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BRITGRAN

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I am type 2 and have learned an awful lot on this forum, I understand that different foods affect different people in different ways, I for one am best with very low carbs, my DN suggested I should eat porridge for breakfast the first time I did my blood sugar was 15 after 2 hours so I know I cannot eat carbs, my husband had a blood test yesterday morning, he has several issues, COPD , blocked artery in his leg, he takes blood thinning tablets and statins, he is 69 yrs old......after yesterday mornings blood test...not fasting or a glucose test he was called to the surgery by the DN today and told he is diabetic and was immediatley put on one 500g Metformin a day she said he would build up to 3 a day, she told him he could eat fruit ( he eats one banana and one pear daily ) she also told him he can eat wholemeal bread and should eat cereal for breakfast and basically stick to the eatwell plate etc and no need to test his blood, oh by the way his blood sugar reading yesterday morning was 7!!!! am I alone in wondering if they are over reacting and maybe he should have been given the chance to correct this diagnosis with diet to begin with, or am I the one over reacting
 

Antje77

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Well, with the diet they suggest there's little chance to correct this diagnosis. So if he plans to follow their dietary advice maybe best take the tablets as well...
Why not use the meter to find out what he should and shouldn't eat? Either with or without tablets. If he should decide to take tablets, he can always stop them if it proves it isn't needed, and should he decide to try without tablets first, he could always start them when needed.
Did they test his hba1c?
Good luck to the both of you!
 

BRITGRAN

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Well, with the diet they suggest there's little chance to correct this diagnosis. So if he plans to follow their dietary advice maybe best take the tablets as well...
Why not use the meter to find out what he should and shouldn't eat? Either with or without tablets. If he should decide to take tablets, he can always stop them if it proves it isn't needed, and should he decide to try without tablets first, he could always start them when needed.
Did they test his hba1c?
Good luck to the both of you!
I'm not sure if it was hba1c, and he can't really remember if she said, he thinks it might have been, I tested his blood before dinner it was 5.8 I'll check again at 8.30, I don't really want to go against medical advice but maybe we can see for a few days what happens, at this stage I'm not convinced her diet suggestions are correct, but she should know better than me
 

Mike d

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If he's in fact a T2, those diet suggestions are not good. The "don't need to test" is simply wrong so ignore it :)
 

bulkbiker

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I'm not sure if it was hba1c, and he can't really remember if she said, he thinks it might have been, I tested his blood before dinner it was 5.8 I'll check again at 8.30, I don't really want to go against medical advice but maybe we can see for a few days what happens, at this stage I'm not convinced her diet suggestions are correct, but she should know better than me
Well if you are both Type 2 then you know you should be eating the same things.. if it has worked well for you then there;'s no reason why it shouldn't be equally good for your husband too.
You've been around here so you know that some nurses talk absolute rubbish about Type 2.. sounds like this one is one of those!
 

Resurgam

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As a diabetic can't deal with carbohydrates - the nurse's advice is frankly dangerous.
Banana, pear, bread and cereals - carbs carbs carbs and - oh yes - more carbs.
I agree that she should know more than most people about her specialist subject - but first impressions aren't all that convincing.
 

Antje77

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Tagging @daisy1 for a reminder of how diabetes works. And I get how you wouldn't want to go against medical advice, but why not use the meter to test different foods? Stay well, both of you!
 

daisy1

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@BRITGRAM

Hello Britgram and welcome to the Forum :) Here is the Basic Information we give to new members and I hope you will find it useful. Ask questions when you need to and someone will help.

BASIC INFORMATION FOR NEWLY DIAGNOSED DIABETICS

Diabetes is the general term to describe people who have blood that is sweeter than normal. A number of different types of diabetes exist.

A diagnosis of diabetes tends to be a big shock for most of us. It’s far from the end of the world though and on this forum you'll find well over 235,000 people who are demonstrating this.

On the forum we have found that with the number of new people being diagnosed with diabetes each day, sometimes the NHS is not being able to give all the advice it would perhaps like to deliver - particularly with regards to people with type 2 diabetes.

The role of carbohydrate

Carbohydrates are a factor in diabetes because they ultimately break down into sugar (glucose) within our blood. We then need enough insulin to either convert the blood sugar into energy for our body, or to store the blood sugar as body fat.

If the amount of carbohydrate we take in is more than our body’s own (or injected) insulin can cope with, then our blood sugar will rise.

The bad news

Research indicates that raised blood sugar levels over a period of years can lead to organ damage, commonly referred to as diabetic complications.

The good news

People on the forum here have shown that there is plenty of opportunity to keep blood sugar levels from going too high. It’s a daily task but it’s within our reach and it’s well worth the effort.

Controlling your carbs

The info below is primarily aimed at people with type 2 diabetes, however, it may also be of benefit for other types of diabetes as well.

There are two approaches to controlling your carbs:
  • Reduce your carbohydrate intake
  • Choose ‘better’ carbohydrates
Reduce your carbohydrates

A large number of people on this forum have chosen to reduce the amount of carbohydrates they eat as they have found this to be an effective way of improving (lowering) their blood sugar levels.

The carbohydrates which tend to have the most pronounced effect on blood sugar levels tend to be starchy carbohydrates such as rice, pasta, bread, potatoes and similar root vegetables, flour based products (pastry, cakes, biscuits, battered food etc) and certain fruits.

Choosing better carbohydrates

The low glycaemic index diet is often favoured by healthcare professionals but some people with diabetes find that low GI does not help their blood sugar enough and may wish to cut out these foods altogether.

Read more on carbohydrates and diabetes.

Over 145,000 people have taken part in the Low Carb Program - a 10 week structured education course that is helping people lose weight and reduce medication dependency by explaining the science behind carbs, insulin and GI.

Eating what works for you

Different people respond differently to different types of food. What works for one person may not work so well for another. The best way to see which foods are working for you is to test your blood sugar with a glucose meter.

To be able to see what effect a particular type of food or meal has on your blood sugar is to do a test before the meal and then test after the meal. A test 2 hours after the meal gives a good idea of how your body has reacted to the meal.

The blood sugar ranges recommended by NICE are as follows:

Blood glucose ranges for type 2 diabetes
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 8.5 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (adults)
  • Before meals: 4 to 7 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 9 mmol/l
Blood glucose ranges for type 1 diabetes (children)
  • Before meals: 4 to 8 mmol/l
  • 2 hours after meals: under 10 mmol/l
However, those that are able to, may wish to keep blood sugar levels below the NICE after meal targets.

Access to blood glucose test strips

The NICE guidelines suggest that people newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes should be offered:
  • structured education to every person and/or their carer at and around the time of diagnosis, with annual reinforcement and review
  • self-monitoring of plasma glucose to a person newly diagnosed with type 2 diabetes only as an integral part of his or her self-management education

Therefore both structured education and self-monitoring of blood glucose should be offered to people with type 2 diabetes. Read more on getting access to blood glucose testing supplies.

You may also be interested to read questions to ask at a diabetic clinic.

Note: This post has been edited from Sue/Ken's post to include up to date information.
Take part in Diabetes.co.uk digital education programs and improve your understanding. Most of these are free.

  • Low Carb Program - it's made front-page news of the New Scientist and The Times. Developed with 20,000 people with type 2 diabetes; 96% of people who take part recommend it... find out why

  • Hypo Program - improve your understanding of hypos. There's a version for people with diabetes, parents/guardians of children with type 1, children with type 1 diabetes, teachers and HCPs.
 

Daphne917

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@BRITGRAN why not give him the same food as you are eating and see if that makes a diffference - however you may find that what is ok for you is not for him and vice versa. The eatwell plate contains too many carbs for most diabetics and bananas are one of the most carby fruits. If tolerated, rather than Wholemeal, try one of the low carb breads - I have Tesco high protein or Warburton’s low carb and I find one slice, loaded with filling is enough. However you seem to be in control of your own diabetes so hopefully you can help him control his.