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Would you eat this?

Forget the curry, I'm more interested about the beers. The more of those I can have the better
I can’t drink alcohol anymore, if I have half a glass of wine or beer I feel quite unwell :rolleyes: I was staying at friends and to be sociable had half and half of wine with sparkling water. I left 2/3rds as even that made me feel iffy, it’s a strange feeling and can’t quite describe it.
 
I can only comment for me, but depending on the quantities of carb based items in the curry itself (nothing jumps out as a big offender from what you posted), generally I'd always look at the rice first. Unfortunately, rice seems to be like dynamite for my blood glucose levels, it's one of the highest impact solid foods from my testing to date. As @plantae said, cauliflower rice isn't quite the same, but mix it all in with the curry and it works for me.

Tesco (other supermarkets are available :) ) do a pouch of Fullgreen cauliflower rice if you want convenience. 4g of carbs per 100g versus 27g for basmati. On offer at the moment too, £1.50 a pouch. It's not as good as homemade, but very good for convenience and has way better shelf life too.
Yeah you might be right there. I just looked at my tin of tomatoes they're 9g of carbs (4.5 sugars) per 100g. I doubt I'd eat 100g (they're in a 250g tin though, so maybe I could). That said, it's not a huge amount
 
Tesco (other supermarkets are available :) ) do a pouch of Fullgreen cauliflower rice if you want convenience. 4g of carbs per 100g versus 27g for basmati. On offer at the moment too, £1.50 a pouch. It's not as good as homemade, but very good for convenience and has way better shelf life too.
I've bought their frozen pouches of cauliflower rice previously, but I'll look into the FullGreen pouches. I've got some Konjac rice too, but I've tried Konjac noodles, and they weren't great!
 
I can’t drink alcohol anymore, if I have half a glass of wine or beer I feel quite unwell :rolleyes: I was staying at friends and to be sociable had half and half of wine with sparkling water. I left 2/3rds as even that made me feel iffy, it’s a strange feeling and can’t quite describe it.
Beer makes me feel sick as well, probably because I drop so low. But I do it anyway. I am a naughty boy
 
I've bought their frozen pouches of cauliflower rice previously, but I'll look into the FullGreen pouches. I've got some Konjac rice too, but I've tried Konjac noodles, and they weren't great!
Yeah I've tried the konjac stuff too. Tried everything over a few attempts, all the recommendations on making it less offensive, but none work in my opinion. For me, it's slimy, it stinks and it's just a terrible product all round. It brings sadness to any meal it touches!
 
Where is this "keep spike to +2" coming from? I can't find any evidence anywhere that says that except on this forum and I've asked before but nobody can give me an answer

@IanBish yes I'd eat it. I don't see a problem there personally. Is there something specifically you're concerned about?
Other places do refer to the importance of minimising spikes after meals. Such as this one:


I’m currently doing a Prevent Diabetes cause run by the NHS, they don’t mention numbers but to stress the importance of minimising spikes. Saying it’s far better to have a more balanced line to your BG throughout the day than having high spikes that can likely lead to larger dips after, neither of which are good for overall health and wellbeing.
 
Other places do refer to the importance of minimising spikes after meals. Such as this one:


I’m currently doing a Prevent Diabetes cause run by the NHS, they don’t mention numbers but to stress the importance of minimising spikes. Saying it’s far better to have a more balanced line to your BG throughout the day than having high spikes that can likely lead to larger dips after, neither of which are good for overall health and wellbeing.
From my understanding spikes are more damaging than having a more balanced BG (even if it's high). So yeah I agree with that
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to cause an "argument". It was home made chicken curry, made with half a can of tinned tomatoes, and eaten with about a third of a pouch of basmati rice. I'm new to CGMs, but that spike did seem high to me. Previously I'd only been testing before and 2 hours after meals, so wouldn't have actually noticed the spike, as such.

I'll try the curry again, with cauliflower rice instead of basmati, or just naked (the curry, not me!), and see what reading I get.

Thanks for the replies.
Whether consumed clothed or unclothed (it's a free country, no?), cauliflower rice is likely to be kinder to your system! :-)
 
@IanBish if you didn’t have your Libre, you wouldn’t have even noticed the blip. A finger prick test before and 2 hours after in combination with your Libre readings might be a fun experiment. Word of warning: it does require you to exactly replicate the meal, beers and all ;)
 
Where is this "keep spike to +2" coming from? I can't find any evidence anywhere that says that except on this forum and I've asked before but nobody can give me an answer

@IanBish yes I'd eat it. I don't see a problem there personally. Is there something specifically you're concerned about?
A spike of +3 or +4 is worrying?
It comes from the post prandial levels in non diabetics. Typically at that 2hr reading a non diabetic is back or close to at pre prandial levels. So type 2 tend to try and mimic that response to achieve normal health, just we do it by adjusting the food rather than our bodies doing it for themselves regardless. Kind of how you can eat carbs but need to do the insulin bit exogenously. Cgm in type 2 is a newish thing and still not widespread.

The spike acceptability depends where you started from (your other example shows a one way hypo correction not a spike imo), how high it goes and how long it lasts. If it’s back down in 2 hrs I wouldn’t worry about single figure numbers personally if the pre and post were in the 4-6 range for example. I’ve noticed type 1 have a broader range of what’s acceptable than most type 2 seeking or maintaining remission. Again the differences in our conditions and management techniques would account for that.

I think there’s been some misunderstanding about the two hour point rather the highest point being no more than 2mmol higher. In non diabetics they often “spike” higher initially. It’s just they come back down quickly and sufficiently enough and we don’t
 
Hi, I won't say what I ate about 4:30pm, but would you eat it?
Depends on how much I liked it.
It was home made chicken curry, made with half a can of tinned tomatoes, and eaten with about a third of a pouch of basmati rice.
In this case I likely wouldn't, I don't care much for rice so I'd just have the curry, possibly with some extra veggies thrown in. (And the beer. I like beer a lot more than I like rice. :hilarious: )
 
It comes from the post prandial levels in non diabetics. Typically at that 2hr reading a non diabetic is back or close to at pre prandial levels. So type 2 tend to try and mimic that response to achieve normal health, just we do it by adjusting the food rather than our bodies doing it for themselves regardless. Kind of how you can eat carbs but need to do the insulin bit exogenously. Cgm in type 2 is a newish thing and still not widespread.

The spike acceptability depends where you started from (your other example shows a one way hypo correction not a spike imo), how high it goes and how long it lasts. If it’s back down in 2 hrs I wouldn’t worry about single figure numbers personally if the pre and post were in the 4-6 range for example. I’ve noticed type 1 have a broader range of what’s acceptable than most type 2 seeking or maintaining remission. Again the differences in our conditions and management techniques would account for that.

I think there’s been some misunderstanding about the two hour point rather the highest point being no more than 2mmol higher. In non diabetics they often “spike” higher initially. It’s just they come back down quickly and sufficiently enough and we don’t
Thank you for explaining. I've been trying for a long time now to work out where the +2 comes from and have had no luck at all. Let's forget about the hypo correction comment, I'm not even sure why I brought that up, it's not generally an issue for T2s as far as I know. But what I'm saying is a rise of +2 mmol/L within 30-60 minutes after a meal seems like nothing. What are we meant to eat? Water? Do T2s really only rise 2 mmol/L after a meal? I find that hard to believe, although I guess it's possible on a very carb restricted diet. Even then that doesn't make sense because protein and fat raise BGL as well, it just takes longer. Are we talking about 2 hours post prandial? If so then I agree
 
Well there's the problem
if you monitor yourself at home – a normal target is 4-7mmol/l before eating and under 8.5-9mmol/l two hours after a meal
That's a rise of between 4.5 and 2 mmol/L 2 hours after eating. Not a total rise of 2 mmol/L. If 2 hours after eating a rise of 4.5 is acceptable (as that link says) then I can assure you that your BSL rose a lot more than 4.5 between those 2 hours
 
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Well there's the problem

That's a rise of between 4.5 and 2 mmol/L 2 hours after eating. Not a total rise of 2 mmol/L
As I mentioned. “Close to it.” If one happens to be 7mmol (pre meal target range.) & peaks 2 hours at 9???

You could give it a “gold star.”

Also, please be mindful we ain’t cross posting… ;)
 
Well there's the problem
That's not the normal target, that's the general target for diabetics, according to the article, not non diabetics.
The article also says: "The aim of diabetes treatment is to keep blood sugar levels as near to normal as possible."
Non diabetics are generally not above 8, two hours after a meal.
 
That's not the normal target, that's the general target for diabetics, according to the article, not non diabetics.
The article also says: "The aim of diabetes treatment is to keep blood sugar levels as near to normal as possible."
Non diabetics are generally not above 8, two hours after a meal.
The graph shows that they were about 8.0 2 hours after their meal unless I'm blind (which I could be). The OP is not a non-diabetic
 
For me, a spike over 7mmols is not recommended! But it's my body reacting to something I am intolerant to.
But I won't get into that!
Having stable BG levels in and around your pre meal reading levels, is the best way to help control. Quick spikes and rapid drops cause the symptoms associated with T2.
The hypo correction, otherwise known as the rebound effect, is not recommended in my opinion, or for my condition because it causes another reaction and another high spike, which is quick up down, like a rollercoaster, which nobody should be having.
Gently nudging your BG levels up back into normal or just above is more logical.
When you are in the process of discovering the foods you should eat, the 2mmols from your pre meal reading @ 2 hours is practical as a baseline for portion size and decision making.
The food diary approach is an example of tracking your readings and as you improve your BG levels, you will see trends that will help with future decisions on your dietary requirements.
I will add that in my opinion, knowing what your body can tolerate, having a tailored balanced diet, by you, for you, makes more sense than any other theory or recommendations by dietician, doctors, or by someone following a fad diet.
And no, I wouldn't eat that!
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to cause an "argument". It was home made chicken curry, made with half a can of tinned tomatoes, and eaten with about a third of a pouch of basmati rice. I'm new to CGMs, but that spike did seem high to me. Previously I'd only been testing before and 2 hours after meals, so wouldn't have actually noticed the spike, as such.

I'll try the curry again, with cauliflower rice instead of basmati, or just naked (the curry, not me!), and see what reading I get.

Thanks for the replies.
The rice is very likely responsible for the spike. To be honest I think everybody has different ideas as to what a "spike" is and also different ideas as to how it should be reacted to. For me personally I am happy to stay about 6.5 with some foods possibly raising my levels to 9 or 10. It's not the number I worry about, but how quickly it goes back to the original level. I wouldn't eat anything that shot up my BG quickly, but more to the point if my number stayed up in that bracket for more than an hour I'd not eat it again. Anybody that just tests randomly, can't possibly have a true figure to base food on.
 
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