have no idea but my dose which is two injections a day rather than one seems to require less juice, worth an ask maybe? I was put on insulin a couple of years or so ago and left to it, never discussed it, just kept upping it myself, eventually found out my nurse had been sacked and I had fallen through the cracks. I hope you find a level that works for you, best of luck.
 
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