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Nicola-M

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You are the best people to help with this, so please, please give me your feedback.

The following was an email just sent to another diabetic organisation, but we also need advice and feedback from the people affected by this discrimination, like my niece:

My niece is Type 1 diabetic, and it has come to my attention that, despite the vast and rising numbers of diabetics in this country (as well as people dieting for aesthetic and other health reasons) they are extremely poorly catered for in supermarkets, cafes and restaurants.

Because of this, we have conducted some initial investigations into the availability of diabetic products on sale in various establishments, but, it seems, only certain specialist health food shops sell quality diabetic food options with any sort of regularity - a fact I find extremely alarming and discriminatory, especially considering the percentage of the population involved. As we live in Surrey (hardly the back of beyond) this is even more worrying.

Although we are at the very beginning of our research, we have already had useful data from a nationwide restaurant chain that very recently introduced a low-sugar (not sugar free, though) option to their puddings menu, and our local branch confirmed that they sell out of that desert very quickly and cannot keep up with demand (indeed, it was my niece's bitter disappointment at missing out on this option and having to watch the rest of us tuck guiltily into fruit crumble and custard that led to this investigation).

My local supermarkets carry no or poor products for diabetics - although gluten-free seems to be well catered for, surprisingly (given the numbers genuinely affected by wheat and gluten allergies), and those that do carry diabetic chocolate, biscuits and ice-cream, for example, stock products with unhealthy but commercially cheap versions of sweeteners.

With the advent of Stevia (the natural, organic version, not the commercially adulterated and possibly carcinogenic product), we see a real opportunity to supply diabetics with options that the rest of the population take for granted when they shop or eat out. We are investigating ways to get better products for diabetics into the high street and supermarkets at a more competitive cost, and looking into the possibility of producing a range of diabetic desserts for the catering industry (ones that do not substitute sugar for an equally unhealthy product).

This is, obviously, a huge undertaking. What we would seek from you is feedback from your members on their experiences of products currently available - both good and bad - in shops and restaurants nationwide and, if we can get this underway, also provide support and pressure when dealing with reluctant supermarkets, high street shops and restaurant chains. We anticipate reluctance to stock more expensive but healthier, natural Stevia products, for example, in favour of cheaper options with bigger profit margins. This could require an educational campaign to explain why the healthiest option should take precedence over the cheaper option, for example, and members could add their collective muscle to push this information onto the powers that be.

As you are at the forefront of diabetic news in the UK, perhaps you are aware of a similar movement, or groups with a similar interest that may wish to liaise with us? Any ideas would be welcome at this stage, to be honest, as this is a mammoth task and we are very much at the grass roots stage. However, I feel that this is a disgraceful situation that needs to be urgently addressed, and was even more upset by my niece's apathetic acceptance of the situation as her lot in life, so I feel very passionately about it.

Please know that your assistance, advice and potential involvement in this matter would be very much appreciated.


I am awaiting feedback from the organisation I sent the email to, but would like to know your experiences of trying to buy diabetic products and eating out in general. Also, as we are soon going to be putting together some recipes for puddings, what types of pudding would you most like to see offered in restaurants and cafes?

I'd also like to hear from you guys about how much you know about Stevia - the good and the bad versions - and if you would be happy to pay a small amount more for a product (we're talking pence, here) if it contained natural, organic Stevia over a cheap commercial and potentially dangerous sugar substitute? And do you feel it's about time you had the same rights as others when going out to eat, and should be able to have at least one alternative to the usual high-sugar puddings?

I'm focusing on puddings and confectionary, right now - but if their is anything else you think should be addressed at the same time (fast food options, for example), then I would really like to hear about it, too.

Thank you so much for you help and suggestions in this matter.
 

Rockape671

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Hi Nicola
I don't really know what you mean by diabetics not being catered for. As a type 1, I can freely eat anything I wish to as long as I take the correct amount of insulin to deal with it. A lot of diabetics restrict their carbohydrate intake and there is a shortage of low carb items in the main stream supermarkets, so if that is what you mean by diabetic products, then I would certainly support you in that. Most marketed 'diabetic products' are not very healthy and we are advised to avoid them. Good luck
 

noblehead

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Hi Nicola and welcome :)

Personally I wouldn't touch anything labelled 'Suitable for Diabetics' or anything thing else marketed at people living with diabetes, in any large supermarket chain you can always find something suitable to eat no matter what your dietary preference is.

Hope you get some feedback on your email!
 

phoenix

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I wonder if , far from being apathetic your niece has actually realised that she doesn't really want a sugar sweetened sweet.
I missed Christmas with the family first year after diagnosis because I would have been upset.
Now it's more often other people who are upset for me but when they make a fuss or big statements about feeling guilty then it can affect how you feel.
I've found that when you don't eat a lot of sweet things you tend to lose your taste for them and when you try them they taste very sickly. I do still occasionally eat small desserts but I live in France and they don't seem as sweet as in the UK. As a T1, I take insulin which I adjust but I now realise that I would no longer like many of the desserts I see in UK restaurants.

For people with diabetes, it is important to realise that it is not just the sugar that has to be take into consideration so for example a torte made from almond or hazelnuts with a little real sugar would have fewer carbohydrates than one made with flour and sweeter. I analysed a typical crumble topping and found that the carbs in the flour were 1.3x the amount of the carbs in the sugar.
Some of us also use the glycaemic index, a crumble topping made from white flour would probably have a very much higher GI if made from white flour and sweetener compared with one made with say : oatmeal, some ground nuts, whole grains plus a little real sugar or honey ( and of course you could use stevia though personally I don't like the taste )

My preferred desert might be some berries and plain yoghurt or cream with no sweetener at all.
What I think would help many people with diabetes is the availability of clear nutritional information in restaurants

You might like to read the DUK statement on diabetic foods.
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_us/Wha ... tic-foods/
 

carty

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As has been mentioned type 1 can cover what they eat out and type 2 can choose things from a restraunt which are ok for them for example I would choose maybe a roast with extra veg and no potato .Salmon with salad or prawn salad I had a lovely meal in a fairly upmarket hotel Coley with lemongrass and stir fried veg it was served with rice but I had extra veg instead with no problems As for supermarket shopping lots of veg and fresh meat or fish most sell ground almonds to make into flour .The only problem may be sweets but we can eat yoghurt and berries and cream .On a trip to Ireland the sweets were danish pastries or trifle I got 2 trifles and ate the cream off them both and gave my husband the rest :mrgreen:
CAROL
 

Etty

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I think it would be better if supermarket low-sugar (and low sweetener) products were made for the mainstream shopper and not specially for diabetics. I imagine they would be very popular, and cheaper without the "diabetic" label- look how expensive "gluten free" foods are.
As for sweeteners, that story is still evolving. Stevia, which has an aftertaste many don't like, may be followed by xylitol, and erythritol.
I agree that nutritional labelling in restaurants would be helpful. For example, if your niece had been able to examine the nutrition label for the crumble custard, she might have been able to have that as a pudding, topped with a few bits of the fruit.
 

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Hiya!

Unlike Phoenix, I have unfortunately never lost my taste for sweet food. Howver, I am a low-carb Type 1 (or LADA to be precise) and I never give in to sweets and puddings when eating out. I choose a meat and veg or salad option and don't bother with the dessert. I would love it if strawberries and cream were readily available, but such is life - pubs and restaraunts will only cater for the majority and the majority order chocolate fudge cake rather than strawberries and cream. I use insulin to manage my condition, but I NEVER take the view that I can eat what I like and jab for it - in my opinion, that way madness lies.

Smidge
 
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Equality for all I say, and I would buy a product ready made, which I would enjoy if I could .
One health food shop I went to a few weeks ago were making and selling cake for anyone who wanted sugar Free, it was a nice treat and very healthy as well...
 

Nicola-M

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Thank you so much for your input so far.

I really appreciate the point about labelling things as 'suitable for diabetics'. I agree, and think that, given the recent scientifically-backed finding that sugar is far worse for you than fat (and, actually, people lose weight on a low carb high fat diet), dieters and people looking for a healthier option will also appreciate low carb alternatives. At the moment the emphasis tends to be on low fat, or the inclusion of unhealthy sugar substitutes.

My niece is apathetic because she's of the opinion that there is something wrong with her so her needs don't count. It's a cross she has to bear because she sees it as her fault. But she most definitely does have a sweet tooth. A few years back she went through the whole eat what I like and just inject myself to compensate, and it made her very ill in the end. She's young and at uni and just wants to be like her mates. True, she has to accept that she does have a problem that she has to deal with on a daily basis, but life could be made a lot easier for her, and I don't see why she has to miss out on treats when it is perfectly possible, with a bit of good will and education, for businesses to provide for her and the many people like her.

I also appreciate that there are other considerations (not just sugar), like white flour, for example, to be taken into account, and the desserts would need to have the GI shown with it - again, not an impossible task if KFC can put the calorie content of their meals on their menus.

I was a vegetarian 30 years ago - and that was hard. Nowadays it's much easier to get quality vegetarian foods, even vegan, so if such great strides have been made in this area of food production and availability, then people requiring low GI foods should and could be catered for, too.

I'm interested in Stevia as a sugar replacement because, in its unadulterated form, it's actually good for you in and of itself. TBH, I've never found a sugar substitute that hasn't had an after-taste, and it's not worth it to me if something is sugar-free but carcinogenic. Also, I scoffed a large bar of my niece's Stevia choccy in one go (I, too, have a very sweet tooth), and the taste was excellent and i had non of the problems associated with diabetic chocolate, which my niece assures me causes severe stomach problems if you have more than a couple of pieces.

The one downside of the Stevia chocolate was the cost - but it was only sold in a small, independent and up-market health food shop where everything was more expensive than, say, Holland & Barrett. Our aim is to try and make such products more readily available - and, taking on board your comments, maybe approaching supermarkets and other outlets and eateries with the emphasis on low sugar/GI rather than lumping things with the 'diabetic' label. It's not just for diabetics, anyway. Dieters would probably be the biggest demographic for this sort of thing - I'm amazed big business hasn't got its head around this yet, but it still seems to be stuck in the low fat trend, in the main.

This has been a great response. Please keep your ideas and comments coming. We really appreciate it.
 

izzzi

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Hi, Nicola-M.

I would think you would be better to have your ideas reversed in the view for Diabetics to have better knowledge of all fresh world foods, and avoid most packaged foods and food gimmick restaurants like KFC.
All these Supermarkets etc; have a responsibility to their shareholders through financial profit from customers.

Your niece is not stupid and nothing wrong with having a sweet tooth that she now has it under control.However I would be scared to recommend any kind of sugar replacement to her in this current climate of continuous research in our health industry.(apart from what is natural)
My main point is veggy, vegan and "free from" are a personnel choice and not a medical condition like diabetes.

Surely it would be dangerous to recommend a single or any packaged food to suit all individual diabetes type 1, type 2 and other types.

I agree with what you say, but thought I should through in a negative view.

Roy. :)
 

CollieBoy

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As a T2 on diet and exercise, I too would look with suspicion on a label of "suitable for diabetics". Here's an idea : compulsory labeling of high carb foods as "WARNING, UNSUITABLE FOR DIABETICS" The resulting rush to have this label removed would ensure that carb content would be driven down :clap:
As I am on D&E I have none of the drug mediated props that T1s and T2s on meds have (thank goodness for that) so my main method of control is my diet and by using supermarkets, butchers & greengrocers i can maintain a tasty and healthier diet than I had pre-D Perhaps it is down to using proper butchers & greengrocers
 

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Jings, crivvens, help ma boab!!
Rockape, are you sure that you aren't really "Oor Wullie" :lol:
 

Nicola-M

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Thanks Roy. I think I'm getting the impression that the most important thing for people wanting access to puddings and sweet treats is to have clear indications of the sugar content and GI rating. Would that be fair to say? That way, for example, a high fat product would offset a certain amount of sugar, say, when it comes to lowering the GI, in the same way that a whole piece of fruit has a lower GI than the juice of the same fruit? The sugar content could be important to people dieting, but the GI would be of more use to the diabetic?

I appreciate some of you prefer to go down the fresh, wholesome and homemade food route, but there has to be an option for those who want to go out to restaurants with their friends and enjoy a pudding like their friends? Obviously, i'm basing this on my niece's point of view, but it's great to get a wide variety of opinions.
 

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Rockape671 said:
Apologies Fergus, Ah removed ma post as I didnae want tae waste ma breath. Noo, whaur's ma bucket?
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Engineer88

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I think your neice would be better off doing a DAFNE course and eating what she likes - I peronlally think 'Diabetic' products should be banned in all forms. I dont think it should be compared to Gluten free thats not a choice (im coeliac and diabetic) where as eatting the diabetic **** is most definatly a silly choice. Tastes awful and does worse to you innards!
 

Nicola-M

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Thanks Engineer88, I am going to mention that course to her.

There seems to be quite a difference in opinion on this that I hadn't expected. The comparison to gluten free products, BTW, was only made in so far as supermarkets have bowed to public pressure and now stock them. Personally, I think clear, easy to understand food labelling should be made a priority, but the food industry is far too powerful for us to see that happen any time soon.

I appreciate the advice and opinions. Thank you.
 

Denisa

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I am managing T2 diabetes through diet and exercise. One of the first thing my diabetic nurse told me during the first session was that I do not need DIABETIC products. My diet has changed rapidly. I still crave sweet things occasionally (it's been 6 weeks only) but I usually have fruit and yogurt. I never had a problem so far when eating out. And I wouldn't buy ready made diabetic cake. I would make low carb & sugar free one myself to stay in control of what I eat but I am a lucky one because I love cooking and baking.
 
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Kat100

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I would love to buy homemade low carb and low or no sugar cake or treats just sometimes.....yes I really would